CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #15

[Abby Normal Again]

Exactly, and this is where I am having a problem. If Mom knows Dylan does not want to go, and has told the court that he did not want to go, then why make him go? If Dad has been told that his son doesn't want to visit him, then why would he insist on it?
But more than that... if she really believed his dad was capable of something sinister, WHY then did she force Dylan to get on that plane?
I ask all of you mothers.... if you were in the same circumstances and believed your child's father capable of harming or disappearing your child, would you put them on a plane to go visit him, just because it was 'ordered' by some judge??? I dang sure wouldn't!!! That judge would have to sit on me and put him on the plane himself.

I don't think Dylan or his mom were as hesitant has has been imagined here. JMO

She seemed to talk (on NG) like maybe dad and Dylan were just distant, but that Dylan was really excited and happy to be going to see his friends.

GRACE: What was his demeanor, Elaine?

REDWINE: You know, he was excited to go see his friends. He has friends in Bayfield, which is about -- oh, about 30 minutes away from Vallecito. So you know, he was really excited to go hang out with his friends in Bayfield.

GRACE: ...

REDWINE: Yes. I mean, I just don`t think -- you know, we had joint parenting time. And because, you know, Mark had to earn a living and we live in a small community, he was on the road a lot. So he didn`t spend a lot of time with Dylan in the three years prior to Dylan moving to Colorado Springs. So I just don`t think he knew Dylan all that well.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1212/03/ng.01.html

 

[Donjeta]

Exactly, and this is where I am having a problem. If Mom knows Dylan does not want to go, and has told the court that he did not want to go, then why make him go? If Dad has been told that his son doesn't want to visit him, then why would he insist on it?
But more than that... if she really believed his dad was capable of something sinister, WHY then did she force Dylan to get on that plane?
I ask all of you mothers.... if you were in the same circumstances and believed your child's father capable of harming or disappearing your child, would you put them on a plane to go visit him, just because it was 'ordered' by some judge??? I dang sure wouldn't!!! That judge would have to sit on me and put him on the plane himself.

Was she afraid of Mark doing something to Dylan before he disappeared or is it something she has come to think about now that Dylan is missing?

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Exactly, and this is where I am having a problem. If Mom knows Dylan does not want to go, and has told the court that he did not want to go, then why make him go? If Dad has been told that his son doesn't want to visit him, then why would he insist on it?
But more than that... if she really believed his dad was capable of something sinister, WHY then did she force Dylan to get on that plane?
I ask all of you mothers.... if you were in the same circumstances and believed your child's father capable of harming or disappearing your child, would you put them on a plane to go visit him, just because it was 'ordered' by some judge??? I dang sure wouldn't!!! That judge would have to sit on me and put him on the plane himself.

its a catch 22

follow the judges orders and hope your child will be ok

or don't follow the judges orders which would put you on the wrong side of the law and you would be likely to lose custody therefore putting your child at long term risk.

which is the better devil out of those two?

 

[Crosby87]

To put it more in context, MR had lost joint custody of his 13yr old son after his last visit with him in September. That son made statements at the September hearing that awarded his mother full custody. He went back to court in November (days/a couple of weeks before this visit?) to get visitation rights and the court ordered Dylan to visit over this holiday.

So he picked up his son, after a one day delay, and refused to take him to his prearranged meet up with his friends because the delay made it "too late" to do so. (Dylan arrived at 6pm and the trip to Bayfield was about the same distance as the trip to Durango) MR would have us believe that Dylan was perfectly content with the new plan to go to Walmart and McDonalds and then get up at 6am to go visit his friends rather than just go there right from the airport.

