CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #15

[aust amateur slueth]

does anyone think its worth thinking about

the search last weekend being conducted between durango and vallecito
the knowledge that there was no phone activity after 8pm
last known sighting of Dylan being Walmart (to our knowledge)

is it safe to assume that the text to Dylans Mom at 7.06 was probably before walmart?

thinking about travelling time with the stops they made walmart (confirmed sighting) and McD's (no confirmation yet)

could they have got back to vallecito by 8pm ?

 

[vasportsmom]

There were some MAJOR auto complete typos there!!! My apologies! One word in particular I did not type... I typed HE... not sure where. the J word came in... he is an atheist actually as in not what was auto typed there...
PLEASE. disregard that word !!!

Lol, no worries. I went back and corrected it in my post to match your edit.


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[Ransom]

And the investigators, apparently, told the FB administrator, in a phone interview and update, that NOTHING was left behind, and Dylan had everything with him when he went missing. So I don't know what to make of dad's recent disclosure that Dylan left some clothing behind on the couch.

Oh goody! FB peeps have the "in". LMAO

http://www.9news.com/news/article/304734/207/-Dylan-Redwine-Facebook-page-to-be-deleted
9:30 PM, Dec 12, 2012 ....added by ME ... MST

OH snap.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Oh goody! FB peeps have the "in". LMAO

http://www.9news.com/news/article/304734/207/-Dylan-Redwine-Facebook-page-to-be-deleted
9:30 PM, Dec 12, 2012 ....added by ME ... MST

OH snap.

to be fair that article does state that they want the other community page to be the focus

the community page they want focus on is Find Missing Dylan Redwine, it's totally seperate to the one with CMCF in the name.

when did the story change from no clothes left behind to there were clothes left?

I know originally it was nothing left behind

 

[Kamille]

does anyone think its worth thinking about

the search last weekend being conducted between durango and vallecito
the knowledge that there was no phone activity after 8pm
last known sighting of Dylan being Walmart (to our knowledge)

is it safe to assume that the text to Dylans Mom at 7.06 was probably before walmart?

thinking about travelling time with the stops they made walmart (confirmed sighting) and McD's (no confirmation yet)

could they have got back to vallecito by 8pm ?

The plane supposedly came in around 6pm. Dylan only had a backpack so no checked luggage. I would imagine they were out of the airport pretty quick. I'd say 6:30pm at the latest? But then I don't know how quickly passengers can disembark and clear an airport that small. Maybe even before 6:30pm? It's about a 15 minute drive to the Walmart. No idea how long they were in there. Then there was the McDonald's trip. We don't know if that was an eat in or drive through trip. And then it's about an hour? to Vallecito from there?

Personally I don't think they had the time to actually be at the house by 8pm. My guess would be they were still on the road headed toward the house at this time.

MOO

ETA: The text to Dylan's mom was in response to a text she had sent him. He may not have turned his phone on after turning it off on the plane until around 7pm after arriving in Durango. He probably responded to her text as soon as he did turn the phone on.

 

[ICUDOUCME]

does anyone think its worth thinking about

the search last weekend being conducted between durango and vallecito
the knowledge that there was no phone activity after 8pm
last known sighting of Dylan being Walmart (to our knowledge)

is it safe to assume that the text to Dylans Mom at 7.06 was probably before walmart?

thinking about travelling time with the stops they made walmart (confirmed sighting) and McD's (no confirmation yet)

could they have got back to vallecito by 8pm ?

I do not believe that they could of made it back to MR by 8pm....maybe 8:30 or so, but not 8pm. Walmart takes awhile, and McDonalds is a bit further into town...several lights something like 3 or 4....plus a bit of traffic, and if the time was 7:06pm and they were still at the airport, then for sure no way!

 

[rachaellouise]

It worries me that dad can't even get basic facts about his time it's Dylan and what was taken straight...

 

[ICUDOUCME]

does anyone think its worth thinking about

the search last weekend being conducted between durango and vallecito
the knowledge that there was no phone activity after 8pm
last known sighting of Dylan being Walmart (to our knowledge)

is it safe to assume that the text to Dylans Mom at 7.06 was probably before walmart?

thinking about travelling time with the stops they made walmart (confirmed sighting) and McD's (no confirmation yet)

could they have got back to vallecito by 8pm ?

One thing I want to know is this, that McDonalds is across the street from the drive up at a local bank, you know they have cameras there...did it not capture any cars going into McDonalds...also if it was drive up, I am pretty sure they have video cameras in McDonalds at the drive threw, to prevent robbery....this being said, the only way I think they wouldn't have it confirmed is if they went inside McDonalds.

 

[nikb]

Don't ask me, I was just responding to someone saying you had to be a certain age...as far as that thought....I don't think it is at all the deal....

