CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #17

[Sigh Sister]

Well now that's an interesting thought. Was it Dylan texting? I think ER would have an idea and I bet LE has asked that question.

You know I have thought quite a bit about Dylan hiding out. We are pretty sure he didn't want to be there and must have been mad he could not go to his friends right away.

Could he be somewhere...perhaps a cottage. I know...it sounds farfetched but it is the hope of finding him I hold onto.

Being a logical person probably a 1 in 1,000,000 chance of that happening.

I am sure if his friends knew they would be back and forth and LE would solve this mystery. Sigh...

Deleting my post because I forgot about phone being turned off at 8pm. So, never mind!

 

[DylansMom34]

I understand coincidences working in a perpetrator's favor, as well as luck. Look at the case of Jessica Ridgeway, lots of coincidences and luck worked in Austin Sigg's favor.

The problem I have in Dylan's case is too many coincidences. I would still be on the fence about this case if there were just a couple of coincidences. But there are just too many unexplained scenarios for all of these to be one coincidence after another from practically the moment Dylan arrived in Durango.

It's just a bit too much for me to chalk it all up to coincidence/happenstance/etc.

 

[shefner]

respectfully snipped for space

:what: If I recall correctly he didn't say he and Dylan had a
"conversation" did he? He just reports speaking to Dylan
and Dylan just laying there :what:

"Mark said he waited until 7:30 a.m. but still couldn't rouse his son, so he told him he would return about 11"

:moo: THAT says it all.
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At one point MR said that Dylan verbally acknowledged that dad was leaving and would be back around 11 am. This was another change in MR's story....or something that had been mangled by the press. Initially, MR said he couldn't rouse Dylan at all.

 

[DylansMom34]

Reading over the text exchanges again, i do think it was Dylan. I just can't get past MR saying "with the friend that was trying to text him". I think MR slipped up with this statement. I think that he was referring to the texts from Dylan's friend at 9:26pm and 6:46am (I think those are the right times) that went unanswered. To me, His statement implies that he had possession of Dylan's phone, saw the texts, and Dylan was not able to answer them.

Maybe, but wouldn't the phone have pinged at some point after Sunday night if dad was holding onto the phone. Although maybe not, I don't understand the pinging thing.

 

[YidArmyRach]

I am not sure how 600 a month would allow someone to take Holiday trips to NYC, stay in nice hotels and purchase expensive jewelry. JMO

What? £7,200 a year ... on top of the tax credits and child benefits she already gets for having her daughter (which don't take account on maintenance payments). Its £7,200 on top of what the Government says she needs to bring up herself and her daughter. I'm not talking Tiffany or top end jewellery, but Pandora bracelets, £100 for a bead, genuine Shamballa rings and bracelets etc

 

[asyousay]

Reading over the text exchanges again, i do think it was Dylan. I just can't get past MR saying "with the friend that was trying to text him". I think MR slipped up with this statement. I think that he was referring to the texts from Dylan's friend at 9:26pm and 6:46am (I think those are the right times) that went unanswered. To me, His statement implies that he had possession of Dylan's phone, saw the texts, and Dylan was not able to answer them.

But the phone was switched off at 8pm as that was the last ping so how could MR of seen the texts without the phone giving off a signal ???

 

[terracotta]

So two very sad cases this week Kayla in Mint Hill NC and Jack in Tempe AZ both found in the body of water that was suspected from the beginning...they drained the pond in NC and found Kayla (after doing searches on it for a day or so) and did 2 days of searching in the first couple days for Jack...sonar etc. He didn't surface until today, they had experience quite a bit of rain which might have dislodged him...ick..even to type that is awful.

The thing is two dogs or was it three hit on that water, the dad said it was about time they search there and they haven't searched other than in the first week...is that correct? It just seems like an important place is being ignored. IMO

I'm not sure why they are not doing daily passes in the Vallecito lake....is the lake frozen over yet? Does it freeze completely in the winter?

 

[Amster]

I have yet to see a single non custodial parent pay anywhere near half of what it takes to provide & raise a child.

