CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #13

[SCHMAE]

MR had just come into town on the Saturday for this visit himself. We have no indication of how long he was gone prior to the visit. I would imagine he'd have to stock up on some groceries for both himself and Dylan. When did he do this? I'm assuming there was milk in the bowl of cereal but I don't know. If he had been gone for any length of time prior to the visit he'd at least have had to buy that. So it's possible that if MR did not get groceries the day before, that he bought them at the Walmart because it was the only place open on a Sunday night? Perhaps he waited until Dylan was there to go grocery shopping so that he could pick out items that he liked and wanted?

I wonder if anyone can pinpoint a time when there was activity at the house on the Sunday night. Lights on, truck in driveway. Someone carrying in purchases. People talking. There are neighbours around MR's house. I wonder if anyone noticed anything.

MOO

Good point. I cannot tell you how many times I've stopped at walmart for one thing and it is .......electronic or something. The kids say can we stop and get the new ' spiderman' movie or something like this, just one thing so we can watch it tonight . If I needed a lot of groceries and don't feel up for shopping I could easily put it off til another time, but stop at walmart for that ONE item. When you live out in the sticks, there are not tons of stores to purchase new dvds , so if you pass a walmart you know they have it inside.

 

[vasportsmom]

Here's another one from vasportsmom:

Originally Posted by vasportsmom
Here is a start on the timeline. Feel free to add or edit as needed.


Background:
2007 - Parents Divorce
July 1 2012 - Elaine, Dylan and CR move to Colorado Springs
Labor Day 2012 - Dylan visits his father
Sept 21 2012 - Mom awarded sole custody

Sunday, Nov 18
6:00-6:30pm - Dylan was picked up by his father at Durango-La Plata County Airport.
- Dylan texts Mom that he landed and was met by Dad. Text includes "scowl" emoticon. (I believe it was at 7:06 pm
-Dylan and Dad grocery shop on way home and plan Thanksgiving dinner.
approx 8:00pm - Last phone activity
-Dylan originally planned to go to visit friends in Bayfield Sunday night, but MR said he had to wait until Mon. Dylan texts or calls friends and makes plans to see them at 6:30am in Bayfield. This is presumably before 8PM Sunday because that is when his phone is shut off or stops pinging

Monday, Nov 19
6:30am-Dylan has plans to visit friends. It is expected that his father will drive him. Dylan never arrives.. Visit was originally scheduled for Sunday evening but nothing was "etched in stone".
7:30am - Dad tries to wake Dylan but he was "out like a light" MR later said that Dylan acknowledged every thing he said to him
7:30am - Dad leaves to run errands and visit his divorce lawyer.
11:30 - Dad returns home and Dylan is not there. His black Hurley backpack is missing. Cell phone, charger and "various other items" are also missing.
? - Dad went to home Dylan had planned to visit looking for him R.N. called and texted Dylan all day but did not get a reply.MR first went to a friend of Dylan's in Vallecito to see if he was there. He then went to the house(s) of Dylan's friends in Bayfield to see if he was there
4:30-5:00 - Dylan is reported missing by his father after he can not locate him.
5:30 - Mom heads to Vallecito after being notified that Dylan is missing.
? -A resident who knows Dylan reported seeing him walking along County Road 501 in Vallecito Monday afternoon with another boy about the same age. Both had backpacks.

Tuesday, Nov 20
? - "Two rescue workers said they possibly saw him on separate occasions Tuesday afternoon, but he fled into the forest. Bender said Wednesday one of the sightings turned out to be a jogger; the second may have been the same jogger or Dylan."


The BBM is what I added. I'm sure there is much more.

This timeline is linked to the corresponding articles. Each bit of info is hyperlinked.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[The Cheese]

Comments and photos about the search are being posted to the Find Dylan Facebook page. The comments & pics about Dylan's 2 friends, who were the only children given permission to search, made me cry. What loving and caring boys. Their parents should be very proud of them, and I'm glad Dylan has such great friends.

Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/FindMissingDylanRedwine

Photo album: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.562551677104773.146038.555378941155380&type=1

 

[kkdj]

I think it's very important to put in the timeline that dad noted dylans fishing pole was missing and that he repeatedly spoke of Dylan in past tense.

 

[Ransom]

I think it's very important to put in the timeline that dad noted dylans fishing pole was missing and that he repeatedly spoke of Dylan in past tense.

