CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #17

[SuziQ]

So we have a kid texting Dylan at 6:46am, and at no time in the day does Dylan ever respond to this text. He had access to landline, and his phone, and his friend never heard from him. 7:30MR says DR was awake and aware enough to know he was leaving, and DR still doesn't check his phone afterwards....cereal bowl by the sink and Nick on TV and still doesn't hear from DR.....yeah this isn't right...something is wrong.

Dylan isn't even responding to the last couple of texts from Ryan the night before.

 

[TxJan1971]

Dylan isn't even responding to the last couple of texts from Ryan the night before.

And can he message from an iPod that he supposedly had?

(I'm not sure because I don't have one and don't know anything about them and can't remember any specifics of previous discussions here about communicating via ipod).

Would that have been another alternative where he could have made contact w/ his friends? In addition to the landline and/or dad's home computer? Just asking because I can't remember...

 

[cluciano63]

I wish we knew for sure if LE had given this text log to the media purposely or if they got a hold of it in some other way. I think it would be telling if LE released it on purpose. JMO

 

[JustJeannie]

And can he message from an iPod that he supposedly had?

(I'm not sure because I don't have one and don't know anything about them and can't remember any specifics of previous discussions here about communicating via ipod).

Would that have been another alternative where he could have made contact w/ his friends? In addition to the landline and/or dad's home computer? Just asking because I can't remember...

Maybe. If he had an ipod Touch, then yes if he had wi-fi to connect to. If it was a classic, or a nano, then no. I don't think we've ever seen what kind of an ipod it ws.

 

[ICUDOUCME]

Dylan isn't even responding to the last couple of texts from Ryan the night before.

I caught that as well. to me the time line here ends at 8:01pm....I want to see something after that, that can be verified...anything.

 

[TxLady2]

I absolutely agree. Just trying to make sense of this. Maybe I'm just desperately hoping LE knows more than we do

Thank you, I am trying in my own feeble way to help folks understand a little about investigations in general. I personally don't think this case will be close to being solved unless Dylan is found. There is no smoking gun, apparently, but they still could know way more than we do, just waiting on more proof.

I hope I don't come across as condescending or rude, I certainly don't intend to. Sometimes I do tend to type too fast and forget my manners. I think we're all getting desperate.

 

[NC Analyzer]

"They" are wrong. Sorry to talk about this again, but there is no way for the police to know whether the phone was turned off, is broken, has a dead battery, or is just out of range of cell towers.

Not trying to argue, but I believe you're incorrect.
Even back in 2006, technology was available to track a cell phone even if it wasn't turned on. This article describes how the FBI is capable of turning ON a cell phone even after it was powered off. I'm sure things have improved greatly since that time and they are capable of much, much more today.

http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029_3-6140191.html

The government can remotely activate any cell phone that has a battery in it whether it's turned on or not. They can activate the microphone that you talk into and hear your conversations, so if there's something you don't want anybody to hear, then don't just turn off your cell phone, take out the battery. The technique is called "roving bug" and was approved by top U.S. department of justice officails.

I'm sure there is more technology available, but this was the first link I found when I googled the information. I thought it would be relevant considering there is another dispute about whether Dylan's phone was "old" or just an older model.

 

[mijamawi]

And can he message from an iPod that he supposedly had?

(I'm not sure because I don't have one and don't know anything about them and can't remember any specifics of previous discussions here about communicating via ipod).

Would that have been another alternative where he could have made contact w/ his friends? In addition to the landline and/or dad's home computer? Just asking because I can't remember...

I depends on the iPod. The iPod Touch does have an app you can download for texting. The Nano or Shuffle do not have those options.

 

[DylansMom34]

Dylan was clearly seeking assurances from Ryan that he would be let in at 6:30 a.m. when he was planning on arriving at Ryan's house.

I can't imagine Dylan would just not communicate anymore with Ryan. Dad has a cell phone, and a computer, and a land line. Dylan would have communicated again with Ryan on Sunday evening, if he could... (and there is the problem... )

 

[JustJeannie]

I wish we knew for sure if LE had given this text log to the media purposely or if they got a hold of it in some other way. I think it would be telling if LE released it on purpose. JMO

Since they interviewed the boy he was texting with, my guess is that they asked to see the texts, and he handed them his phone to copy them. JMO - that seems the simplest explanation.

 

[SCHMAE]

Dylan was clearly seeking assurances from Ryan that he would be let in at 6:30 a.m. when he was planning on arriving at Ryan's house.

I can't imagine Dylan would just not communicate anymore with Ryan. Dad has a cell phone, and a computer, and a land line. Dylan would have communicated again with Ryan on Sunday evening, if he could... (and there is the problem... )

Yep.... no ' oh dude i got the worst bellyache and threw up ... i hope im better in the morning' or anything. One giant big excited plan and then POOF..... I ain't buying it.

 

[Angelonline]

"They" are wrong. Sorry to talk about this again, but there is no way for the police to know whether the phone was turned off, is broken, has a dead battery, or is just out of range of cell towers.

Actually they can still ping a phone if it is turned off or if the battery is dead. The phone has to be broken or the battery removed for it to stop pinging. There is a whole thread about it here at WS with many good links. So IMO the phone was smashed, someone took the battery out, or possible it was lost in an area outside of tower range. My daughter is a cell phone tech for a major company so I have learned a lot from her regarding this issue as well.