My son pays more child support than the court ordered. But, he's a dad so I guess that doesn't count. Really, really and truly, there are dads that are loving and responsible. My son has gone through pure hell dealing with his divorce. He adores his son, my grandson.....excuse me for not putting ex wives on pedestals or condemning all dads to hell. This is why I don't post much on this thread.

 

[katydid23]

I don't even understand what this means.

MR claims he was asleep at 6:30 and still in bed at 7:30.
His friend sent him a text at 6:46am.

I have a cell phone (a cheap slide phone instead of a flip phone like Dylan's), it makes a sound when a text is received. I cannot hear that sound in the next room and it certainly would not wake me up, and I am a light sleeper.

When my kids were 13 they slept with their phones beside them whenever possible. They could not hear me trying to wake them up for school, but they could hear their cell announcing a new text message.

 

[shefner]

Reading over the text exchanges again, i do think it was Dylan. I just can't get past MR saying "with the friend that was trying to text him". I think MR slipped up with this statement. I think that he was referring to the texts from Dylan's friend at 9:26pm and 6:46am (I think those are the right times) that went unanswered. To me, His statement implies that he had possession of Dylan's phone, saw the texts, and Dylan was not able to answer them.

My first thought was that the phone was off. We have been told the phone was off around 8pm and was never back on, right?
If that phone was turned back on, wouldn't LE be able to know that?
I think the phone was disposed of....too sad to say the rest of what I'm thinking.

 

[Sigh Sister]

Maybe, but wouldn't the phone have pinged at some point after Sunday night if dad was holding onto the phone. Although maybe not, I don't understand the pinging thing.

Forgot about that. So, never mind . But MR's statement still bothers me.

 

[mmmagique]

Or perhaps "someone" was answering her text? A text made up of the words "yes" and a scowling face could have been sent by anyone. MOO

It could have, but I do believe Dylan made those other texts to his friend, so I believe the one to his mother was him as well.

Because if someone else were pretending to be him, (knowing Dylan would not make it to the arranged meeting) why would he say that if he didn't answer the door, he would bug him and bug him until he did? I believe the texts were all Dylan.

 

[katydid23]

My son pays more child support than the court ordered. But, he's a dad so I guess that doesn't count. Really, really and truly, there are dads that are loving and responsible. My son has gone through pure hell dealing with his divorce. He adores his son, my grandson.....excuse me for not putting ex wives on pedestals or condemning all dads to hell. This is why I don't post much on this thread.

I am sure that your son does not have the same history as MR. Does your son have grown kids who are estranged from him? Has he been arrested for menacing and assault and child abuse? I doubt it. JMO

 

[shefner]

When my kids were 13 they slept with their phones beside them whenever possible. They could not hear me trying to wake them up for school, but they could hear their cell announcing a new text message.

Oh my goodness, I am with you there katy! My kids sometimes would fall asleep talking to a friend and wake up in the morning with the cell phone still connected! Thank heavens for unlimited plans.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I think she said it "basically" said yes so there was likely more to it that just the one word although that information is not being released it seems.

I also noticed that once Dylan would have been in the presence of his father, based on the two text exchanges we are aware of, he did not initiate any texts but rather only answered texts coming in with short curse answers. I find that strange also.

If he was told that it was too late to go to his friends after they had eaten and gone to Walmart then that was one quick meal and grocery shopping excursion. If the plane landed at 5:40pm and they had to get out of the airport, and drive to Durango, they couldn't have been in Durango much before 6-6:15pm. By 6:43pm Dylan had already been told no to the friend visit so they had already eaten, gone grocery shopping and were on the way to Vallecito by then? Wouldn't that place them at the house by 8pm?

:waitasec:

MOO

and .... I do not like shopping... So if I had flown into town.. And then we had to stop to do grocery shopping... I would have been... WTH???

why NOW... When I have flown or been in airports most of the day.. dad could have done the shopping BEFORE the plane came in...

