CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #13

[Tennlyn]

Again, if you think it would be helpful, please feel free to share with this group. I just don't know how/where, etc. Maybe Beach can post it somewhere.

:great: :yourock: :great:

Thank you so much for sharing that amazing summary!!!!

 

[mck16]

Yes, this process is called deductive reasoning. In science, there are two ways of arriving at a conclusion: deductive reasoning and inductive reasoning.

Deductive reasoning happens when a researcher works from the more general information to the more specific. Sometimes this is called the “top-down” approach because the researcher starts at the top with a very broad spectrum of information and they work their way down to a specific conclusion.

It's like using the "what if" function in Excel to come to a reasonable and logical conclusion.

There is no "back seat" in a truck so Dylan likely left his backpack sitting either on the floor or seat on the passenger's side of the truck when he was in the stores with his dad so it makes sense that he would take his phone out of his backpack and start texting if he hadn't texted his mother or friend before they headed home.

Mark was sitting within arm's reach of his son in the cab of the truck so if he didn't want his son texting, he would just grab it out of his hands.

At 8 pm, the cell phone was shut off and MR didn't say why Dylan's phone was shut off and so far I have no reason to believe Dylan slept at his dad's Sunday night. JMO

http://sociology.about.com/od/Research/a/Deductive-Reasoning-Versus-Inductive-Reasoning.htm

I am really not trying to belabor the point of the cell phone being turned off but I didn't know it had been confirmed that the phone was shut off. Only that it was not active. Did we ever get confirmation that the battery did not just die?

I will tell you that this phone being unresponsive after 8:00 bothers me a lot, but if the phone was 'dead', and as I believe something happened to DR before he could get a new battery, it means nothing as to who or what happened to DR.

As a parent who has not been so perfect in the past, I don't want MR to be responsible. jmo

 

[katydid23]

WOW!!!! That's AMAZING!!!! I'm in awe! Thank you isn't enough!!


Thank you TxJan!!!

That is an AMAZING timeline, TxJan. Great work. You must be an awesome project manager. lol

 

[TxJan1971]

I Seem to remember on Nancy Gracy that Elaine said that Mark texted her telling her that Dylan was missing.

Let me know if you can find that link/quote about "Texting". The quotes I have currently are that he "notified" her.
Thanks

 

[DylansMom34]

I wonder though if the cell phone battery was dead, why didn't Dylan recharge it and use the phone later Sunday or early Monday.

And if the battery went bad, I would think Dylan would be begging dad to get him a new battery (do they sell cell phone batteries at Walmart)??

 

[TxJan1971]

Great timeline! Thanks!!

Anyone else find the bolded statement odd?



Dylan was supposed to meet up with his FRIENDS IN BAYFIELD NOT HIS FRIEND IN VALLECITO correct? Why would Mark go to his friend's house in Vallecito, then become alarmed when he wasn't there?

I bolded it for a reason...

 

[TxLady2]

Three weeks ago today Elaine put her baby on a plane to his father and never saw him again. I just can't fathom how that happened or the hell she must be living in because of it. I remember sending my oldest off for visits with his dad. I knew I was going to get him back in need of a nap, a bath and a meal that didn't come from a drive thru window but I never had any doubts that I would get him back. That's the way it is supposed to work. You send your child off to a parent that loves them, misses them and spoils them rotten for the short time they have them then they return a happy, perhaps cranky child to you. What went wrong here?

It should be unthinkable that MR did something to his own child but sadly it isn't. We see it time and time again here. And it isn't just fathers that would rather kill their children than see their ex's happily move on with their lives. There is a break down in our culture that the system is failing to catch or address. It can't be allowed to continue.

In this case, if the reports are true then the warning signs were there. MR had a history of violence and at least one of his children was involved. Dylan, at 13 was expressing a desire to skip forced visits. The constant court proceedings should have been a huge red flag for control issues on one side and that alone should have triggered an investigation. Dylan was failed and now he is missing. Somebody is responsible for that and they need to be held accountable now.

Where is that precious child?


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This is just the point. The parents had shared custody for years, the divorce was 5 years ago. The custody had changed recently due to the mom moving several hours away. WHY would he have a motive to murder his son? It makes no sense!

All this talk of him having problems dealing with his ex moving on with her life is only speculation, it's not fact. They both admit they don't see eye-to-eye, but how many divorced couples do? If they all got along, they wouldn't be getting a divorce!

