CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #13

[GateKeeper]

Yeah..I felt like this whole "report" about Dylan,was an intro into the weather instead.
BOOO HISSS....

http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico...7714292/-/11uwpygz/-/index.html?absolute=true

 

[aust amateur slueth]

There are other biases as well, biases that keep men like Solomon Metalwala away from his children. It is often assumed that men are not as deserving as parental rights, or that they simply don't need to see their kids as much as mothers do. Though I'll be the first to admit that bias gets better every year.

IMO the court is by nature very adversarial, it pits parents against each other with legal representation instead of making the parents work together for their childrens best interests.

The only bias the court should have is to protect the childrens safety as much as is possible.

I'm still horrified about a case here where the court ordered two young girls to spend alternate weekends with their pedophile father, with the proviso that they share a room until early teens and they must lock themselves in their room at night.

 

[asyousay]

I just can not get past the phone and its the red flag and can not be explained away IMO

He has time to eat and watch tv so if the battery drained he would of charged it then and there and I am sure would of texted his friends to ask what they was up to and did they still want to meet up .

If the phone had indeed broken then he would not of taken the phone with him as its broken and I am sure he would of left a note to say where he had gone as he knew his dad was coming back for him as that was the only way to let his dad know with a broken phone .

Also why grab a ride when he knows he has a lift to his friends when his dad gets home ? And without contacting his friends he had no idea if they was still home or not as they could of gone on without him !

 

[momrids6]

Don't misread me, I'm not anti-father. I have a great dad. My husband is a great dad. I know the vast majority of dads are good guys who play a huge positive role in the lives of their children.

I am pro-child. This means that I think that a child should have all the rights in the world to a relationship with non-abusive parents - be they male or female. However, I also believe that when abuse is occuring in a family situation the primary focus should be on the safety of the child, which is very different from many state laws and practices currently in place.

You listed things that might be a perception in society, but I was talking about a bias in the courts. Mothers more often recieve custody than fathers. But the great, great majority of cases settle out of court - between the parents, without a trial. So to include those figures in the total in terms of how the court responds isn't really appropriate. In contested cases, fathers actually do much better.

The problem is really the same on both sides: the court has little oversight or good training. Statistically, abusive fathers file for custody more often than non-abusive ones, and they're just as likely to get custody. If judges had better training about what DV is and how it can show up in family dynamics, and the actual rates of false allegations (quite low for both genders), fewer abusive fathers/mothers would recieve custody and more protective fathers/mothers would recieve custody. That should be what we all want.

I agree. BBM
Per MR & ER- (paraphrasing) What MSM stated was they were in divorce court almost monthly- with no mention of what part of the divorce was being contested/modified, etc, It did not state how many of these court visits were about custody.-In fact, MSM would not have access to parenting plans, as they are sealed, which includes custody disputes. In reviewing the records link posted on WS, there are a few issues with property that were probably contested/disputed.

http://www.courts.state.co.us/userf...tachment_Public_Access_Policy_02-07_FINAL.pdf

 

[PaulR]

Was this a prepaid/burn phone or regular monthly plan phone?

I ask because if he ran out of minutes (texting counts against your credit, ask me how I know!), he may have tried to hitchhike to a store to get another card, and he would have brought his phone with him.

 

[katydid23]

I don't think it is that unusual for a 13 yr old to want to wear a hoodie instead of a parka on a Thanksgiving trip.

We usually go to Reno/Lake Tahoe for Christmas to see my parents. My kids NEVER wanted to wear parkas unless they were snowboarding. But for regular 'cold' weather they just wore their fave hoodies.

There was no snow yet in Vallecito, so maybe Dylan felt fine with just his sweatshirt. My DS NEVER wore long pants to middle school, even in the winter. I thought I was going to be reported to CPS when he was in elementary school, and he wore shorts on rainy days. lol He was a great kid, did every thing we expected of him, so we backed off on the long pants thing. He was so adamant about it, I just let it go.

 

[GateKeeper]

IMO the court is by nature very adversarial, it pits parents against each other with legal representation instead of making the parents work together for their childrens best interests.

The only bias the court should have is to protect the childrens safety as much as is possible.

I'm still horrified about a case here where the court ordered two young girls to spend alternate weekends with their pedophile father, with the proviso that they share a room until early teens and they must lock themselves in their room at night.

ehhhh...I just had a "Josh Powell moment". <shudder>

....and.no Im not comparing JP to MR. :hand:

 

[sorrell skye]

I don't think it is that unusual for a 13 yr old to want to wear a hoodie instead of a parka on a Thanksgiving trip.