So the next day Dylan did not want to get up and MR hung around for an extra hour and a half before leaving for his errands and this still did not stir Dylan awake. So he nudged him before leaving and told him he'd be back at 11am to "see about getting him to his friends". When he returned, his 13yr old son was not there. Now instead of panicking considering he had just been granted visitation with him through the courts, and his 13yr old son (not 16, not 18) had taken the only belongings he had brought there, save for a couple of pieces of clothing (we're still not sure about that) and just left, he just assumed that Dylan had gone off on his own somewhere and would be back? Where did he think he might have gone? MR lives in a remote location and it's not as if Dylan could just head over to the neighbour's place where he had friends, or the local mall. Not to mention Dylan had spent little time there in the previous 3 years according to ER, since MR himself was working and not home much. How well did he even know the area? This wasn't the home that he lived in before the family moved. He was out somewhere in a remote location and MR had no idea where. Now you'd think that most people would panic right away wondering where he might have gotten to, especially since he had just had to fight in court to get visitation with his son. But MR was fine with shooting off a few texts over a 4 hour period until he decided to go out looking.

Boggles my mind really.

MOO

BBM

If Dylan chose his mom over his dad, MR was likely angry and upset with him when he picked him up at the airport.

JMOO

 

[SCHMAE]

its a catch 22

follow the judges orders and hope your child will be ok

or don't follow the judges orders which would put you on the wrong side of the law and you would be likely to lose custody therefore putting your child at long term risk.

which is the better devil out of those two?

Probably right now Mom's thinking she should have faced the LAW .

 

[TxJan1971]

Makes since if you think of it this way, parents that reside this far apart are usually responsiable for travel half way...meaning mom paid for plane there, and dad is paying for return trip!

In my DH's case, since mom was the one that removed the children from the state they had originally lived in when married and where kids were born, and since dad was paying child support, mom had to pay for all visits. Just an FYI...

 

[Confusion]

My stepdaughter's child's wishes counted. When she was about 9 she flatly refused to go visit her dad, and nothing was done about it, because it was HER choice. She is now 13 and she still does not visit him. Judges might order visitations, but they do not always enforce them.

That sounds like there may be more to her not wanting to go than just not liking it there (or not liking him). MOO

50/50 wasn't really very feasible when MR was working away from home a lot of the time over the last three years either

It may not have been feasible to have a perfect 50/50, but at least then he could go visit dad, or dad could take him to do something, on the days he was in town. It didn't matter then about school because Mark could have taken him. That's a lot harder when you have to get to an airport, fly a few hundred miles, and get home and/or to school by 7 or 8:00 am. MOO

 

[mck16]

Yup, I went and looked. thread 6 repeatedly says sick aunt, so that got in my head. But thread 5 does indeed say grandmother.

Also, though, the poster said that she found it doing a search- so it is internet rumor, and has not come from any real sources. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CO CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #5

I remember this, but I also remembering thinking she meant she found WS while doing a search. I guess since she was new and had just joined up that is how I interpreted it. Since they have not come back guess I will never know. thanks.

 

[Cardinal47]

Exactly, and this is where I am having a problem. If Mom knows Dylan does not want to go, and has told the court that he did not want to go, then why make him go? If Dad has been told that his son doesn't want to visit him, then why would he insist on it?
But more than that... if she really believed his dad was capable of something sinister, WHY then did she force Dylan to get on that plane?
I ask all of you mothers.... if you were in the same circumstances and believed your child's father capable of harming or disappearing your child, would you put them on a plane to go visit him, just because it was 'ordered' by some judge??? I dang sure wouldn't!!! That judge would have to sit on me and put him on the plane himself.

Sure makes sense to me. But with that said I am sure she would have faced consequences if he didn't go on a court ordered visit.

Now that would make an interesting NG episode!

I am guessing Dylan and mom decided if Dylan went he could spend all the time up there with his friends.

Dad put the kabosh on that plan...right away.

MOO

 

[white rabbit]

Makes since if you think of it this way, parents that reside this far apart are usually responsiable for travel half way...meaning mom paid for plane there, and dad is paying for return trip!

so he paid for a return trip and then suggested he and dylan drive there anyway?

or was he planning to get on the return flight with dylan? did he have a reservation?

doesn't make sense to suggest going to castle rock at all. otherwise why would he have flown him down in the first place. if it was mostly for the intention of visiting his friends, then he would've taken dylan directly to bayfield on sunday night and skipped wal mart had that been the purpose of the trip.

makes no sense. to me.