There is a history of violence but not towards his kids, only of his older son beating him up. Many men will hit and beat their wives but treat their children very well and would never dream of hurting one.

I don't get why the man would have any motive, that's all. Did he ever pursue getting full custody of Dylan?? Since he works out of town a lot, would he even want to have him there full time? It's not making sense to me.

 

[mck16]

Great timeline! Thanks!!

Anyone else find the bolded statement odd?



Dylan was supposed to meet up with his FRIENDS IN BAYFIELD NOT HIS FRIEND IN VALLECITO correct? Why would Mark go to his friend's house in Vallecito, then become alarmed when he wasn't there?

Maybe because they were closer. I don't know what do you think?

 

[katydid23]

I am really not trying to belabor the point of the cell phone being turned off but I didn't know it had been confirmed that the phone was shut off. Only that it was not active. Did we ever get confirmation that the battery did not just die?

I will tell you that this phone being unresponsive after 8:00 bothers me a lot, but if the phone was 'dead', and as I believe something happened to DR before he could get a new battery, it means nothing as to who or what happened to DR.

As a parent who has not been so perfect in the past, I don't want MR to be responsible. jmo

But I don't understand why he wouldn't just plug his cell into the charger, if it was dead.

And I really don't understand why it would be dead. He was on the plane, where he couldnt use it. And we have been told about a couple of calls/texts he made after dad picked him up, an d that's it. Flip phones can last pretty long on a charged battery, and I am pretty sure he left home with a full battery because his mom would make sure it was charged up, since he would be traveling alone. jmo

But even if it was dead, he had a charger. And I highly doubt that he was too tired to at least plug in his cell before he fell asleep.

 

[mmmagique]

It seems like it should be a simple question, eh? Was Dylan at Dad's? Why does it feel like LE is dodging it?

I just don't know how they could prove it either way. Unless dad had it on video, or someone stopped by. Or if Dylan made a call from the house phone and spoke to someone. Apparently none of those things happened, and there wasn't enough scent evidence (which apparently could be totally innocent) for the dogs.

So we're stuck with maybe he was there, and maybe he wasn't.

 

[DylansMom34]

Let me know if you can find that link/quote about "Texting". The quotes I have currently are that he "notified" her.
Thanks

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1212/03/ng.01.html

Its a little ways into Nancy asking questions of Elaine...

"GRACE: Everyone, taking your calls is Dylan`s mother. Now, Ms. Redwine, was -- did there come a time when you learned that Dylan was missing? How did that happen?

REDWINE: Well, his dad texted me at around, oh, 4:30. Maybe it was closer to 5:00 on Monday. And I texted him back. You know, it was like, Well, we should call the sheriff. So I went ahead and I actually called the sheriff that day. I don`t know if Mark had called the sheriff that day, either, but I called the sheriff right after I got the text from Mark.

I went to my house, picked up a bag, grabbed my oldest son, Corey (ph), and we came to Durango."

 

[TxJan1971]

I am really not trying to belabor the point of the cell phone being turned off but I didn't know it had been confirmed that the phone was shut off. Only that it was not active. Did we ever get confirmation that the battery did not just die?

I will tell you that this phone being unresponsive after 8:00 bothers me a lot, but if the phone was 'dead', and as I believe something happened to DR before he could get a new battery, it means nothing as to who or what happened to DR.

As a parent who has not been so perfect in the past, I don't want MR to be responsible. jmo

On the Missing Dylan Redwine Facebook page, under their timeline, it states:
Dylan's cell phone records have been checked. And his phone activity is monitored at all times. His phone has been turned off since Sunday night. GPS is not available on his phone.

That's all I have currently about the phone being turned off.

Am I allowed to include the link for that Facebook page for Dylan? If so, I will update and add.

 

[beach]

I'm still updating as we speak - so keep checking back to make sure you have the latest and/or if you have problems accessing it - I may be trying to reupload the latest version. I'll need another 15-20 minutes before I attempt that, but feel free to view it now.

On another note (and to be updated in my timeline) I also, just noticed in an article that Cheese recently posted that it verifies that MR's poly was inconclusive but could mean a number of things.

I hadn't read that in writing before, but here it is.

http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico/More-than-300-people-search-for-Dylan-Redwine/-/9153762/17707274/-/pj5977z/-/index.html?absolute=true

You take your time and update until your heart is content. I will check back as often as you ask me to.


