CO - Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 - #3

[mck16]

The 3 dogs two belonged to the same handler, and one to another.

And the dogs were there on two different days. Which suggests to me the later dog came in to verify what the first two found. jmo

 

[Crosby87]

A few days ago, there was a spark of hope after part of a fishing pole was found on a dam, prompting a two-day search of the area that turned up empty.

Investigators determined the discovery had no connection to the case after they located the owner of the broken pole.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...confirmed-did-NOT-run-away.html#ixzz2DeydkoZ4

 

[lishac23]

Yes, though a clean scent article is always best and ideally if you have to use something that is contaminated like that, then they would need to do a missing member id as well, thus eliminating that other person for the dog.

You don't have to speculate if you don't want to, but based on your experience....if DR slept in the house as Dad is claiming, is it still possible that Dad had no viable stuff to give to the dogs?

 

[sarx]

I think I got everyone, but if for some reason I missed your question (and it was different than someone else's that I answered) please ask again. Not trying to ignore anyone!
All great questions btw! And for those that don't know me, please don't hesitate to ask a question, even if you feel it's stupid. Someone else is probably wondering the same thing. (and there are no stupid questions)

 

[Ransom]

The 3 dogs two belonged to the same handler, and one to another.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22083134/dylan-redwine-boy-missing-near-vallecito-did-not

Video with Dan Bender explaining the 2 dogs that "hit" at the lake + article

 

[mck16]

Because the scent articles were not used until later, there has been no mention of whether the trailing dogs had any success or not.

I thought the trailing dogs are what led them to the lake.

 

[sarx]

You don't have to speculate if you don't want to, but based on your experience....if DR slept in the house as Dad is claiming, is it still possible that Dad had no viable stuff to give to the dogs?

It could be as simple as what the dogs have trained on in terms of how long a scent article has been in contact with the MP. Other than that, I'm not gonna speculate on that one!

 

[SmoothOperator]

here we have a statement that the dogs ACTUALLY CLEARED THE AREA OF THE LAKE Thereby concluding the searches of this area for Dylan..so, IMO that means per the dogs there was no scent of Dylan, period..or of cadaver in this particular lake area, no?

Due to a complete clearing of the area of the dogs, as well as the surrounding area, no further searches of the lake bottom are planned unless new information is developed.
http://www.pinerivertimes.com/news.asp?artid=1092

 

[Marilynilpa]

I will eat crow if he is in a remote cabin. Between the harshness of Colorado, between weather, wildlife, and just being alone...I find it a very far stretch that he is out there in a cabin. I wish I felt he could be, if even eighteen maybe, but even then doubtful. But at his age, with loving family, I have No hope of this. The cabin would have to be by a stream, he would have to get lucky fishing. He would have to dig his own bait. find his own wood etc. He is thirteen... I don't know what happened, but its been too long. I think that is why runaway is ruled out. Its late fall in Colorado... its nothing nice in the mountains...

Oh, I agree, I was just indulging in a little "what if" thinking. I don't think Dylan is holed up in a cabin somewhere, I was just wondering if that would even be possible. I've lived in some pretty remote areas in Colorado and I know what the weather is like there this time of year.

 

[sarx]

I thought the trailing dogs are what led them to the lake.

Anyone got any more on this?

 

[mck16]

It could be as simple as what the dogs have trained on in terms of how long a scent article has been in contact with the MP. Other than that, I'm not gonna speculate on that one!

I didn't think you would and I appreciate that. ty

 

[pinkandgreenmom]

Assuming he actually got on the plane - and AFAIK we have no reason to suspect that he didn't - at minimum there had to have been flight attendants and other passengers who saw him. The last documented time such as on a video would sure be helpful, though.

We just flew this weekend. We flew a major carrier and the stated policy was that children aged 5-14 had to fly with either a parent or an airline employee escort. Not until a child was over the age of 14 could they fly unescorted. The escort stays with the child until picked up by someone authorized to meet the child. I'm not sure if that is a federal law/rule, but I would imagine most airlines have similar restrictions. I cannot imagine allowing a 13 year old to navigate security, the airport, a flight, walking through the whole airport on the other end to get to where non-ticketed passengers are allowed ot wait, etc.

Sorry if this has been mentioned already, I'm a bit behind and a first time poster...

 

[ICUDOUCME]

here we have a statement that the dogs ACTUALLY CLEARED THE AREA OF THE LAKE Thereby concluding the searches of this area for Dylan..so, IMO that means per the dogs there was no scent of Dylan, period..or of cadaver in this particular lake area, no?