And so has mom.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't believe Dad has Dylan hidden; the troubling part for me, though, is that it is so much more likely that whatever happened to Dylan has parental involvement than a stranger abduction (IMO) so it leaves very few alternatives, if not hidden.

Yes, stranger abductions happen, even from homes, but usually from a home where the child is known to live and when the timing is right. It seems far too coincidental to me that the very first day Dylan is in town in months, he is...gone.

But how would a stranger know if the kid lived there are not?

He was just there in September. He has to be flown in to see his dad. I dont expect him to see his dad often. It seems Dylan comes on holidays when school is out. He wouldnt be able to see him all the time since Dylan would be in school.

We dont know if Dylan was home, standing on the porch or what. We just dont know where he was and if no one was around... we know all too well just from reading here it doesnt take but a minute to abduct a child. And in those cases so many were certain it wasnt a stranger or a nieighbor but were dead certain it was the parent. These creeps dont even have to do it by force. They are very good at what they do unfortunately in luring children into a vehicle.

775 cases of known child abductions that ended in murder is a huge study with hundreds of known and proven cases in it. Only 14% of the time out of these 775 murdered children was the child murdered by their parent.

Now yes, around 400 parents a year do murder their children, but most are much younger than Dylan but those cases usually wind up where the murdering parent tries to fake an 'accident' by calling 911 and the autopsy says otherwise.

IMO

 

[SCHMAE]

But how would a stranger know if the kid lived there are not?

He was just there in September. He has to be flown in to see his dad. I dont expect him to see his dad often. It seems Dylan comes on holidays when school is out. He wouldnt be able to see him all the time since Dylan would be in school.

We dont know if Dylan was home, standing on the porch or what. We just dont know where he was and if no one was around... we know all too well just from reading here it doesnt take but a minute to abduct a child. And in those cases so many were certain it wasnt a stranger or a nieighbor but were dead certain it was the parent. These creeps dont even have to do it by force. They are very good at what they do unfortunately in luring children into a vehicle.

775 cases of known child abductions that ended in murder is a huge study with hundreds of know and proven cases in it. Only 14% of the time out of these 775 murdered children was the child murdered by their parent.

Now yes, around 400 parents a year do murder their children, but most are much younger than Dylan but those cases usually wind up where the murdering parent tries to fake an 'accident' by calling 911 and the autopsy says otherwise.

IMO

''These creeps dont even have to do it by force. They are very good at what they do unfortunately in luring children into a vehicle.'''

SO TRUE! I remember a while back on a true crime show hearing the words ( paraphrasing) that child predators are very skilled at taking advantage of coincidental circumstances like : first time a child is left alone waiting on a parent from work to come home, a school bus being several minutes late at a bus stop, etc etc. So glad you reminded me of that. Because I've been thinking how could some SO or RSO be so ' lucky' but its' because they are patient and wait for their opportunity.

 

[PaulR]

You know what we need? A mathematician or statistician. Statistically all things point to a 'known adult' involvement. If we could look at the last year's data and determine how many stranger abductions vs. parental or known adult abductions, we would have our answer! Unfortunately I m unable to determine how many heads/ tails you get when you flip a coin 10 times so I cannot do it, but the answers may lie in math !
Anyone up for that ? I wonder if LE does anything like stats or odds ?

Stats really don't work that way. Statistics tell you information from a large amount of data - for instance, X% of child abductions are from family, Y% are from acquaintances, Z% are complete strangers. But you can't use that knowledge to know what happens in one specific case.

Take the coin flipping example. Statistics can't tell you how many heads/tails you will get. Statistics will tell you the chances of getting 5 heads and 5 tails, or 0 heads and 10 tails. Math will tell you that 5 heads/5 tails is the most likely of all the possible combinations. That doesn't mean you'll get that when you flip 10 coins.

 

[alexandra]

What could be Dad's end game if he has Dylan hidden away? I can't figure out a way for it to ever end, if this were the case. He can't blame Mom; it is known he made it safely from her care to his.

I've thought of this too, but I can't figure what the outcome would be. But, I've also thought of it from the ER perspective as well. Would a parent that doesn't want to share a child perhaps stage a disappearance? But how would that ever end?? I'm not good at dealing with abstracts like this. Was it just an off the cuff idea perhaps born out of spite because of a court ordered visitation and now it's gotten out of hand? And it wouldn't even have to be the actual parent doing it...it could be a very close acquaintance to the parent who was tired of the constant tug of war and decided to "help". I dunno, just thinking out loud here.:banghead:

 

[SCHMAE]

Stats really don't work that way. Statistics tell you information from a large amount of data - for instance, X% of child abductions are from family, Y% are from acquaintances, Z% are complete strangers. But you can't use that knowledge to know what happens in one specific case.

Take the coin flipping example. Statistics can't tell you how many heads/tails you will get. Statistics will tell you the chances of getting 5 heads and 5 tails, or 0 heads and 10 tails. Math will tell you that 5 heads/5 tails is the most likely of all the possible combinations. That doesn't mean you'll get that when you flip 10 coins.

Oh no I understand it wouldn't tell us with 100% accuracy. But I wonder if it could tell us something like there is a 87% chance Dylan was taken by a stranger, see? Or a 92 % chance it was a familiar adult? That would be something to go on and with all odds, it could be wrong, but it would be
interesting info, nonetheless, to me anyway.

 

[SCHMAE]

I've thought of this too, but I can't figure what the outcome would be. But, I've also thought of it from the ER perspective as well. Would a parent that doesn't want to share a child perhaps stage a disappearance? But how would that ever end?? I'm not good at dealing with abstracts like this. Was it just an off the cuff idea perhaps born out of spite because of a court ordered visitation and now it's gotten out of hand? And it wouldn't even have to be the actual parent doing it...it could be a very close acquaintance to the parent who was tired of the constant tug of war and decided to "help". I dunno, just thinking out loud here.:banghead:

I think either parent stashing him is the least likely scenario.
At this point in my mind I'm at

MR involvement/ Abductor about equal chance of being true.
Run away / accident less likely
Parental hiding himout very very unlikely

 

[Crosby87]

MR alleges they made two stops after he picked up his son at the airport Sunday night so Dylan probably began texting as soon as he got in the truck and were heading home.

If MR didn’t want Dylan texting his friends, because he was sitting right next to his son, he would probably just grab it out of his hands and in turn Dylan would say “hey, give me my phone back” and try to get it back. Since his father was sitting next to Dylan, he likely hit him with his right fist to stop him.

I’m not sure if striking a person once with the side of your fist would leave telltale marks on it but Dylan is a small boy so a blow from an adult male would definitely harm him.

If the blow killed Dylan, what would MR do next? Drive to his house or somewhere else to dispose of his body and cell phone?

There is no reason for MR’s fingerprints to be on Dylan’s cell phone so if this is what happened, MR would need to get rid of it and since Dylan’s backpack is also missing, it's probably in there.

If this altercation occurred around 8 pm, MR had 12 hours to dispose of his son’s body, fabricate an alibi, and stage the house to make it appear like his son was there.

jmo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

''These creeps dont even have to do it by force. They are very good at what they do unfortunately in luring children into a vehicle.'''

SO TRUE! I remember a while back on a true crime show hearing the words ( paraphrasing) that child predators are very skilled at taking advantage of coincidental circumstances like : first time a child is left alone waiting on a parent from work to come home, a school bus being several minutes late at a bus stop, etc etc. So glad you reminded me of that. Because I've been thinking how could some SO or RSO be so ' lucky' but its' because they are patient and wait for their opportunity.

Totally correct. They can just pass a child who they see is alone with no one around and will seize on the opportunity that is before them.

I have watched those faux child abduction shows in horror through the years. And some had their parents sitting feet away from them and they didnt even notice that their child was being led away by a pretend pedo.

If one does not believe it is easy to abduct a child they should watch the haunting video of Carlie Brucia (sp?) and she was just walking down the road when led away by Joe Smith never to be seen alive again. Or watch Sandra Cantu skipping across the road in her own trailer park and as soon as she is out of sight of the camera... Melissa Huckabee lures her into getting into her vehicle never to be seen alive again.

IMO we are just kidding ourselves if we think children cant be abducted and look at how many cases there are where no one sees the child with the perp or hears a thing.

I dont think it is as rare as the stats would like us to believe. There are so many unsolved missing minor cases where they are never found. I suspect a lot of strangers took them and have gotten away with murder.

IMO

 

[PaulR]

MR alleges they made two stops after he picked up his son at the airport Sunday night so Dylan probably began texting as soon as he got in the truck and were heading home.

If MR didn’t want Dylan texting his friends, because he was sitting right next to his son, he would probably just grab it out of his hands and in turn Dylan would say “hey, give me my phone back” and try to get it back. Since his father was sitting next to Dylan, he likely hit him with his right fist to stop him.

I’m not sure if striking a person once with the side of your fist would leave telltale marks on it but Dylan is a small boy so a blow from an adult male would definitely harm him.

If the blow killed Dylan, what would MR do next? Drive to his house or somewhere else to dispose of his body and cell phone?

There is no reason for MR’s fingerprints to be on Dylan’s cell phone so if this is what happened, MR would need to get rid of it and since Dylan’s backpack is also missing, it's probably in there.

If this altercation occurred around 8 pm, MR had 12 hours to dispose of his son’s body, fabricate an alibi, and stage the house to make it appear like his son was there.

jmo

Just to count the "IF"s here:
- IF Dylan was texting his friends in the car
- IF MR didn't want Dylan texting his friends
- IF MR got upset
- IF MR grabbed the phone (while also driving)
- IF Dylan tried to grab it back
- IF MR hit Dylan (while also driving)
- IF the blow was so powerful as to kill Dylan

Them's a lot of IFs.

 

[Ransom]

Someone asked about the weather there:

http://cotrip.org/roadConditions.htm

Gives the road conditions for Colorado. Click each "camera" and it will pop up a window with current shot. Refreshes automatically.

 

[Confusion]

That would be fantastic, if you can help with that! If you have any links, even better, but not necessary. Just try to make sure everything is factual. I don't want to give her any bad info that someone could refute with facts.

I have started it, and I'm beginning to realize he's said a lot more than it seems. I should be able to find links to where he said things, and will link any confirmations that I know of, but several things he's aid are challenged by many (mainly posters here and comments under news articles, but not entirely.) If I know something that he has said is considered to be suspicious and hasn't been confirmed, I'll try to mention that too. I am NOT including anything about his marriage, divorce or relationship with his ex-wife.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Stats really don't work that way. Statistics tell you information from a large amount of data - for instance, X% of child abductions are from family, Y% are from acquaintances, Z% are complete strangers. But you can't use that knowledge to know what happens in one specific case.

Take the coin flipping example. Statistics can't tell you how many heads/tails you will get. Statistics will tell you the chances of getting 5 heads and 5 tails, or 0 heads and 10 tails. Math will tell you that 5 heads/5 tails is the most likely of all the possible combinations. That doesn't mean you'll get that when you flip 10 coins.

Thats why I much prefer actual research studies rather than statistics.

 

[The Cheese]

I don't think either mom or dad would have to even be aware if a relative, friend, or acquaintance took Dylan and stashed him away somewhere. With such nasty issues going on, someone could have gotten it into their mind that they were going to 'save' Dylan from all the fighting etc.

They could be preventing him from access to a phone, keeping him locked in a remote cabin, where he's not even sure where he is, and frightened to try to head out on his own.

They could be telling him that this is what his mom wants, even telling him fake messages from his mom that this is what he should do, bringing him things and telling him they're gifts from his mom. Who knows what all they could tell him, and do, to keep him convinced he should stay put.

The last police statement for what scenarios they were looking at was kidnapping and foul play. I've thought about that a lot, and a lot about the police statements in last night's Durango Herald article, and I really think they're concentrating on kidnapping. I just wouldn't assume they'd only be looking at mom or dad in a kidnapping scenario.

JMO. :blushing:

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think it is helpful, IMO, to compare cases where the outcome is known, with a case like Dylan's, where it is not known. There are plenty of cases where a stranger quickly abducted a child; there are also plenty of cases where a parent or relative was responsible. And there are a few (very few) where the child was eventually found alive, which is the reason we all know their names, because they seem to be the exceptions.

I believe it will take a confession to know what happened to Dylan at this point. Unfortunately, I don't think many people confess to crimes against children, at least not unless they are faced with irrefutable evidence.

 

[katydid23]

Maybe MR wanted to leave everything until LE was through with their searches.

But why would he think LE would nee4d to do any searches?????

As far as MR knew, everything was fine. According to him, everything was cool, and he figured his son had gotten a ride, no problem.

If MR had even thought about LE needing to do searches, wouldnt he have checked on his kid before 5 hours passed?