 

[TxLady2]

I think its very difficult for LE to meet the high standard of proof when they feel a family has done something to a victim. Without a body, finding fingerprints of the victim in the home won't mean anything. I have seen some cases where the victim's blood is found in the home or car and the family member says, "Well, they cut their finger one time so yeah, their blood is there."
I am not saying we must have a body but if, IF, a family member did something to Dylan, it's going to be tough to prove.
I hate thinking this way but its all we have.

You are absolutely right!
Someone, I believe it was cluciano, yesterday mentioned that Jessica Ridgeway's case was solved very quickly, and it was in the same state.
However... think of the difference. Jessica's remains were found within a few days, by random trash collectors, not by LE. Having her remains gave them a big clue... the pentaram necklace... to work with and ultimately track him down.
Dylan's body, IF he is dead, has not been found, so they don't have much to work with in order to solve the case. It's likely that he was not harmed in that house, so they have that whole territory to look for clues, and it's a rough terrain. It's going to take finding Dylan to solve it, IMO.

 

[ICUDOUCME]

BBM

If Dylan chose his mom over his dad, MR was likely angry and upset with him when he picked him up at the airport.

JMOO

MR had joint and still does. ER has primary which means she determines where DR lives, and what schools he attends that type of stuff....as for changes in visitation it would of been as simple as ok long distance relationship different rules apply, for instance who pays for travel, and what days....

 

[Diddy98]

I disagree

If his son did not want to go and said he did not want to go then why force him ?

It just makes everybody unhappy in the long run .

I remember my DD screaming about going to her dad's. She would do the same thing when it was time to come home. So, his mom saying he wasn't happy could be nothing. Him saying want he thought would make her happy.

 

[ICUDOUCME]

so he paid for a return trip and then suggested he and dylan drive there anyway?

or was he planning to get on the return flight with dylan? did he have a reservation?

doesn't make sense to suggest going to castle rock at all. otherwise why would he have flown him down in the first place. if it was mostly for the intention of visiting his friends, then he would've taken dylan directly to bayfield on sunday night and skipped wal mart had that been the purpose of the trip.

makes no sense. to me.

what I am saying is this, if he planned to have to pay for the return trip, he probably was planning to drive dylan home, not pay for a flight back.

 

[TxLady2]

I have no evidence he was forced to do anything.

In fact I think 'court ordered' has been blown way out of proportion just like the 'sole custody' has been when it doesnt even exist in Colorado law.

He always had a right to see his child but since Elaine moved 5.5 hours away from him she was given physical responsibility with MR still having his visitation rights.

Dylan was just there in September on the Labor Day break. The Judge probably set up a schedule that would be during holiday breaks.

Ive heard no one say Dylan was miserable when he went to his dad's in September or he didnt want to be there. This is the area he grew up in since he was a young child and the area where all of his best friends are that he had been to school with throughout his school years.

IMO

I agree with you, I think a lot of things have been blown out of proportion.

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.9news.com/news/article/304734/188/-Dylan-Redwine-Facebook-page-deleted-

Dylan Redwine Facebook page deleted

Kimberly Kay Bowman admitted to 9News Wednesday that she was the administrator of the Missing Dylan Redwine CMCF page. The site was later deleted.

Redwine's mother asked Bowman to remove the page saying that she wanted the community to focus on a different community Facebook page about Dylan's disappearance.

 

[Londonrraine]

Exactly, and this is where I am having a problem. If Mom knows Dylan does not want to go, and has told the court that he did not want to go, then why make him go? If Dad has been told that his son doesn't want to visit him, then why would he insist on it?
But more than that... if she really believed his dad was capable of something sinister, WHY then did she force Dylan to get on that plane?
I ask all of you mothers.... if you were in the same circumstances and believed your child's father capable of harming or disappearing your child, would you put them on a plane to go visit him, just because it was 'ordered' by some judge??? I dang sure wouldn't!!! That judge would have to sit on me and put him on the plane himself.

