CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #13

[IHAVENOCLUE]

No, no. not again...remember the article should have said "Bayfield" not baseball.....'member, clue?

I think I'm going to bed too!!

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Oh Jeez..... I am so glad there are WSers brighter than I am on here!

I have deleted my original post that had the incorrect info!

:doh:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I must go to sleep now....

Thanks for all of your hard brain work trying to find Dylan, Fellow WS Peeps!

raying: tomorrow is the day he comes home!

fftobed:

 

[cluciano63]

I am discouraged. I do not think LE is any closer to finding Dylan than they ever were.

 

[kkdj]

We can discuss and debate but we can't out and out accuse. I don't see how anyone could come to the solid conclusion that MR did something to Dylan based on what we know. It's obviously an option to be considered and I don't understand anyone being offended by us considering this option.

I still question if Dylan ever made it to dads house.
I wish LE would let us know if there is evidence of that!

 

[jjenny]

When I question why 13-year old boys would want to get together at 6:30 am on a school holiday, fishing would be one of the first reasons to come to mind.
However, I've been guilty many times of going to my parents' lakehouse and suggesting that we get up early when the fish are biting. Then, when the time comes, I can't make myself get out of bed. I always have good intentions the night before, but I end up telling myself that the fish will still be there a few hours later.

It's possible that's what happened with Dylan. If he woke up to discover he was having phone problems, he could have grabbed his backpack and fishing pole and took off to hitch a ride. Maybe he didn't use MR's computer because it's password protected, and perhaps the idea of using a landline to call 411 for his friend's numbers just didn't occur to him. He may have actually liked the idea of hitchhiking because it made him feel "cool."
jmo

So he went fishing alone, without even telling his friends he is going to be late? I don't find that very believable. Everybody, including MR, seems to agree friends were very important to him.

 

[PaulR]

I am discouraged. I do not think LE is any closer to finding Dylan than they ever were.

I get that impression too but you got to keep the faith. For Dylan and his family.

 

[Confusion]

I see MR having a dig at ER

IMO in light of the situation I can understand ER making the comment that she originally did, its not something you would come out with for no reason.

I can't however in this situation see why he would be so negative towards ER, I mean Dylan was in his care and if the positions were reversed and he had gone missing while in ERs care then we would expect him to be negative toward her.

Are you saying that if someone had recently accused you of murdering your own child (even if it was a bit more subtle than that), and then said that you hadn't passed a lie detector test with nothing to back it up, you wouldn't be negative about them? You're obviously a much bigger person than I am. MOO

Yes, MR said it was spotty, ER says she hasn't had much trouble (paraphrasing), it was reported that texts go through, and MR has a computer (unsure who has access/passwords). Let me see if I can find a specific link(s).
<SNIP>

It's easy to say that texts always go through there when you're the one sending them TO the area rather than FROM it. I get the impression, which could be wrong, that any time she sends a text to MR there and either her text or his response doesn't go through, she just assumes he's avoiding her. MOO

 

[PaulR]

It's easy to say that texts always go through there when you're the one sending them TO the area rather than FROM it. I get the impression, which could be wrong, that any time she sends a text to MR there and either her text or his response doesn't go through, she just assumes he's avoiding her. MOO

The texts *should* get queued up. So if your phone is not receiving texts at the time, the cell phone company saves them for when your phone connects to a tower. Similarly, if you send a text but don't have service, the phone will send it once it can connect to a tower.

That being said...
http://www.mobilemarketingwatch.com/study-80-of-sms-mms-users-report-dropped-texts-5891/

The survey, sponsored by Telcordia, revealed 82% of respondents said they’d suffered a dropped SMS or MMS message in the past 12 months. What’s interesting is that the sample size for the study was huge- not a few hundred people as some surveys sample. The respondents represented mobile users in more than 75 countries.

 

[jjenny]

Maybe it is the fact that there have been no press conferences and no opportunity for the parents to get in front of the local media to plead for their son's safe return that is making me feel this way?

MOO

There was an interview with the father. A reporter asked him to specifically address Dylan. Father said one sentence, then started talking about Dylan in a past tense.

 

[jennapuppy]

So he went fishing alone, without even telling his friends he is going to be late? I don't find that very believable. Everybody, including MR, seems to agree friends were very important to him.