Ok I had not seen this after the search of the lake(for the trail dogs), but the other dogs alerted(the water dogs) weather they want to believe that they alerted on nothing or not is not what I was wondering. I can not see how on earth they can say that 3 dogs with two different handlers is wrong.

 

[Bravo]

I could be wrong but IIRC it was Dad telling LE Dylans fishing rod was missing that led them to the lake. A rod was found but it was not Dylans. Thats all i got on what led them to the lake. Anyone?

 

[lishac23]

It could be as simple as what the dogs have trained on in terms of how long a scent article has been in contact with the MP. Other than that, I'm not gonna speculate on that one!

Thanks SARX...the word fantastic doesn't do you Justice.

 

[OtherEyes]

A statement of facts from LE would be helpful. jm

YES PLEASE!

This is getting ridiculous with how the media is recycling these stories!! It's so frustrating for those of us who have read every one of them let alone peeps that are just coming into this wanting to understand!

It's like someone spinning you in circles over and over, then wanting you to walk in a straight line! It's very difficult.

I feel like I've got it down, then...:bricks:

 

[scorekeeper]

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121128/NEWS01/121129612/Dylan-Redwine-did-not-run-away-police-say

there is a comment from a JR at 9 am today, 11/29 about how cell phones may/may not work in the area of dad's house

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

:welcome: PinkandGreenMom!

 

[katydid23]

Anyone who took photos or shot videos that included vehicles along County Road 501 and Florida Road (County Road 240) from 6 p.m. Nov. 18 to noon Nov. 19 is asked to share a copy with investigators. The county dispatch center may be contacted at 385-2900.

The door-to-door canvassing by the task force followed days of searching with dogs and a dive team around Vallecito Reservoir. Community volunteers , as many as 200 in one day, visited vacant houses, barns and outbuildings looking for traces of Dylan.

Divers spent Monday searching beneath the waters of Vallecito Lake for the boy after two dogs alerted handlers to a scent that broke through the surface.
Dogs are now helping with ground searches.


Read more: Dylan Redwine, boy missing near Vallecito, did not run away - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/breakingn...-missing-near-vallecito-did-not#ixzz2Df2ZtGBt
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Twenty law officers on Wednesday continued their door-to-door visits and inspection of buildings that began Tuesday with the hope of finding someone with information who can help solve the mystery of Dylan’s disappearance.

The task force has officers from the Sheriff’s Office, Durango Police Department, FBI, Colorado Bureau of Investigation and the Bayfield Marshal’s Office.
“The task force is gathering any form of information,” Bender said. “The information may not be applicable now, but could be in the future.”

Specifically, investigators would like to talk to anyone who was taking photos or shooting videos that show vehicles along the typical routes between Vallecito and Durango from 6 p.m. Nov. 18 to noon Nov. 19. That would include County Road 501 and Florida Road (County Road 240).



Three canine units belonging to La Plata Search and Rescue returned Wednesday to Vallecito to explore areas adjacent to the reservoir but not along the shore, Bender said.

A dive team from the New Mexico State Police used cadaver dogs, sonar and divers last weekend to explore an area near the reservoir dam that the dogs had signaled as being “hot.” Nothing unusual was found.

Bender said cadaver dogs don’t have to pass over every square foot of reservoir surface. The scents they are trained to detect emerge from the water, like smoke from a chimney, and dissipate, Bender said.

Dog handlers work into the wind to give the dogs the best opportunity to sniff out scents.

 

[lishac23]

We just flew this weekend. We flew a major carrier and the stated policy was that children aged 5-14 had to fly with either a parent or an airline employee escort. Not until a child was over the age of 14 could they fly unescorted. The escort stays with the child until picked up by someone authorized to meet the child. I'm not sure if that is a federal law/rule, but I would imagine most airlines have similar restrictions. I cannot imagine allowing a 13 year old to navigate security, the airport, a flight, walking through the whole airport on the other end to get to where non-ticketed passengers are allowed ot wait, etc.

Sorry if this has been mentioned already, I'm a bit behind and a first time poster...

WELCOME!!!

And you are absolutely correct!!! A couple of us noted the process of minors who travel "alone" or "unaccompanied" by an adult. The person picking them up is listed in the airlines database, has to show ID and go through security to meet the child at the gates. They are released after a flight attendant checks the ID again and the person has to sign a release form. (I've picked up my older boys (step)quite a few times)