CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #14

[asyousay]

Has this been answered in the early threads ?

If MR knew how important his friends were to Dylan then why was he not allowed to visit them the first night when Dylan had already made plans with them?

He keeps stating that they was important to him yet the first night did Dylan not cancel his plans ?

 

[LotusPawprint]

How could there be a link? Not being snarky, but if MR is the only one who says the pole is missing, who else could there be to confirm that? I don't think there is any MSM link saying there ISN'T a fishing pole. And LE certainly hasn't said there was no fishing pole. So without any way to obtain independent confirmation, all we can do is either accept or reject MR's statement about the fishing pole, IMO.

Obviously some of us reject outright anything MR says, others accept what he says, and some are sitting on the fence waiting for more evidence. JMO

Right. Obviously some accept everything and other reject everything, and some think it's important to look at what he says in the context and assess the validity and consistency.


I found the comment I was looking for,

Mark Redwine said Sunday that he hadn't been able to find the boy's fishing rod.

"I question why it has taken this long to start scouring the lake because from Day One they have known it is likely he had a fishing pole with him"

So, as you point out, nobody else can confirm that the fishing pole is or isn't missing. I'll take MR's word based on the above quote that "it is likely he had a fishing pole with him". We haven't heard anything about from MR backtracking on the fishing pole, saying "yes, I've accounted for it, I overlooked his fishing pole... scratch that, he didn't take off with it, he wasn't abducted with it."

LE identified the fishing pole at the Lake MR was concerned about as belonging to someone else. So Dylan's fishing pole isn't the one at the lake, hasn't been found anywhere else, or is still missing along with him and LE doesn't think that's important to note when alerting the public (MISSING CHILD: Last seen wearing Black Jordan Tennis shoes and seen with fishing pole).

Therefore I'm not sure if I should full on embrace Mr Redwine's statement about the fishing pole or proceed with caution as I think is only appropriate when looking at the rest of his incomplete out-of-focus picture.

JMO.

 

[MissJ]

Why would Dad report the fishing pole as missing if it weren't true?

a way to "prove" Dylan had arrived at his father's home? MOO

 

[cluciano63]

a way to "prove" Dylan had arrived at his father's home? MOO

But I don't think Dylan traveled with a fishing pole; no sign of one in the airport photo.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

a way to "prove" Dylan had arrived at his father's home? MOO

Implying that the fact that it got back to dad's (and then went missing again) would serve to "prove" that Dylan made it back to dad's?

Wouldn't it be wiser to just bring the fishing pole home? :waitasec:

 

[jdmyangel]

jumping in a gain every once in awhile--i still wonder if the fishing pole is something that was bought even over labor day with DR visit and MR just happened to see it missing--LE probably asked if he noticed anything missing--if he is gone alot maybe he never noticed it before--i wonder myself if it is connected to DR at all--i dont think so

also wanted to comment (and i am unsure how to link to much but i know it was in the 2nd interview ER had with NG) she states that DR would usually text her wherever he crashed for the night--gives me the impression that he didnt have a lot of rules--no not saying anything bad about anyone parent wise but to say he would text to let her know where he crashed, layed for the night just sounds like not alot of supervision--and makes me think that DR probably would just go off to see he is friends and just up and go. and would explain some to me why just grab his backpack--mayybe that was normal routine

as for the cellphone--i could see him DR putting it in his backpack before going into walmart--went back to MR and crashed for the night--probably didnt cross his mind--i guess i tend to think we are talking about a teenager

as for how or why he left--i first wonder if he got up, ate, and heard a truck he thought was dads---grabbed his bag and its contents, leaving house a mess, tv on--went outside and realized it wasnt dad and maybe someone he knew, etc and either hopped in the vehicle and or was taken--idk jsut speculation---maybe after being outside he decided to walk

as for the "search" and where it took place--again i not sure how to link articles sorry--but one of the last ones about the search talked about possible abduction and DR throwing stuff out of the car, or hiding in bushes--could LE have found something on one of the videos someone turned in??? from that direction

all this is just my thoughts and my opinion only

 

[MissJ]

If he took a fishing pole from Dad's home it means he actually arrived there. I didn;t mean that he brought it with him. MOO

 

[Bravo]

There has been no confirmation Dylan travelled with a fishing pole. Dad made the statement it was missing. We assume from Dads house. One can interpret Dads statement a coupla ways.

 

[Bravo]

If he took a fishing pole from Dad's home it means he actually arrived there. I didn;t mean that he brought it with him. MOO

I figured thats what you meant :seeya:

 

[LotusPawprint]

Thank You

i do not want people to think i made that up. As i thought i had read about a missing fishing pole.