No, I believe it's possible he set out to get a ride to his friend's house, but never made it that far.

I also believe it's possible that something could have happened as a result of an argument that got out of hand. AFAIK cadaver dogs haven't hit on MR's truck or home and I don't really have a good explanation for that, either.
imo

 

[Confusion]

The texts *should* get queued up. So if your phone is not receiving texts at the time, the cell phone company saves them for when your phone connects to a tower. Similarly, if you send a text but don't have service, the phone will send it once it can connect to a tower.

That being said...
http://www.mobilemarketingwatch.com/study-80-of-sms-mms-users-report-dropped-texts-5891/

Thanks. I sometimes consider myself to be "tech savvy", until the subject of cell phones comes up. I know email, instant messages, or just about anything sent from a computer can be lost. I had a cell phone for a few years, and other than the camera, I think I used it a total of about 30 minutes. I'm definitely not an expert. :blushing:

 

[mck16]

The texts *should* get queued up. So if your phone is not receiving texts at the time, the cell phone company saves them for when your phone connects to a tower. Similarly, if you send a text but don't have service, the phone will send it once it can connect to a tower.

That being said...
http://www.mobilemarketingwatch.com/study-80-of-sms-mms-users-report-dropped-texts-5891/

So if what I am understanding you are saying, texts can be delayed and not received in a timely fashion. I have experienced this myself.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Are you saying that if someone had recently accused you of murdering your own child (even if it was a bit more subtle than that), and then said that you hadn't passed a lie detector test with nothing to back it up, you wouldn't be negative about them? You're obviously a much bigger person than I am. MOO


It's easy to say that texts always go through there when you're the one sending them TO the area rather than FROM it. I get the impression, which could be wrong, that any time she sends a text to MR there and either her text or his response doesn't go through, she just assumes he's avoiding her. MOO

I'm saying that I would understand where they are coming from, particularly if there were previous incidences of violence and a recent custody case, I wouldn't like it but I would certainly understand it. I'd also be a hell of a lot more emotional than MR comes across as.

As far as ER saying that he hadn't passed was that actually what she said? or was she fumbling for answers and didn't know what to say, ie I don't know, maybe, IMO she was like a deer in the headlights when that was asked and NG was the one who said he hadn't passed.

 

[jennapuppy]

I'm saying that I would understand where they are coming from, particularly if there were previous incidences of violence and a recent custody case, I wouldn't like it but I would certainly understand it. I'd also be a hell of a lot more emotional than MR comes across as.

As far as ER saying that he hadn't passed was that actually what she said? or was she fumbling for answers and didn't know what to say, ie I don't know, maybe, IMO she was like a deer in the headlights when that was asked and
NG was the one who said he hadn't passed.

Actually, NG said to ER:
Didn't you tell my producers that MR didn't pass?

It seemed to me that she may have told them that prior to the show, had since thought better of it, and was trying to backpedal. She may have told them that MR failed, only to find out that "inconclusive" doesn't mean "failed" and was trying to take it back without copping to it.
imo

 

[jjenny]

No, I believe it's possible he set out to get a ride to his friend's house, but never made it that far.

I also believe it's possible that something could have happened as a result of an argument that got out of hand. AFAIK cadaver dogs haven't hit on MR's truck or home and I don't really have a good explanation for that, either.
imo

How do we know what cadaver dogs did or didn't do in truck or home? Police never said anything about that, as far as I know.

 

[Confusion]

I'm saying that I would understand where they are coming from, particularly if there were previous incidences of violence and a recent custody case, I wouldn't like it but I would certainly understand it. I'd also be a hell of a lot more emotional than MR comes across as.

As far as ER saying that he hadn't passed was that actually what she said? or was she fumbling for answers and didn't know what to say, ie I don't know, maybe, IMO she was like a deer in the headlights when that was asked and NG was the one who said he hadn't passed.

After changing her story a few times, she said his was inconclusive - which means he didn't PASS. <modsnip> that it also means that he didn't FAIL. MOO

 

[PaulR]

How do we know what cadaver dogs did or didn't do in truck or home? Police never said anything about that, as far as I know.

If cadaver dogs hit, the police may not be making any statements but I doubt they would have let MR be "on the ground" during the search yesterday, even supervised, because of concern that any evidence would be contaminated.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Is there a way to do that in taptalk?

