CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #11

[Kamille]

I'm not certain how good cell phone coverage is between these two cities. Judging from the maps - I don't live in the area - it's pretty rural and coverage was apparently spotty even in Vallecito. With the mountains, they may have lost the ping trace pretty early on.

I don't believe this is an issue with texting...only phone calls.

MOO

 

[SmoothOperator]

Moo is that LE many, many times are very, very hesitant to PUBLICLY name an individual a POI/SUSPECT in these high profile media cases..this is jmo from what I have seen and noted over many years of following these cases..

We all know that PUBLICLY is of course the key word here.. In that IMO they very much have an indiviudal(s) named as A SUSPECT in their investigation..it's just that PUBLICLY they are hesitant to announce this.. I have on other cases gone into detail on what I have personally noted to be the way it standardly goes as to when/why LE do publicly name a suspect..

To quickly put in a nutshell what I've personally observed to be some of the key elements is that if an individual who they have pegged as a suspect(yet not publicly) are many times still somewhat cooperating, as in there is stiill some amount of open line of communication btwn LE and the individual..many times the individual has not yet lawyered up(tho, some have but to some degree are still meeting with, speaking with LE to some degree)..

For these reasons at that particular time the LE feel it in their best interest to not go public in naming them a suspect...ESPECIALLY WHEN A CHILD IS MISSING AND THEY STILL ARE HOPING FOR THAT COMMUNICATION WITH THE SUSPECT TO POSSIBLY GIVE THEM ANY SLIVER OF INFO THAT COULD POSSIBLY CUE THEM IN TO WHERE THE CHILDS REMAINS ARE..

IMO when the suspect completely cuts off this communication LE many times at that point have no reason to keep their suspect status under wraps and will publicly name them a POI/SUSPECT(as a prime example Dale Smith, Jr in Michelle Parker's case)

Just in a nutshell some things I've noted over the years regarding publicly announcing a SUSPECT/POI..all jmo, tho.

 

[LotusPawprint]

I don't want to take what I'm highlighting MR said out of context, so:

At the same time, Mark Redwine has been thrust into the public spotlight, something he's not used to.


“I tend to be more of a private person,” he explained. “I keep things bottled up inside.”

On one hand, I understood that at the time. I can't really fault parents thrust into a situation with a missing child for feeling uncomfortable with the media and not knowing how to react.

But with our recent news, I find the latter part of his comment somewhat chilling. jmo.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20...900/Family-keeps-faith-through-adverse-time--

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Walmart in Florida sells booze...

Jumping off your post...

I imagine LE has all this info, of course...

I wonder why the article was released today?

 

[PaulR]

I don't believe this is an issue with texting...only phone calls.

Texting and phone calls both use cell towers. The reason texts can go through when phone calls can't is because of the bandwidth they use and that they can sit on the phone for a few minutes if reception goes in/out until the messages are sent/received.

 

[Kamille]

They did it in the Lauren Spierer case, as I recall. Those were POIs which are very loosely defined.

Well LE has never said that MR is not a POI or a suspect. They've only used the term suspect. I'm sure he is a POI but it appears no one has asked them directly if he is?

MOO

 

[Seajay]

About the lawyer appointment. He couldn't have made that appointment on the spur of the moment. Any time anyone I knew needed to make an appointment, it was a month out before they got one. It's not something you can make on a Friday afternoon, or a Saturday or a Sunday and have on Monday morning bright and early. No way.

So that appointment had to have been made well in advance to this visit. JMO

As far as the other stuff goes, they both look like parental prizes to me. I'd pack everything I owned and would hit the road. MOO

 

[dogsearch]

I don't think it's an issue with pinging either. Calls can cut out, and you can lose bars. But I believe the phone and the towers try to connect constantly. Hence why texts tend to make it through - it grabs the signal when it can to send that little bit of data. So I don't think a spotty signal fits with the phone going completely off the grid. It only fits for an area with no service whatsoever.

 

[Chili Fries]

"Dylan arrived Nov. 18 in Durango. He and his father went to the Walmart in town before driving to Bayfield -- 45 minutes away."

Read more: http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico...17686454/-/15qwdeq/-/index.html#ixzz2EKDmyI9o

So they want from Durango, to Bayfield, to home? Is that a faster route than the backroads? Before I could see Dylan possibly not getting upset at waiting until tomorrow to see his friends. But if they were driving right through the friend's area, then I think he's more likely to have had a teenage meltdown.

I think that article is incorrect, and they didn't drive to Bayfield.