We usually go to Reno/Lake Tahoe for Christmas to see my parents. My kids NEVER wanted to wear parkas unless they were snowboarding. But for regular 'cold' weather they just wore their fave hoodies.

There was no snow yet in Vallecito, so maybe Dylan felt fine with just his sweatshirt. My DS NEVER wore long pants to middle school, even in the winter. I thought I was going to be reported to CPS when he was in elementary school, and he wore shorts on rainy days. lol He was a great kid, did every thing we expected of him, so we backed off on the long pants thing. He was so adamant about it, I just let it go.

I think if Dylan wasn't planning on spending any extended time outdoors, he might not have packed a heavy coat.

Who knows?

I'm interested in ER's comments regarding whether or not Dylan packed a heavy coat.

 

[Confusion]

I don't think it is that unusual for a 13 yr old to want to wear a hoodie instead of a parka on a Thanksgiving trip.

We usually go to Reno/Lake Tahoe for Christmas to see my parents. My kids NEVER wanted to wear parkas unless they were snowboarding. But for regular 'cold' weather they just wore their fave hoodies.

There was no snow yet in Vallecito, so maybe Dylan felt fine with just his sweatshirt. My DS NEVER wore long pants to middle school, even in the winter. I thought I was going to be reported to CPS when he was in elementary school, and he wore shorts on rainy days. lol He was a great kid, did every thing we expected of him, so we backed off on the long pants thing. He was so adamant about it, I just let it go.

A day or so ago, we had no snow here, in fact it was about 50 degrees a couple days ago. Today we had a blizzard. Yesterday the forecast for the next couple days was in the 30s, now it's 0 for tomorrow and 10 on Tuesday. I don't usually keep track of Colorado's weather, but it changes pretty quickly here at this time of year.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

And Solomon Metalwala is a GREAT example. We didn't know much about their case, other than that it was high conflict. However, the minute I read his brief, I KNEW he wasn't the problem in that relationship. Abusers use their briefs to degrade their victims. They get a high off of filing a public document that is meant to hurt and humiliate. They will almost always exaggerate wildly.

Solomon's brief was the opposite. He definitely stated specific examples of why he had concerns about his children in the care of their mother. But at other times in the brief, he complimented her. It almost read like it pained him to have to say these things about her publicly. I think someone trained in DV would have a red flag about her claims after reading that brief, and at least want to look into them further to see if they held up to scrutiny.

IMO its quite easy to see in the documents when one is straight down the line and when one isn't, when one is consistent on every document and the other ones story changes at least once or twice in each and every document.

whats sad is that a lot of the time it seems no one is reading and re reading these documents in order to look out for the children.

 

[asyousay]

Was this a prepaid/burn phone or regular monthly plan phone?

I ask because if he ran out of minutes (texting counts against your credit, ask me how I know!), he may have tried to hitchhike to a store to get another card, and he would have brought his phone with him.

His mum would of put credit on it before he left if it was a pay as you go. Do not forget this is the way she would of communicated with her son for the trip .


I highly doubt she would of wanted to have called a land line if she loathed MR that much as he may of picked up.

IMO


ETA If it was even a pay as you go .

 

[Confusion]

His mum would of put credit on it before he left if it was a pay as you go. Do not forget this is the way she would of communicated with her son for the trip .

I highly doubt she would of wanted to have called a land line if she loathed MR that much as he may of picked up.

IMO

ETA If it was even a pay as you go .

She did mention in an interview with somebody that he knew if he didn't keep in touch with her, she'd have the service turned off. If it was a pre-paid one, I think she would have said she threatened not to buy any more time for it. MOO

 

[Seajay]

I should have known what tact Marc Klaas was going to take tonight. He was anti-Mark Redwine during the interview with Nancy Grace last week.

I just thought that as a parent who lost a child, he'd understand that no one behaves the way one expects them to. Everyone is looking at you thinking you did it. If you are lucky, they aren't in your face about it, getting on national news outlets outright accusing you of having everything to do with it.

I was watching a show last night......Motives & Murders or Cold Blood or Unsual Suspects. It was about a man whose sister was murdered by a serial killer. Years later his wife disappeared.