I'm quite certain this reply is waaaay late to the game and irrelevant at this point but I'm gonna say it anyway for future reference for all the iPhone websleuthers who wanna get in on the blogtalkradio shows...

Tho, I've not seen a way to listen via the Tapatalk app it is however easily listenable just thru the plain ol' Safari browser on any iPhone.. just go to the blogtalkradio link and scroll down to LISTEN TO SHOW and click on it.. it will automatically redirect the audio show thru your phones QuickTime player.. I also was able to actually log in and post to the shows live chat room as well..

anyhoo just thought I'd pass along the info for any who may not know how or even be aware you can actually listen and participate in the blogtalkradio show from your iPhone(and to clarify I was able to do so from both my model 3GS and iPhone 4)

Not to mention that every kid in the area was off school that day and the only one that was abducted was the one who just got there on a flight the night before. To supposedly reluctantly visit with a father who just fought for that visitation in court. Even though people saw other kids in the area that day, it just happened to be Dylan with the dead battery in his cell phone that was picked up in his t-shirt and shorts while walking down the road carrying a fishing pole.

That's a strange coincidence. Possible I suppose, just strange.

MOO

Yes, once again some extraordinary circumstances and bad luck beyond reason..jmo..

Well I thought we had a postal worker who saw someone who looked like Dylan. So would the postal worker have been delivering to roadside mailboxes? Wonder what time that was?

MOO

Regarding the point you make about it being dylan out of all the kids in the area, that were out of school, and out and about that day..

there was more than just the couple of kids seen by the postal worker.. there were also sightings of young male joggers, and one other that i can think of off top of my head of a reported sighting of young male that was right around same time/area of the guy seen jogging..

And these are just the few that we, THE NATIONAL/INTERNATIONAL PUBLIC caught wind of..not to mention these were JUST THE ONES THAT WERE MISTAKEN FOR DYLAN(as in that is the sheer purpose the public reporting the sighting) ...

the point is IMO the question of well how many kids were "seen" that day? out and about?..walking around?.. this question IMO is nonsensical.. we don't have a report on how many kids were seen walking around town that day.. of course we don't:crazy:.. we have some reports of kids seen that looked like and/or were believed to be Dylan that day..and heck, there's even multiple of those.. but can you imagine how many kids there actually was walking around these areas that day due to the fact that they were OUT OF SCHOOL for Thanksgiving break??... ALOT!.. again the only ones reported, AND FOR THE ONLY REASON THEY WERE REPORTED is because they were believed to possibly have been Dylan..

so, yes its simply amazing that out of all the kids out and about that day that it was Dylan that's vanished(and for the multiple reasons that you state in your above post I'll not again repeat them all)...

impossible?... of course not... another issue that gives you pause in an ever growing list of many?..yes..

Marc's thoughts on Dylan's case -

I've followed this case. I am very disturbed by the father's behavior. He seems to have a violent temper. I am not comfortable with his "I don't want to do media" - that should not have anything to do with the investigation. He is making it very, very difficult to remove himself as a suspect.

and against what some may believe Marc Klaas as an uninvolved individual of the case, with no dog in this race, has zero cause to say anything anti-Mark, nor pro-Mark.. his is simply an unbiased, objective opinion with decades of experience in these exact situations..

there is no Team Mark or Team anti-Mark as it seems some imply.. these people(such as Marc Klaas) have zero cause or motivation to speak anything other than their genuine honest observations and opinions about this case.. THE ONLY TEAM IS TEAM DYLAN, PERIOD..

and IMO its with good reason that there are so many whose objective opinions are that there are red flags and issues of concern WRT Mark Redwine.. there is no secret conspiracy going on of people "wanting" Mark to be guilty.. in fact speaking for myself I desperately want it not to be Mark Redwine that has harmed and taken Dylan from this world(jmo).. this young man's very own daddy.. that makes me hurt even worse for Dylan .. Dad is actually the last person that I want it to be that is responsible..jmo.

 

[jennapuppy]

How do we know what cadaver dogs did or didn't do in truck or home? Police never said anything about that, as far as I know.

That is why I said AFAIK.
They did tell us about the hits at the lake.
jmo

 

[sorrell skye]

Protecting the Gift is a phenomenal read. Seriously.

I agree - as is The Gift of Fear, both by Gavin de Becker. The man is brilliant.