I can't find a McDonald's or Walmart in Bayfield, so they had to drive from the airport (which is outside of Durango, to the south) to Durango, to go to Walmart and McDonald's, then to Vallecito.

MAP OF THEIR PROBABLE ROUTE

So I do think it could be telling that LE is planning a big search along that route - between Vallecito and Durango (not in the direction towards Bayfield).

 

[PaulR]

Walmart in Florida sells booze...

The Walmarts in Colorado, at least in Durango, don't sell liquor. This article is about the one in Durango losing their "liquor license" for sales to a minor, but that only applied to beer under 3.2% alcohol.

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20120703/NEWS01/707039956/0/FRONTPAGE/Walmart%E2%80%99s-alcohol-sales-suspended

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

My thoughts? Both parents have issues. Anger, alcohol, who knows what else.
I'm sad that children have to grow up in these surroundings, yet I see it every day where I work. I'm getting burnt out though, not sure how much longer I can watch it.

IDNTS... :grouphug:

 

[kkdj]

Seems like Dylan lived thru more than most young boys, watching and reacting to family violence and alcohol fueled parents.
That would cause a point of reference for him in dealing with life.
The idea that at 9 years old he tried to fight his dad is telling!
I feel so sad for him!

 

[Confusion]

Thank you thank you! I looked and looked and couldn't find the screenshot myself.

Child abuse-negligence-no-injury to me hints possibly drunk threatening rant at neighbor in front of the kids over a broken toy.

So
1988: Menacing - guilty plea
1992: Theft - guilty plea
2003: Child abuse/neglect no injury + menacing + disorderly conduct/unreasonable noice + trespassing + 3rd degree assault (which could be resisting arrest) ... all pled down to single count of disorderly conduct/noise.
2005: Mom wants to get divorced. Dad claims she likes to drive kids around after drinking, so he pulls them out of school in fear mom will pick them up drunk (that statement just confuses me - I think he's leaving something out here - almost sounds like another possible scary get back at mom by taking the kids out of school unexpectedly situation).
2008: Dad has drunken sex with a women under mom's window. Mom comes out screaming the kids could see, and Dad grabs her in the commotion and swings towards Cory. Dylan gets involved and swings at Mark. Mark is later beat up and basically lays passed out (my guess is more drunk than hurt?), and doesn't know who the attacker is - but Cory admits later it was him.
So sounds like Mom files restraining order request. Dad replies with his own restraining order request, listing driving kids drunk and his son beating him up (after Mark swung first, mind you) as violence by his mom. Both are dismissed in a couple of months.
Unknown date - Mom moves away with the boys. Dad rarely sees Dylan at all, and has to go to court just to get his holidays.
October - Mark loses custody completely, and only gets visitation. Even that seems to only be on rare holidays, at least so far.

Could you tell me where the information I bolded can be found? I read the links provided and watched the video, but didn't see/hear this part. TIA

Am I right in assuming that it's still only the father who can be sleuthed? I really don't see anything in the charges that shows that MR ever actually used violence against Dylan.

A lot of people here have used their past experiences (myself included) to show why they hold some of their beliefs, and I wanted to add another of mine. First, I'm in no way making excuses for MR; I abhor violence by or against anyone. Anyway... When my parents were married, my father beat my mother a lot after he'd been drinking. He also cheated on at least 5 of his 6 wives. Everybody always considered my mother to be a "victim", and in a sense she was. However, I did see another side of the equation when she married my stepfather.

The two of them were in an argument one day about something rather petty, but she was extremely irate about it. When he told her for about the 10th time to just settle down and be quiet (maybe not in those exact words), she picked up an ashtray and started to hit him in the head with it. He grabbed her wrist and took it away, and simply said, "Don't even think about doing that. If you do, I'll automatically hit you back, and I don't ever want to do that." There were many things she'd say over the years that seemed to be efforts to push him to violence (although they probably weren't), but he never laid a finger on her.

I was told as an adult (by relatives on both sides of the family) that she'd lay into my father if he was 5 minutes late getting home accusing him of stopping to see a girl, etc. Eventually he'd get tired of it, walk out, go to the bar and get drunk. When he came home, she'd start again, but after one or two sentences, he'd beat her bloody. I'm not making excuses for him, because I don't believe there is anything that excuses it, but I don't believe that it was a one-sided thing in my parents' marriage or in the Redwine's.

As I've said before, my father never touched any of the kids, but if he (or anyone else) had touched my mother in front of one of my brothers once they were old enough, I have no doubt any one of them would have at least attempted to hit him to protect her... in spite of the fact that none of us was that close to my mother (she was actually the one who took her anger out on the kids.)