He said years later that everyone was saying that he did it, that he couldn't possibly be innocent, he was giving interviews, smiling on camera, looking like he wasn't grieving. After the murderer was caught, with plenty of DNA evidence as well as the person who murdered his wife having her jewelry, he said that during the time following his wife's disappearance, everything seemed surreal, that he was numb, in a fog, doesn't even remember most of it. He said that when he sees some of that footage, he can see where people might have thought he wasn't grieving and that he did it, but he was innocent, he had nothing to do with it.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Yeah..I felt like this whole "report" about Dylan,was an intro into the weather instead.
BOOO HISSS....

http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico...7714292/-/11uwpygz/-/index.html?absolute=true

something no ones mentioned yet was the information that a sock identified as the type Dylan would wear was found during the search.

what do we make of that?

 

[asyousay]

She did mention in an interview with somebody that he knew if he didn't keep in touch with her, she'd have the service turned off. If it was a pre-paid one, I think she would have said she threatened not to buy any more time for it. MOO

Thank You

Most people in the UK now have contracts as they are so reasonable with minutes s and texts now . I was not sure if the U.S was the same price wise .

 

[momrids6]

<respectfully snipped>My DS NEVER wore long pants to middle school, even in the winter. I thought I was going to be reported to CPS when he was in elementary school, and he wore shorts on rainy days. lol He was a great kid, did every thing we expected of him, so we backed off on the long pants thing. He was so adamant about it, I just let it go.

I have one just like this! He has too many pairs of shorts- and two pair of jeans. He'll wear the jeans only if he has to (hunting, etc.)

 

[asyousay]

I should have known what tact Marc Klaas was going to take tonight. He was anti-Mark Redwine during the interview with Nancy Grace last week.

I just thought that as a parent who lost a child, he'd understand that no one behaves the way one expects them to. Everyone is looking at you thinking you did it. If you are lucky, they aren't in your face about it, getting on national news outlets outright accusing you of having everything to do with it.

I was watching a show last night......Motives & Murders or Cold Blood or Unsual Suspects. It was about a man whose sister was murdered by a serial killer. Years later his wife disappeared.

He said years later that everyone was saying that he did it, that he couldn't possibly be innocent, he was giving interviews, smiling on camera, looking like he wasn't grieving. After the murderer was caught, with plenty of DNA evidence as well as the person who murdered his wife having her jewelry, he said that during the time following his wife's disappearance, everything seemed surreal, that he was numb, in a fog, doesn't even remember most of it. He said that when he sees some of that footage, he can see where people might have thought he wasn't grieving and that he did it, but he was innocent, he had nothing to do with it.

That is true but some things just do not make sense in this disappearance which is why some people are asking questions about MR.

 

[katydid23]

A day or so ago, we had no snow here, in fact it was about 50 degrees a couple days ago. Today we had a blizzard. Yesterday the forecast for the next couple days was in the 30s, now it's 0 for tomorrow and 10 on Tuesday. I don't usually keep track of Colorado's weather, but it changes pretty quickly here at this time of year.

True. But it is now halfway through December. Dylan packed for his trip in Mid-November. So they probably did not expect there to be any blizzards. But if there were, I am sure that Dad had some warm clothes in his closet. JMO

 

[Confusion]

I have one just like this! He has too many pairs of shorts- and two pair of jeans. He'll wear the jeans only if he has to (hunting, etc.)

Now that my "baby" is 30, he's allowed to dress any way he wants! He wears shorts most of the year, along with sandals. In fact, after the snow we had today, I imagine he'll probably put on a pair of socks while he's out shoveling, but I don't know about long pants and real shoes. :banghead:

 

[tarmancer]

on the timeline, per Cnn transcript, ER said that Dylan texted her that MR had picked him up - text rec'd approx 7:06pm.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1212/03/ng.01.html

So, if Dylan texted right after he was picked up at the airport, then went to Walmart and then to McDonalds, and then texted his friends that he wouldn't be able to see them til Monday morning....and it's a 45min drive to MR's home from the airport...and his phone was turned off or went dead 8:00pm....

that's only 54 minutes from when he let his mom know he had arrived.

Does that mean that it's possible whatever happened to Dylan occurred only about 10 minutes after McDonalds? (if you allow about 20 min for Walmart & 20 min for Mcdonalds)

Or, what was Dylan's location when he texted his mom?

Is it possible that the reply of "yes" with scowl face was not actually texted by Dylan's own hand? Could someone else have replied?