Sorry! I didn't mean to insinaute you were making it up! I know he mentioned it, but he didn't say anything until the day LE happened to be searching the Lake, and it's never been mentioned again -- other than a few days later LE confirmed that the fishing pole found at the Lake was confirmed to be someone else's.

I think if a kid was abducted with a fishing pole, it may have been mentioned when describing him as what he had on his person. They can't even confirm what shirt he was definitively wearing, if he had a FISHING POLE I'd think that might help someone ID him. But my apologies to you, no bad intentions.

 

[Confusion]

Do you think those potentially involved would confess?

A random offender unknown and unsuspected by LE seems to have a pretty good secret at this point. Then again perps often get arrogant, liquored up and brag.
I'm afraid that if anyone does ever confess (somehow displaying a conscience), the lack of evidence will work in his (or her) favor and his supporters and attorneys will claim duress and public opinion and pressure caused a false confession. imo only.

eta: also if this was a random stranger abduction by a SO (NOT one of the RSO's checked and cleared by LE) or some sick violent predator in or around the community, they would eventually have to ughh I don't want to type it. Please finish my sentence as it makes me ill to think it. He would eventually be discovered, somwhere in some form. But with no evidence or trace of Dylan to dad's, at dad's or from dad's (that we know of) it does seem like Dylan just disappeared off the face of the earth so I'm not sure how this will be resolved, like you said without a confession.

I would hope that if LE is as incompetent as everyone seems to think - knowing no more than what they've released to the press - that the case will be solved by someone confessing rather than repeating the crime with a new victim. I'd like even more to have it solved by Dylan returning home.

But dad was a half an hour late. Don't you call or text if you are not going to be there at a certain time as promised?

Especially, in this specific situation, as Dylan had just arrived the previous night. It was not a routine thing for him to be there, especially alone. And he was supposedly out like a light when dad left. And dad knew he was stranded there, and had missed his ride to town, and would probably be worried about that when he woke up.

I agree with you that in normal circumstances it might not be important to check in with a 13 yr old home alone. But this was an unusual situation, imo.

And dad was running late, as he didn't get back until 11:30. So didn't Dylan deserve a quick call to say he was on the way? I just don't understand why there was no contact between them, and then no urgent concern when he found the home empty.

For one thing, I've never seen that MR is addicted to texting/cell phones. If I were running a little bit late (within 1/2 hour when I said I'd be gone about 3.5 hours) I wouldn't bother calling unless I had no idea when I'd get there. Who knows what it would take to get him to call/text?

What about the other half of the order? That Elaine not drink in the presence of the children?

I actually understood that differently than most people did, but I probably had it wrong. I thought it said that she wasn't allowed to be around the children while drinking or to drive them (not drive them while drinking). I'll have to go back and look at it again.

Has this been answered in the early threads ?

If MR knew how important his friends were to Dylan then why was he not allowed to visit them the first night when Dylan had already made plans with them?

He keeps stating that they was important to him yet the first night did Dylan not cancel his plans ?

Yes, it has been answered several times.

 

[mck16]

jumping in a gain every once in awhile--i still wonder if the fishing pole is something that was bought even over labor day with DR visit and MR just happened to see it missing--LE probably asked if he noticed anything missing--if he is gone alot maybe he never noticed it before--i wonder myself if it is connected to DR at all--i dont think so

also wanted to comment (and i am unsure how to link to much but i know it was in the 2nd interview ER had with NG) she states that DR would usually text her wherever he crashed for the night--gives me the impression that he didnt have a lot of rules--no not saying anything bad about anyone parent wise but to say he would text to let her know where he crashed, layed for the night just sounds like not alot of supervision--and makes me think that DR probably would just go off to see he is friends and just up and go. and would explain some to me why just grab his backpack--mayybe that was normal routine

as for the cellphone--i could see him DR putting it in his backpack before going into walmart--went back to MR and crashed for the night--probably didnt cross his mind--i guess i tend to think we are talking about a teenager

as for how or why he left--i first wonder if he got up, ate, and heard a truck he thought was dads---grabbed his bag and its contents, leaving house a mess, tv on--went outside and realized it wasnt dad and maybe someone he knew, etc and either hopped in the vehicle and or was taken--idk jsut speculation---maybe after being outside he decided to walk

as for the "search" and where it took place--again i not sure how to link articles sorry--but one of the last ones about the search talked about possible abduction and DR throwing stuff out of the car, or hiding in bushes--could LE have found something on one of the videos someone turned in??? from that direction

all this is just my thoughts and my opinion only

I think any new ideas or speculation is great. Any direction to ponder. As I was reading I also thought about this. It has bothered me everyone talking about a fishing pole. MR distinctly said in his recount that he told LE DR's "rod" was missing. Now a fly rod is very different than a fishing pole. They are very expensive and can cost hundreds of dollars. So, what if a common thief was in the area and knowing MR was gone alot, he was breaking into the garage, storage area whatever, and DR heard him. Went out to investigate and encountered this person. The perp would not only take the fly rod, but probably the back pack and phone, and Dylan. He would head out and no telling where he drove. Just a thought and another possibility. jmo

 

[katydid23]

I have no link but i keep reading on here about a fishing pole. I thought MR said a fishing pole was missing , can anybody confirm this please ?