I also don't condone any of the violent/aggressive actions any of the adults in Dylan's life took with each other, but they also don't make me assume that MR would murder the one member of the family he hasn't been accused of victimizing. MOO

 

[vasportsmom]

Did you watch that video?
Cory has had trouble with the law for drugs and alcohol
and allegedly threw someone down the stairs . Mom says
she cannot control him .
Mom was accused of drinking and driving with the kids in the
car and apparently a judge believed it to be true because
he ordered her to not drink when the kids were in her custody.
The whole family seems a mess and no place for a kid to be
happy

How is the stuff about CR relevant? Why even throw that info out? His brother is missing. He doesn't deserve to have life examined and judged. JMO.


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[scorekeeper]

Did you watch that video?
Cory has had trouble with the law for drugs and alcohol
and allegedly threw someone down the stairs . Mom says
she cannot control him .
Mom was accused of drinking and driving with the kids in the
car and apparently a judge believed it to be true because
he ordered her to not drink when the kids were in her custody.
The whole family seems a mess and no place for a kid to be
happy

the report said - written by Mark - 7/4/08

While at his ______ house I was attacked and beaten then left for hours until I woke up and Corey admitted he was the one who beat me. A woman in the house several months ago Corey became violent with his ____ and tried to throw down a flight of stairs. ___ had numerous bruises and has admitted to me she can't control him and is afraid of him.

**I do not know what women/girl they are talking about - Mark did NOT say it was Elaine

the report written by Elaine on 7/4/08

Mark was having sex with a friend of ours in our yard under my window. Corey saw everything. Corey confronted mark. Mark got extremely beligerant as he was very drunk and grabbed me and took a swing at his son,
"D" reacted and hit Mark. He becomes extremely mean when drinking. Lets our 9 year old drive an ATV w/out him. The sheriff's office has spoken to him about this.

in 2005 mark wrote

2 years ago when living in Denver area she was bad about drinking and driving with kids. I removed the children from school because I was afraid she would pick them up drunk or after drinking.

reporter says - judge issued temp order for her to not be around kids while drinking or driving them ****I think for the next 2 years

This is what I transcribed...I may not be totally right but you get the picture and sorry if this has already been posted.

lease:lease:lease:

 

[FlyerFan28]

Remember earlier today how we were all spinning our wheels with no 'new' news?

 

[MrsPC]

what scares me...is that IMO, MR had a great deal of time to probably plan whatever happened to Dylan....and most likely he'll never be found.

 

[momrids6]

Well LE has never said that MR is not a POI or a suspect. They've only used the term suspect. I'm sure he is a POI but it appears no one has asked them directly if he is?

MOO

BBM

"Redwine has been cooperating with authorities and has not been named a suspect or person of interest, Shupe said."

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121130/NEWS01/121139996/-1/news

 

[Dee10]

After hearing these latest revelations, I understand why ER went to the press with her suspicions. These 2 had a long history of hurting one another and it seems their children were often in the middle. I'm still not sure if MR deliberately harmed Dylan in order to hurt her but, in her grief and anger, I can see why her mind went there.

She of all people would know if he has a temper with or without alcohol, etc. I think she showed restraint on the NG show, given this info. Victims of abuse are often masters of trying NOT to provoke a situation. JMO

 

[Salem]

I mentioned earlier that I found it noteworthy that MR skipped over Sunday eve; he mentioned that Dylan stayed up late Saturday evening, prior to flying in, but then jumps over to Monday morning, when Dylan purportedly slept in. It took me a couple of days to realize it, but suddently it occured to me that there is a skip in time...what Dylan did two nights prior does not explain why he would sleep in two mornings later. When I asked you other folks if any of you had come across any media quotes where MR specifically refers to Sunday night, no one was able to provide a single quote. What is particularly interesting about that is that we, as observers, fill in the blanks with logic (i.e. in essense, Dylan went to bed early Sunday eve), but MR never actually said that...he glossed right over Sunday night.

For what it's worth, I did some poking around and in statement analysis, this skipping of time is significant: It is referred to as "temporal lacunae", and when such skips in time are evident in statement analysis, it may point to something in the subject's mind that he/she is withholding from us. This is the time period in which he/she "did" what he/she "did" and he/she does not want to stop to explain. The skipping points to a time period that is sensitive.....
Now I'm not at all versed in statement analysis, and I have no idea if the concept is applicable in this particular scenario, but it certainly gave me reason to pause..
how 'bout you?

Can you provide us with a link, please? Some statement analysis sites are allowed here and it would be interesting to read for ourselves, if you found one of the allowed sites.

Thanks,

Salem