 

[SCHMAE]

So I have a declaration to make and you can come at me if you please.
But I just removed a GIANT white picket fence post from my rear and
hopped onto the ground.
Who's with me ?

 

[dlc]

We know cell phone reception at MR's house was spotty. It's perfectly possible that DR's phone never received the text, or that he did get it and sent a reply, but the phone was never able to transmit it.

Dear Paul,

I think you mentioned somewhere that you don't have any kids? (Forgive me if I'm wrong.) One thing that stood out for me, as a mom -- and this may sound a little stupid -- is that Dylan was polite enough to ask the other boy whether or not his grandma would mind him coming over, and seemed concerned about the early hour. Believe me, not everyone raises their children to have this kind of concern. Given that, it seems unlikely that Dylan would not let his friend know as soon as he could that plans had changed.

No cell phone "talk" reception? I can believe that, but we've been told that texting was generally not a problem, and also, at one point, we were told (I believe) that there was an area in MR's house where cell reception was actually pretty consistent -- I recall mentioning at the time that the same thing was true in my house (no, I don't know why).

So, if I go with he can't use the cell to talk, and for some reason texting is not working either, I then ask about the land line that we know existed, and the computer. People will then say maybe he didn't remember any of his friend's #s. I will respond that he could have looked up at least one of them on the internet, used the land line to make a call, asking either for the phone number of the boy he was supposed to meet, or that someone call and pass along a message for him.

I just don't see (and believe it or not, I have tried) that he couldn't get a message to _someone_, and that he wouldn't at least try, if he were able.

 

[balaney]

So we have a kid texting Dylan at 6:46am, and at no time in the day does Dylan ever respond to this text. He had access to landline, and his phone, and his friend never heard from him. 7:30MR says DR was awake and aware enough to know he was leaving, and DR still doesn't check his phone afterwards....cereal bowl by the sink and Nick on TV and still doesn't hear from DR.....yeah this isn't right...something is wrong.

My 13 year old would check his phone before he would eat breakfast Watched him this morning. Being in touch is more important than cereal.

 

[tiredblondy]

If the children are homeless or hungry or don't have decent seasonal clothing to wear, then this is an issue for Child Protective Services.
I live in the same state, have a child support case and worked for Social Services...I know the system.
If the child isn't lacking basic necessities, then you don't have a CPS issue but you may have plenty of ammunition to take before a judge to have your custody changed.
I also refuse to hear that you cannot afford an attorney. If you have the evidence for court, you can easily represent yourself in these type of matters. Judges are very patient and understanding when a petitioner appears pro se.

As I worked in the schools for 33 years, been there done that. I have testified for cases involving CPS and it was obvious the child support was NOT being spent on the kids.

 

[vasportsmom]

I think the problem here is the poster said "most" custodial parents....which would be a touchy subject considering "most" custodial parents don't receive anything close to what it costs to raise a child. This type of generalization will often land one in "hot water".
I doubt most of the reply's have much to do with ER's use of child support money. Just a defensive reaction because the generalization was so absurd.

Thank you. Plus there was the "can we not discuss both sides" which would imply there is two sides to discuss.


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[i8mypaint]

Thank you, I am trying in my own feeble way to help folks understand a little about investigations in general. I personally don't think this case will be close to being solved unless Dylan is found. There is no smoking gun, apparently, but they still could know way more than we do, just waiting on more proof.

I hope I don't come across as condescending or rude, I certainly don't intend to. Sometimes I do tend to type too fast and forget my manners. I think we're all getting desperate.

No I think you're great! I appreciate the insight

 

[cattlekate]

POOF!
There went dad's timeline IMO...
his friend was looking for him at 6:46 am
16 minafter Dyaln was to be there!
A kid! Woke up looking for him...
When did dad say he left and Dylan was still there?
I don't believe it! ~at all anymore...
(WELL, actually I do believe Dylan was not in dad's home at 7:30am)

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/0/News/A-boy’s-life

It is most telling to me Ryan's 6:46 am text is not answered yet MR states Dyan was awake enough to state "I understand" at 7:30 am. I wonder if MR was asked if Dylan's phone was by the couch.

 

[dlc]

From my past experience trying to look at both sides here= no. One gets accused of falling for his lies and caring about MR and falling for what he says and being gullible.

I'm still on the fence but if I offer another side or look at something not involving MR I get accused of support MR when I'm just trying to look objectively at other possibilities.

Has an abduction been ruled out?
Do we know if dogs tracked Dylan's scent?


Until an abduction is ruled out I'm on the fence. Nothing I have seen changes my mind yet. However I'm sure I'll get blasted for this .

So just a warning if one offers any question or comment that involves something other than MR being guilty... you need to duck and get ready.

That is why I stopped posting here. I truly admire the others who are trying to be objective and look elsewhere other than MR.

I find it interesting some of the questions that were asked of an insider were NOT answered, like does MR have his vehicles back yet, etc. Things that actually pertain to what is happening NOW in this case not something that happened years ago.

So if one dares to look anywhere other than MR as a murderer get ready for the fall out.

In fairness, I think that this has occurred all around. I'm new to the forum, and for the first 30 posts or so, there were plenty of times that I got my little feelings hurt and thought about leaving -- not that anyone was explicitly mean (well one or two maybe - insert smirky face here), but just the undertone of some of the responses was very clear.