MR did say that Dylans fishing pole was missing. We don't know if that is true, but he has made the statement.

 

[tiredblondy]

I know I'm not typical of an adult, and I'm definitely not a 13 year old. I always talk to my birds after I cover their cages at night to calm them down so they go to sleep. Last night I sat on the loveseat next to the cages and talked for a couple minutes, and the next thing I knew it was almost 13 hours later. Sometimes when you're overtired or under the weather (like staying up most of the night when you aren't used to it), you end up sleeping a lot more than you would under normal circumstances.

Being here all night is hard isn't it??? :floorlaugh::angel:

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I would think that he would report it missing if it weren't true to change the focus.

Yes if he is the one that did something to Dylan. I meant if he didn't why would he report it if it weren't true?

 

[LotusPawprint]

I would hope that if LE is as incompetent as everyone seems to think - knowing no more than what they've released to the press - that the case will be solved by someone confessing rather than repeating the crime with a new victim. I'd like even more to have it solved by Dylan returning home.

I don't think everyone thinks LE is so incompetent.

I think many believe they are keeping their cards close to the vest, as Sgt Bender said on the day MR's home and vehicles were searched. I think most people are just frustrated and wish more could be done. I think LE is quite competent.

I also think if this goes unsolved it's not due to LE's incompetance but a perp who had plenty of time and ideal terrain to commit a crime and distance him or herself.

 

[gryphon]

I'm curious if any areas outside of the Durango/Bayfield/Vallecito routes have been explored/searched.

I think given the unaccounted time periods, it is very likely that areas maybe even in the opposite direction are possible crime scene locations.

Of course, that entire area has so many mountains, hills, lakes and rivers and there is so much area that is pretty much wide open with no homes around for miles, the chances of finding anything are probably extremely slim.

Just north of Vallecito is the Weminuche Wilderness it is 488,210 acres large. All through the area north of hwy 160, there are roads leading up into it.
Whenever I am in the area i often remark it would be a great place to hide a body, where it would never be found.

But I was wondering if the area around the Vallecito creek has been searched. It makes more sense to me since it is closer to the house than the Lake is, if Dylan set out to do some fishing that that is where is set off to. Was the fishing pole, a fly pole?

 

[Confusion]

I don't think everyone thinks LE is so incompetent.

I think many believe they are keeping their cards close to the vest, as Sgt Bender said on the day MR's home and vehicles were searched. I think most people are just frustrated and wish more could be done. I think LE is quite competent.

I also think if this goes unsolved it's not due to LE's incompetance but a perp who had plenty of time and ideal terrain to commit a crime and distance him or herself.

You're right, "everyone" was a generalization, and you should "NEVER" use them. :blushing: I just hope the reason he or she had all that time isn't because everyone has been so focused on MR that they don't bother calling in tips that have nothing to do with him. :twocents:

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I think any new ideas or speculation is great. Any direction to ponder. As I was reading I also thought about this. It has bothered me everyone talking about a fishing pole. MR distinctly said in his recount that he told LE DR's "rod" was missing. Now a fly rod is very different than a fishing pole. They are very expensive and can cost hundreds of dollars. So, what if a common thief was in the area and knowing MR was gone alot, he was breaking into the garage, storage area whatever, and DR heard him. Went out to investigate and encountered this person. The perp would not only take the fly rod, but probably the back pack and phone, and Dylan. He would head out and no telling where he drove. Just a thought and another possibility. jmo

Would the perp really take the backpack and phone in this scenario? Why?

 

[LotusPawprint]

You're right, "everyone" was a generalization, and you should "NEVER" use them. :blushing: I just hope the reason he or she had all that time isn't because everyone has been so focused on MR that they don't bother calling in tips that have nothing to do with him. :twocents:

I'm 100% confident that almost everyone who either has a very strong opinion or no opinion at all on MR definetly wants Dylan found safe and will undoubtedly call in all tips regardless of personal bias. Despite all of our extreme differences everyone requires Dylan's safe return, no exceptions.
And yes, I too hate generalizations and strong extreme language! :floorlaugh: