CO - Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 Nov 2012 - #4

[vasportsmom]

Have you guys saw the thread for the 11yo leukemia patient LE is hunting after her mom fled the hospital with her?

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8592611"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - AZ AZ - Emily, 11, Phoenix Children's Hospital, 28 Nov 2012 - leukemia patient[/ame]

I think I am gonna head there for a bit.


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[Seajay]

It's taken me the better part of the day reading this thread and the last one. Every time I took a break to eat or watch a little TV, this thing grew by leaps and bounds. It's now 2 am here and I'm in major trouble with the DH.

Just about everything I thought of to say eventually got said in these last two threads. Good sleuthing.

One thing I didn't see to go along with all the other questions posed that have no answers yet is: What time did the dad go to the friends house to see if Dylan was there??? IOW, how long after he returned home at 11:30 am and discovered Dylan missing (with his verified alibi for his morning) did it take him to get to the friend's house? Another question we have to wait on LE for unless they make an announcement tomorrow of an arrest, then it's a moot point.

The statement at the vigil by the dad is unsettling to say the least, the past tense stuff. So very final. (I'm really trying hard not to get shoved into that tunnel with everyone else. I'm a claustrophic and hate tight, crowded places.)

I'm just going to wait til later on today (Fri.) and see what LE has up their sleeves after the big search today (Thurs.) of the dad's premises and vehicles.

I am so hoping against hope that what I'm thinking happened to Dylan didn't happen. Why wouldn't the family make a plea to whoever has Dylan, or saw Dylan?? Nevermind, I know the answer but it will get me shoved in that tunnel.

I must say I wanted to give everyone involved in this the benefit of the doubt but it got harder and harder as the day went on and certain things came to light.

We do have food and drink in that tunnel right?? I noticed a Maglite going in. Do we have wifi and cable TV in there??? Depending on these answers, it might not be such a bad place after all..............

 

[Gardenlady]

Agreed. I'm not touching the fire situation at all.

But the "running on fumes" line earlier was freaking hilarious.


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O/t comic relief:

Around this time of year, every year, I get to remembering my own kitchen fire. Somehow, back in the late 90s, early on in my marriage, I managed to set a turkey on fire on Thanksgiving day. I don't remember now why I was cooking a turkey, since I'm not a great cook (tho I am a great baker ) and my family always has a huge get together for dinner where all my aunts and uncle cook, but I was trying it, and i, DH, and my two toddlers were all waiting all morning to eat that bird. I open the oven and take it out, and sometime in those few seconds the bird went up in flames.

I calmly carried the flaming bird right to the sink, while yelling for my husband, who came and somehow put out the flames. We had to pick off some (ok a lot of) char, but we did eventually find some meat to eat.

So yeah, I really can't fault anyone for a kitchen fire lol. :innocent:

 

[Confusion]

O/t comic relief:

Around this time of year, every year, I get to remembering my own kitchen fire. Somehow, back in the late 90s, early on in my marriage, I managed to set a turkey on fire on Thanksgiving day. I don't remember now why I was cooking a turkey, since I'm not a great cook (tho I am a great baker ) and my family always has a huge get together for dinner where all my aunts and uncle cook, but I was trying it, and i, DH, and my two toddlers were all waiting all morning to eat that bird. I open the oven and take it out, and sometime in those few seconds the bird went up in flames.

I calmly carried the flaming bird right to the sink, while yelling for my husband, who came and somehow put out the flames. We had to pick off some (ok a lot of) char, but we did eventually find some meat to eat.

So yeah, I really can't fault anyone for a kitchen fire lol. :innocent:

You mean that isn't how you tell when it's done? :blushing:

 

[Gardenlady]

You know what GardenLady,
Every once in awhile, we are in FULL AGREEMENT. :loveyou:

:blowkiss:

Very glad to be sharing space in the tunnel with ya!

 

[Gardenlady]

You mean that isn't how you tell when it's done? :blushing:

:floorlaugh:

In my house, instead of the oven timer, it's usually the smoke detector that tells me food is ready lol.

No lie. My 15 year old son, who is very tall like DH, knows its his job to turn off the alarm, because short little me cant reach it. The other day he told me he's so sick of turning it off for me that he's just going to disable it before I start supper from now on! :blushing:

 

[Gardenlady]

And now said 15 yr old and the other kids are starting to wake up for school, so I'm going to get going... Hope when I get back later we have ANSWERS for Dylan! Or better yet, Dylan himself! lease:

 

[vasportsmom]

I think you're going to have to face your fears (claustrophobia) and accept the fact that you've joined those others in their tunnel!

SBM

That is a dirty, rotten, mean thing to say. I am NOT going in the tunnel and you can't make me! *said in my very best toddler tantrum voice while stomping my feet*



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[yupikgirl]

A family friend running the facebook page posted 4 hours ago a rundown of the events "as she knows them"

https://www.facebook.com/FindMissingDylanRedwine/posts/557900314236576


Edited to say thanks for posting bits and pieces of it below. I'm on my ipad and its not easy to copy just some of the text (easily anyway).

 

[margarita25]

Here's an article I came across re: investigative statements & language analysis, since we're discussing the use of past tense. While there is not a named suspect in Dylan's case, (yet), it is an interesting read, nonetheless.

http://www.crimeandclues.com/index.php/criminal-investigation//29--what-do-suspects-words-really-reveal

Here's a snippet:

"By Susan H. Adams, M.A.
Special Agent Adams teaches statement analysis as part of interviewing and interrogation courses at the FBI Academy.

This Article Originally Appeared in the FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin, October 1996.

(In statement analysis, investigators examine words, independent of case facts, to detect deception.)

Susan Smith stood outside her burgundy sedan and released the parking brake. The car plunged down the ramp into South Carolina''s Long Lake, with her sons, Michael, 3, and Alexander, 14 months, strapped into their car seats. To cover her actions, Susan told police that the boys were abducted at gunpoint, launching a nationwide search for the victims and their abductor. During the investigation, Susan tearfully told reporters, "My children wanted me. They needed me. And now I can't help them."1

Yet, the boys' father, David, who believed Susan's story, tried to reassure her by saying: "They're okay. They're going to be home soon."2

 

[katydid23]

A family friend running the facebook page posted 4 hours ago a rundown of the events "as she knows them"

https://www.facebook.com/FindMissingDylanRedwine/posts/557900314236576

People reported seeing him walking but all of those reports turned out to be unsubstantiated. (There is another older boy at the lake who looks similar to Dylan)

At 4:15 Mark said he went to the friends house that Dylan was supposed to be hanging with to see if Dylan showed up there. Finding 2 of Dylan's friends there they said they had been trying to contact him all day to no avail.

Mark then said he went to the Marshal's office to express his concern that he couldn't find Dylan.

La Plata County search and rescue searched for Dylan Monday night and all day Tuesday.

Dylan's mother was notified Monday afternoon that her son was missing and she drove immediately from Colorado Springs to Durango to aid in the search. Dylan's brother and other family members accompanied her, she arrived Monday night.

Mark was cooperative with the police and they were allowed to do a preliminary search of his home.

Search dogs detected a scent on the road near Marks house, but it couldn't be verified that it was Dylan's because at the time there was nothing for the dog's to catch a scent from.

Dylan's cell phone records have been checked. And his phone activity is monitored at all times. His phone has been turned off since Sunday night.
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Interesting tidbits in the timeline.

The sightings of Dylan have NOT been substantiated. :cry:

It was not until 4:15 that Dad went to the friends to check on if Dylan was there.

Dylans cell has been TURNED OFF since Sunday night.

 

[katydid23]

Okay, let's digest this:

Interesting tidbits in the timeline.

The sightings of Dylan have NOT been substantiated. :cry:

It was not until 4:15 that Dad went to the friends to check on if Dylan was there.

Dylans cell has been TURNED OFF since Sunday night.


Why did it take dad until after 4 to go to the friends to check on him? Wouldn't he do that almost first thing? What was he doing from 11:30 until 4:15 to find Dylan?

WHY was Dylans phone still turned off on Monday morning? Wouldnt he turn it on to see if he could get service at least?

And sadly, those sightings were not valid.

Now I understand why those two vehicles were towed to the forensics lab today.

 

[Eileen730]

This is a theory I've been stuck on as well, and after NG's show last night there was some discussion here that the timeline was really suspicious.
To recap:
- Dylan's flight landed around 6, 6:30 (per family friend on NG show and poster on this thread researching flight Dylan likely took)
- Dylan and dad went grocery shopping on the way home (per family friend according to Dylan's dad).. we don't know where but it was somewhere between Durango and Vallecito.. factor in certain amount of time for food shopping.
- The trip from airport to dad's home is supposed to take about 1hr (mapquest).
- According to Sgt Bender , last known cell activity on Dylan's phone was around 8pm Sunday night, nothing since.

You put this all together and it's likely that the earliest Dylan could've possibly arrived at Dad's home was 7:30 (really conservative), 7:45... If we go with plane landing at 6:30 or grocery shopping taking a bit longer, that can easily put time of arrival after 8pm... potentially WELL after 8pm... If they were still en route well past 8pm for whatever reason (and nobody can confirm that they arrived home at a certain time) then Dylan is essentially unaccounted for and they are both on the road or who knows where unless there's documentation or confirmed sightings, video, etc.

LE is saying that the search today was based on Dylan being last seen at dad's house (basis for search warrant), so that would go against the idea that he never arrived home. So I'm not sure if they had something concrete to go on, other than dad's word, placing Dylan in the home. For the purpose of getting a search warrant it makes sense they would take dad's word to get full access to his vehicles, home and property. Even if they're thinking like we are that maybe Dylan never made it there. Especially with dad not having any items of Dylan's with his scent.

Now I'm talking in circles again.

Of course LE should know where the last ping was, though I can see a way someone could get around that being an issue. The point is with the limited confirmed info we DO know, the known timeline and the d/c of cell activity certainly can point to not making it home. JMO of course and only based on timeline and MSM /interviews.

Im thinking that last cell activity was Dylan texting his friend that he wouldnt meet them that night but would come in the morning! Then his cell was turned off.

 

[Seajay]

Okay, let's digest this:

Interesting tidbits in the timeline.

The sightings of Dylan have NOT been substantiated. :cry:

It was not until 4:15 that Dad went to the friends to check on if Dylan was there.

Dylans cell has been TURNED OFF since Sunday night.


Why did it take dad until after 4 to go to the friends to check on him? Wouldn't he do that almost first thing? What was he doing from 11:30 until 4:15 to find Dylan?

WHY was Dylans phone still turned off on Monday morning? Wouldnt he turn it on to see if he could get service at least?

And sadly, those sightings were not valid.

Now I understand why those two vehicles were towed to the forensics lab today.

Yeh, the 4 hour gap between him returning after his errands and before going to the friend's houses. Way too long. He should have been calling or going to the friends house as soon as he got back from his errands when he saw his son wasn't home. Not wait 4 hours. What was his story for why it took him 4 hours to go there?

I think he took the child's phone and shut it off. Hypotheically. No other explanation. I see a tunnel in my future. I don't wanna go unless wifi and cable have been set up. No. Nooooooo.

 

[Eileen730]

:floorlaugh:

In my house, instead of the oven timer, it's usually the smoke detector that tells me food is ready lol.

No lie. My 15 year old son, who is very tall like DH, knows its his job to turn off the alarm, because short little me cant reach it. The other day he told me he's so sick of turning it off for me that he's just going to disable it before I start supper from now on! :blushing:

LOL thats just ooo funny because its the same here every time we make toast that thing sings lol

 

[The Farm]

I just do not know. My initial thought was that he ran away.

My question is how is it LE think that is not a possibility?

 

[vasportsmom]

Tues - MR speaks at Vigil
Wed - LE states Dylan didn't runaway
Thurs - SW executed & vehicles towed
Fri -




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[OneLove]

I just do not know. My initial thought was that he ran away.

My question is how is it LE think that is not a possibility?

Yes, how DO they know that he did not run away? I can't sort that out really.

 

[vasportsmom]

Yes, how DO they know that he did not run away? I can't sort that out really.

Well they said it was a combination of factors - time elapsed, no contact w/family or friends and no social media activity but I thought that sounded weak from the moment it was reported. I don't think we will hear a better explanation until an arrest is made though.


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[hollyblue]

:floorlaugh:

In my house, instead of the oven timer, it's usually the smoke detector that tells me food is ready lol.

No lie. My 15 year old son, who is very tall like DH, knows its his job to turn off the alarm, because short little me cant reach it. The other day he told me he's so sick of turning it off for me that he's just going to disable it before I start supper from now on! :blushing:

I have a very sensitive smoke alarm and before broiling anything I place a shower cap over it. I'm short too, and it's either stand there and fan a magazine until it stops or take the time for the shower cap.