CO - Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 - #3

[katydid23]

I have not seen definitively how long he was going to be there. I would think he would be out of school for the week, but not sure the extent of his visit. jmo

There is a link in a post upthread that says he was there for the week.

 

[SmoothOperator]

You know I really can buy the scenario of Dylan having left out on foot, with his backpack(and all its contents) in tow..possibly irritated with dad for not taking him at 630am to the friends(regardless of whether he had a valid reason to feel this way or not).. I can buy that complete scenario, no problem..

What further IMO lends credence to this scenario is that we have a postman who knows Dylan and believes that he actually saw Dylan, with his black backpack walking on foot on Monday.. But here goes the major issue for me..

To believe that the walking to friends with backpack in tow is true..then IMO it makes it IMO extremely likely that the postman's account of seeing Dylan walking is true as well..IMO much much more likely that the postman's acct is true...and if the postman's acct is true...

Well then we have to believe that not only was Dylan walking along the road SO TOO WAS ANOTHER YOUNG MALE WALKING ASIDE HIM ON THE ROAD AS WELL... so where do you go from there??

Again I end up with two totally different possibilities...
A) the entire walking scenario is just not true and the postman was mistaken(moo is likely)

Or what IMO is much much more UNLIKELY but nonetheless some of us have broached earlier..

B) the walking on foot scenario is true..the postman's acct is true and Dylan was with a "friend" walking at some point on Monday...

Several of us have discussed the strange initial reaction we had to the friends statement made publicly near the beginning of the case.. He stated it was the friends belief that Dylan left his dads on foot to hitch a ride to get to his friends..and that it was at that point SOMEONE TOOK HIM..

Again not making any accusations here, but rather attempting TO LOOK AT ALL POSSIBILITIES and it cannot be denied that there were those of us that were immediately taken aback at IMO the strange direction and scenario that his friends were stating they believed to have happened to Dylan..odd IMO..odd...just saying..not accusing..

 

[Money Girl]

Have the whereabouts of Mom's boyfriend been established for that fateful Monday?

 

[Portabella]

Thank you Sarx for coming...
Could the dogs differentiate between Dylan's scent from his past visit and his new visit in the home?
If Dylan had slept on the coach, could they use a couch cushion or coverlet to track, or would they need clothing worn recently?

What is ideal items asked for when a handler it asking a parent for an item to go off of for the dogs?

Thank you in advance...

 

[Ransom]

Hi all. There was a request for me to come in and answer some questions about SAR. How can I help?

HTH ... links provided with my confusion
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[momrids6]

I agree time and place matters. My point was simply that I think she really does think he is involved. I can't imagine her suggesting it otherwise when she has a missing child!
Jmo

I don't.... if you look at her note to Dylan on her FB page... it is definitely CYA , IMO...

 

[sarx]

Hi Sarx. Word is that items had to be brought via Mom 300+ miles away for the dogs to use. Does this mean his own stuff was all gone, do you think, or was it just washed and thus, no good?

Bringing clothes in is probably the most reliable source would be my guess.

 

[DylansMom34]

Have the whereabouts of Mom's boyfriend been established for that fateful Monday?

LE and MSM have not said anything about Mom's boyfriend. Not sure there is any reason to report on his whereabouts??

 

[sarx]

There was a question about whether or not Dylan's scent would still be in the house if he hadn't been there since Labor Day.


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To some degree yes, but dogs picking up on it is an entirely different matter. I wouldn't nor would anyone I know take that challenge.

 

[Ransom]

Bringing clothes in is probably the most reliable source would be my guess.

Here's the best article about the dive/search at the lake with an LE release from Monday night:
http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1092

 

[Ransom]

LE and MSM have not said anything about Mom's boyfriend. Not sure there is any reason to report on his whereabouts??

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/29/dylan-redwine-missing_n_2211894.html

Elaine's boyfriend, Mike Hall, who lives with the mother in Colorado Springs, declined to speculate on what might have happened to Dylan.

"I just hope we can get him back," Hall said. "We're very grateful for the support of everyone that's trying to help in that community."

 

[sarx]

Dogs alerted on 4 places on this lake, 2 dogs one handler, 1 dog another, two different days. They search and find nothing. Is there still a possability that they alerted in those areas do to wind, and it wasn't even close to that area, but could still be in the lake?

Yes, wind can play a huge factor, so can current, and ALL bodies of water have currents. Do you know what type of training the dog had? HRD and Water HRD are two very different disciplines. If I had a magic wand I would bring in at least one more dog and run them blind to see if they duplicate the results.

 

[Ransom]

Yes, wind can play a huge factor, so can current, and ALL bodies of water have currents. Do you know what type of training the dog had? HRD and Water HRD are two very different disciplines. If I had a magic wand I would bring in at least one more dog and run them blind to see if they duplicate the results.

http://www.laplatasar.org/www/

Also Lake Vallecito is live fed lake + snow melt
http://www.vallecitolakechamber.com/maps/index.asp

 

[sarx]

Sarx,

I will have to go get the links, but there are several 'dog' issues in this frustrating case.

First, they could apparently not use scent dogs at the start because they needed the mother to send things from his home 7 hrs away. Apparently there was nothing his Dad could offer because Dylan had only been at his home for one night before he went missing.

Can scent dogs use pillow cases or sheets or do they need shoes or clothing?

Then, the searchers sent divers into the reservoir because three separate dogs hit upon scent on top of the water in the same place. [ I guess they were cadaver dogs] After 2 days of diving, the authorities said ' the dogs were wrong.'


Now, 11 days later, they are apparently bringing dogs to the dad's house. [ am I correct?]

Yes, you can use pillow cases and bedding, though they may be concerned about cross contamination or something else? Shoes are actually the worst thing you can use. Hats and things high up on the body are great.

Were these 3 dogs with different handlers or the same handler?

What type of dogs being brought to Dad's house?

 

[ICUDOUCME]

Yes, wind can play a huge factor, so can current, and ALL bodies of water have currents. Do you know what type of training the dog had? HRD and Water HRD are two very different disciplines. If I had a magic wand I would bring in at least one more dog and run them blind to see if they duplicate the results.

So would it be best to have the Water HRD? No I do not know what training they had. This is very disturbing to me though, as that means they should have other dogs come in and try again....as there is a current on this lake as well as moving water running into it. As well as it being somewhat windy the day they did this.

 

[sarx]

If DR slept in the house would the dog have been able to get his scent from linens/pillows/blankets, etc....if they were commonly used by someone else?

Yes, though a clean scent article is always best and ideally if you have to use something that is contaminated like that, then they would need to do a missing member id as well, thus eliminating that other person for the dog.

 

[ICUDOUCME]

Yes, you can use pillow cases and bedding, though they may be concerned about cross contamination or something else? Shoes are actually the worst thing you can use. Hats and things high up on the body are great.

Were these 3 dogs with different handlers or the same handler?

What type of dogs being brought to Dad's house?

The 3 dogs two belonged to the same handler, and one to another.

 

[katydid23]

Yes, you can use pillow cases and bedding, though they may be concerned about cross contamination or something else? Shoes are actually the worst thing you can use. Hats and things high up on the body are great.

Were these 3 dogs with different handlers or the same handler?

What type of dogs being brought to Dad's house?

Here is the article that Ransom found about the dogs at the lake;

Here's the best article about the dive/search at the lake with an LE release from Monday night:
http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1092
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I am not sure what kind of dogs they are bringing in now. They had the CSI truck and tents and 15 techs and impounded cars...so after all that, would dogs do any good?

I will try and find a link about what they are trying to do now.

 

[sarx]

So would it be best to have the Water HRD? No I do not know what training they had. This is very disturbing to me though, as that means they should have other dogs come in and try again....as there is a current on this lake as well as moving water running into it. As well as it being somewhat windy the day they did this.

Yes, if they're on the lake then I am hoping and guessing that they were using water dogs. Yes, I would bring in other dogs to confirm or negate.

With that many tributaries coming into the lake, there is likely pretty significant currents.

Was there any mention of whether the trailing dogs had any success? (That is what the scent article would be for, not the water dogs).

 

[ICUDOUCME]

Yes, if they're on the lake then I am hoping and guessing that they were using water dogs. Yes, I would bring in other dogs to confirm or negate.

With that many tributaries coming into the lake, there is likely pretty significant currents.

Was there any mention of whether the trailing dogs had any success? (That is what the scent article would be for, not the water dogs).

Because the scent articles were not used until later, there has been no mention of whether the trailing dogs had any success or not.