If the visitation is court ordered, and you don't abide by those orders, you can be arrested for not complying. My daughters were ordered to visit Dad on weekends for years. When I contested the visits out of fear of my ex, because he threatened my life, I was told that until something actually happens to one of the kids or myself, nothing could be done. The visits would hold. My kids continued visits, but would occassionally call Dad and tell them they were sick to get out of going.
Let me add that my kids kept in constant contact with me, as long as Dad wasn't watching them.
My kids texted and IM'd me almost around the clock when they were with Dad on the weekends. So Dylans phone use ending on that Sunday night speaks volumes to me.
In this day and age, kids don't turn off their phones/computers. Maybe he'd turn it off in front of Dad, like my kids did, but once Dad turned around they'd have those babies right back up.

 

[jjenny]

I agree with you, I think a lot of things have been blown out of proportion.

She send her child to visit his father, and now he is missing. I hope you don't think that has been blown out of proportion.

 

[Tennlyn]

Yup, I went and looked. thread 6 repeatedly says sick aunt, so that got in my head. But thread 5 does indeed say grandmother.

Also, though, the poster said that she found it doing a search- so it is internet rumor, and has not come from any real sources. Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CO CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #5

I believe the "I found this when doing a search" is referring to Websleuths, thus he or she joined us.

 

[Confusion]

Originally Posted by Kamille
To put it more in context, MR had lost joint custody of his 13yr old son after his last visit with him in September. That son made statements at the September hearing that awarded his mother full custody. He went back to court in November (days/a couple of weeks before this visit?) to get visitation rights and the court ordered Dylan to visit over this holiday.

So he picked up his son, after a one day delay, and refused to take him to his prearranged meet up with his friends because the delay made it "too late" to do so. (Dylan arrived at 6pm and the trip to Bayfield was about the same distance as the trip to Durango) MR would have us believe that Dylan was perfectly content with the new plan to go to Walmart and McDonalds and then get up at 6am to go visit his friends rather than just go there right from the airport.

So the next day Dylan did not want to get up and MR hung around for an extra hour and a half before leaving for his errands and this still did not stir Dylan awake. So he nudged him before leaving and told him he'd be back at 11am to "see about getting him to his friends". When he returned, his 13yr old son was not there. Now instead of panicking considering he had just been granted visitation with him through the courts, and his 13yr old son (not 16, not 18) had taken the only belongings he had brought there, save for a couple of pieces of clothing (we're still not sure about that) and just left, he just assumed that Dylan had gone off on his own somewhere and would be back? Where did he think he might have gone? MR lives in a remote location and it's not as if Dylan could just head over to the neighbour's place where he had friends, or the local mall. Not to mention Dylan had spent little time there in the previous 3 years according to ER, since MR himself was working and not home much. How well did he even know the area? This wasn't the home that he lived in before the family moved. He was out somewhere in a remote location and MR had no idea where. Now you'd think that most people would panic right away wondering where he might have gotten to, especially since he had just had to fight in court to get visitation with his son. But MR was fine with shooting off a few texts over a 4 hour period until he decided to go out looking.

Boggles my mind really.

MOO

I've seen nothing anywhere stating that Dylan told the judge he would rather live with his mother; other than rumors and speculation. Do you have a link to that? <Mod Snip> We can all move the words around that we read (and omit some of the few facts that are known) to come up with any story we'd like. I really don't understand why so many people choose to write the story of a man forcing his son to fly to see him, even paying for the ticket, taking him grocery shopping with him, going to a secluded place and murdering him, then hiding his body, going home and what, eating a bowl of cereal? There are so many possibilities out there, I just don't get the appeal for this one. MOO

BBM

If Dylan chose his mom over his dad, MR was likely angry and upset with him when he picked him up at the airport.

JMOO

Again, do you have a link to anything more than rumor citing that Dylan said that?

In my DH's case, since mom was the one that removed the children from the state they had originally lived in when married and where kids were born, and since dad was paying child support, mom had to pay for all visits. Just an FYI...

I thought I had read that about this case too somewhere, but never could find it again. I decided it would be better for me not to bring it up, but now I did.

Probably right now Mom's thinking she should have faced the LAW .

I doubt it.