I do however know one thing, you can't have multiple FB accounts(didn't someone say he has 4)without a different email for each one.....4 email accounts that is crazy...I have hard enough time with one.

I may be nuts... lol... but I have 8 email accounts. 3 used regularly... the rest are for online confirms, shopping, one's because Google forced me to sign up to get to something I wanted to see, one's for a blog I subscribe to that sends wayyyy too many notifications, etc. Attached to those I have 4 different FB accounts. I only use one of them, the others are just there with a note saying "please friend me at [main account]" in case people find me via an outdated address book.

In terms of FB accounts I think you technically have to be 13 or 14 but I've known of kids that get on there much earlier. It's just a check box.

 

[nikb]

I thought mom said her plan was Verizon? Probably doesn't matter though...

IMO the phone matters more than the plan. I've been at a few locations where others had the exact same plan I do but different phones, and theirs will work fine while mine will only work if I stand sideways and upside-down with the phone at the exact perfect angle...

 

[ICUDOUCME]

Oh OOH oHHHHHH I just had this flash, thinking about truck drivers(if indeed MR is one)if he is having to keep logs of drive times, I wonder what his logs look like? Wonder if one of those trucks is a company truck? Wouldn't make since really two have two different ones(some would say it does, but I would think he would need money more than two trucks).

 

[ICUDOUCME]

I'm not going to lie we don't really have any decent phone companies out here, that have good reception out that way....Oilfield works have to have boosters installed to even be able to use there phones out in Vallecito,Bayfield,Durango...and other areas.

 

[koalabear]

Have LE checked the roads between the airport and MR's house, or between the last stop at Walmart and the house. I'm thinking he never made it to MR's house, there is just no one to back that up.

 

[katydid23]

At my place, my sister's and many others I know of, you never know if you'll have service until you try. I know there are times when my sister calls and the sound is crystal clear, at other times it's a garbled mess with a lot of static and/or echos, sometimes she'll talk for an hour+ with no problems, while at other times she'll have to call back a half dozen times for a 5 minute call. These are all from her apartment. The same thing is true here. People at my place will sometimes try to make a call and have to go outside on the patio or out the front door to get any connection, at other times it works fine from anywhere in here. A lot of things can affect the reception/signal at any given place; one of the biggest here is weather.

Ok, so riddle me this. If you were worried about your missing kid, and you were at your sisters house, would you text your kid and wait for your kid to reply, BEFORE you began looking for them?

I mean if you knew that the reception was iffy, would you wait 5 hrs to see if your kid was safe and sound?

Because people are saying there is spotty or no reception at dad's house. If so, then why did he stay there from 11:30 until 4, trying to text his kid to check on him?

 

[SmoothOperator]

The confusing thing is that dad said he was at home and texting Dylan on Monday afternooon, and after not hearing anything back, he went to check it out at 4 pm-ish. So it seems that Dad had some cell reception, as he was relying upon it to find out if Dylan was safe and sound.

correct IMO.. while there is obviously not excellent reception(full bars as we call it..lol) at dad's home there is reception..just as you mention above dad(who lives there full time and would be very aware of the reception capabilities) from his home was texting Dylan's cell phone throughout the afternoon of Monday, 11/19.. we also have mom, Elaine's pointed answer about this specific issue and that in her experience the reception was uninterrupted for text messaging/SMS, but that actual phone calls were not as reliable in that area..

**I will note for importance the following before further explaining**

THE KEY POINT HERE IS THAT THERE IS SUCCESSFULL TEXT MESSAGING WHICH MEANS THERE IS SUCCESSFUL PINGING FROM DADS HOUSE..


So, now here I go again about pings as its related to reception.. among other times pinging occurs during the transmission of cell phone text messages.. in my opinion having a good basis for what type reception was available in this area and that it was sufficient for text messaging to be successfully sent/received ... this means that pinging is/was successfully occurring as well.

Therefor Dylan's cell phone records from his service provider will be able to give NOT ONLY when the last communication occurred from Dylan's cell phone(ie. the exact time and specific communication type<phonecall or text message>).. the records will also be able to give the EXACT TIME AND EXACT LOCATION of where the last ping was detected from Dylan's cell phone.

Now let me be clear that the actual last ping may NOT be representative of the EXACT LOCATION of where the phone was at when it was rendered no longer operable.. this simply due firstly, that pings are not as pinpoint specific as GPS is in giving a location, and secondly that the areas traveled through on the night of 11/18 are more rural areas, with less amount of cell phone towers for the cell phone to ping off of(ie. this the exact reason for less than perfect reception).. and due to there being less towers, less ping triangulation available, then the last ping from the phone will not be AS ACCURATE AS AN AREA WITH MORE CELL TOWERS AND BETTER RECEPTION.

in the end tho, the point remains that there will be an exact time and location of the last cell phone tower that Dylan's phone pinged the night of 11/18 which will give at least a general idea of where the phone was at immediately preceding its for whatever reason becoming permanently inoperable.