All I ask is that you please not be shy and ever keep anything as valuable as that so secret again! LOL

I've seen a lot of timelines in my years here but yours may be the very best one I have ever seen! Complete with links and cites. Absolutely invaluable!

 

[Tonto]

Yes, this process is called deductive reasoning.

'Conjecture' is the appropriate word here. Or, 'baseless speculation' to be more apt.

 

[beach]

On the Missing Dylan Redwine Facebook page, under their timeline, it states:
Dylan's cell phone records have been checked. And his phone activity is monitored at all times. His phone has been turned off since Sunday night. GPS is not available on his phone.

That's all I have currently about the phone being turned off.

Am I allowed to include the link for that Facebook page for Dylan? If so, I will update and add.

Yes, linking the official Facebook page is fine. Here and in your timeline doc.

 

[TxJan1971]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1212/03/ng.01.html

Its a little ways into Nancy asking questions of Elaine...

"GRACE: Everyone, taking your calls is Dylan`s mother. Now, Ms. Redwine, was -- did there come a time when you learned that Dylan was missing? How did that happen?

REDWINE: Well, his dad texted me at around, oh, 4:30. Maybe it was closer to 5:00 on Monday. And I texted him back. You know, it was like, Well, we should call the sheriff. So I went ahead and I actually called the sheriff that day. I don`t know if Mark had called the sheriff that day, either, but I called the sheriff right after I got the text from Mark.

I went to my house, picked up a bag, grabbed my oldest son, Corey (ph), and we came to Durango."

THANK YOU! That's exactly what I was looking for. Will update accordingly.

 

[mck16]

But I don't understand why he wouldn't just plug his cell into the charger, if it was dead.

And I really don't understand why it would be dead. He was on the plane, where he couldnt use it. And we have been told about a couple of calls/texts he made after dad picked him up, an d that's it. Flip phones can last pretty long on a charged battery, and I am pretty sure he left home with a full battery because his mom would make sure it was charged up, since he would be traveling alone. jmo

But even if it was dead, he had a charger. And I highly doubt that he was too tired to at least plug in his cell before he fell asleep.

You are correct, but I was referring back to where his mother said his phone was old and sometimes when he texted it literally smoked. I did not mean his battery was dead I meant his phone was dead, gonedy as in would not work and would not hold a charge. jmo

And before anyone says that his dad would know that and not try to call him. That can be explained by my own personal experience thinking my batter was just dead when in fact the battery was gone. I did not know it until the next morning when I tried to get my phone off the charger and it was still a dead battery.

 

[jjenny]

I'm still updating as we speak - so keep checking back to make sure you have the latest and/or if you have problems accessing it - I may be trying to reupload the latest version. I'll need another 15-20 minutes before I attempt that, but feel free to view it now.

On another note (and to be updated in my timeline) I also, just noticed in an article that Cheese recently posted that it verifies that MR's poly was inconclusive but could mean a number of things.

I hadn't read that in writing before, but here it is.

http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico/More-than-300-people-search-for-Dylan-Redwine/-/9153762/17707274/-/pj5977z/-/index.html?absolute=true

I am not sure how credible this claim is. LE wasn't releasing the results of Lie Detector Tests. So where did they get this information? Nancy Grace show?

 

[TxLady2]

I saw La Plata SAR guy leave with MR, CR and some other men. IF one of the other men was undercover, they still had an ID'd LE with them.

A cop wouldn't have to be undercover to observe the family's actions or demeanor. I doubt that would be necessary. Never heard of an undercover cop being sent on searches for a missing person.
I remember years ago a case where the husband of a missing woman led searchers to her body, and was later arrested for her murder, but I don't know all the details. Sometimes they do participate in searches, but they probably realize they're being watched closely. Some people will show more suspicious behavior, it makes them nervous when they know someone is watching them, so they try TOO hard not to make mistakes.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

You are correct, but I was referring back to where his mother said his phone was old and sometimes when he texted it literally smoked. I did not mean his battery was dead I meant his phone was dead, gonedy as in would not work and would not hold a charge. jmo

And before anyone says that his dad would know that and not try to call him. That can be explained by my own personal experience thinking my batter was just dead when in fact the battery was gone. I did not know it until the next morning when I tried to get my phone off the charger and it was still a dead battery.

That's exactly how my iPhone bit the dust.