 

[Confusion]

I think triangulation as we know it, would be hard here...off tower 1 or tower 2?? I'm not ever sure how far reaching (miles/area) each tower covers.

But if someone is pinging off a tower but said they were in a "no service" area at the time...that would probably be not telling the truth.

Hope what I said is accurate but I know you guys will let me know if not :seeya:

Triangulation requires 3 towers, usually within about 12-15 miles of each other. What it does is look at the signal received back from a phone and compare the strength at each of the 3 towers. The closer it is to the tower, the stronger the signal. I don't believe it can pinpoint the exact location of the phone, but I think it can get within about 100 feet. MOO

 

[katydid23]

You don't have to yell.

I'm kind of curious how this is relevant anyway since police have said that DR's phone hadn't connected to a cell tower since 8pm the last night, so even if MR did have "4 bars" at his place, none of the texts he sent could have been responded to by DR, who is the person he was trying to contact.

ANYWAY - MR/ER have both said that there is cell service at his house but that it is spotty. Phone calls have issues, texts go through but SMS messages can be and probably are delayed due to propagation issues from the nearest cell tower to MR's house. If there was an extended propagation issue then MR could conceivably have been without the ability to send/receive texts for a few hours and not known. As far as he is concerned as a user of a cell phone, he DID send a text and did not receive anything, but MR does not strike me as being "tech saavy" enough to realize if it was due to (a) his phone not being able to send messages to a cell tower, (b) his phone not being able to receive messages queued up at the cell tower, or (c) Dylan not answering for some reason (unwilling or unable.)

And there are lots of reasons why propagation can fail, I have my amateur radio license (general so I'm familiar with various frequency band issues) and can post links if people are interested.

Sorry, I was not meaning to yell, it was to differentiate the final statement.

I guess I am not doing a good job of trying to clarify my point. I am not really talking about cell service. I am talking about dad's decision to begin texting his son and to WAIT for a reply, to decide if he was safe or not. My point is, IF as dad says, he was waiting to hear from Dylan, as a way to see if he made it to town, then it follows that dad believes his cell phone is going to work. Right?

Why would he spend 5 hrs waiting for a reply to his texts if there was no cell reception there?

eta: I don't agree that MR was not tech savvy enough to know if he could receive texts at his home or not. JMO

 

[scorekeeper]

BBM = Bull snot. No "originally" said that.

You are incorrect. IMO IF you want to go by what ER said in the press/NG ... then that's your belief/opinion. Nothing is wrong with YOUR opinion.

IF you've read what I have posted: ONLY ER (and some unnamed source said that: surmised/told/ take your pick??????) ... about the "clothes".

GAH!!!! I'm about to give up. Those that think MR is the evil/killed/covered his part/parcel in Dylan Redwine's death/disappearance ... have at it... as some have done since day 1 when WS found out DR was missing.
JMO and the untold links I have posted

Ransom,

I always read your posts and follow your links. Do you have any theories as to what you think may have happened to Dylan? I'm not trying to put you on the spot but would like to hear what your opinions are. You don't have to answer.

TIA:seeya:

 

[cluciano63]

Often, one can get a feel for the direction LE is leaning, but not this time. They don't mind leaving MR twisting in the wind, which just may be their procedure, or may be meaningful, no way of knowing. They are not really reacting, IMO, as though a dangerous predator came through town and snatched Dylan off the streets.

I guess the LE in Jessica's case spoiled us; we the public were kept advised, aware when the parents were cleared, and as soon as LE knew there was a predator on the loose. And none of their revelations hurt their attempts to make an arrest.

LE needs to be doing what is best for Dylan; I hope they are. I hope they are not following some manual that tells them to keep all info "top secret". I hope they know, or learn soon, what might be helpful to share and could bring results. Right now my level of comfort that Dylan will be found anytime soon is at zero.

 

[nikb]

I'm with you. I have never seen anywhere except here that basically "every single thing" DR came to his dad's house with was missing, or that no clothes were at the dad's house, or that he left "nothing" behind. It also took me a bit to realize that the phone and charger might not necessarily be together or be with Dylan, so who knows... They aren't at the house but that doesn't mean anyone knows where they are or if they're with Dylan. Certainly lots of possibilities IMO.

Just for the record I think MR might or might not be involved. I won't be shocked if he is, but I won't be shocked if he isn't (though I will feel very bad for him given all that's been said if he isn't).