Heck... We buy stuff our guests like BEFORE they come... And call them BEFORE they come to see what sodas... Lunches... Cereals ...etc.. They like so we don't have to waste their time at the store!!!

and this is my HUSBAND that does most of the shopping and checking beforehand...

so... Was this just a manipulative act on MR's part to try to keep Dylan from hanging with friends?

sorry... It just hit me how much I would be pizzeria (Oh gosh... my ipad said pizzeria instead of pizzed :floorlaughif I had to stop and do something so mundane as grocery shopping the minute I come for a supposedly fun visit...

AND...,Mark had errands to run the next day where he could have done all that unless they were absolutely going to die of hunger once they got home... Or were completely out of toidy paper!!!

:banghead:

JMO

 

[Sigh Sister]

My first thought was that the phone was off. We have been told the phone was off around 8pm and was never back on, right?
If that phone was turned back on, wouldn't LE be able to know that?
I think the phone was disposed of....too sad to say the rest of what I'm thinking.

Duh. I forgot all about that. Shouldn't post when tired. I think I'm done for tonight.:seeya:

 

[mmmagique]

I need to apolgize to you all for not responding earlier. I know that many of you had questions and then wondered why there were no responses. I was busy yesterday and only had my phone, I'm so horrible at getting to the last post on the last thread that it would have taken me forever on my phone.
In answer to some of the questions posted and I apologize if I don't remember all of your questions.

Mark did not pay for the college education of my children, neither did I. They had great opportunities presented to them and have/are receiving their educations without my help.

Our divorce did not take years to get finalized, it was finalized in short order, within one year, but the court proceedings regarding BS went on for years.

As far as giving up parental rights, papers were drafted (twice) I signed, I don't know that MR signed, but his attorney never filed them. (I didn't have an attorney at that time) I don't know if that was MR's doing or his attorney's inaction, IMO I find it highly doubtful that an attorney would forget for several years to file legal documents, but it happened. The only part that "stuck" in the courts eyes was that he was no longer ordered to pay CS, the ability for the boys to be adopted was not legal so they were never adopted. In AZ, you can't just give up your rights to minor children, it's not that easy. That is why WE made the offer to MR.

ER and I are not besties, someone mentioned that we were very close. We are not, we aren't enemies, we aren't BFF's. Over the years, especially after ER, CR & DR visited in 2008 we had a bond if you will, we understood each other. We grew up and moved on, we had no qualms towards or about each other and knew that no matter what, we (the mothers of the children) would always be tied together. No my boys aren't hers and her boys aren't mine, but they are brothers.

What do I think happened? Have you ever had that feeling where the hair on the back of your neck stands up? Where every fiber of your being is telling you something that no matter how you look at it, you can't figure it out but you can't ignore it either. That's how I feel. Keep in mind it has been many, many years since we divorced, yes people can change, I did, I'm stronger, wiser and not so quick to believe everything I'm told. Has he changed? I don't know. I do know that any conversation or court hearings seemed the same. I do know that their are people that believe that others are idiots, that charm, charisma, wit and smiles can make them believe anything. The saying "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS" is appropriate.

I don't know all the rules here, so everything I say is IMO.
It breaks my heart to think that Dylan is not with us, but the brain and gut tell me he isn't. I want him to be ok, I want him to walk in and hug his mommy, I want him to tell her of great adventures that he has had over the past 28 days, I want him to get a smartphone for Christmas, to get grounded for the rest of his life so that ER always knows exactly where he is. I would give anything in the world, I would make any deal with the devil himself if it would bring him to his mommy this very second. I just don't think that is a possibility.

I find it very strange that MR gives interviews that all start at going to eat, going to Walmart and then stops, nothing, then it picks back up at 730 am the next day. It's not because of MR, I would find that odd in any person who's child is missing. Why is there no mention of, we went to McDonald's and Walmart, drove home, put all the groceries away and then watched tv, I went to bed and DR was still watching xxxxxxxxx on tv.
Nothing is ever mentioned from Walmart to 730 am.

Even by MR's statements, IMO, there is noone that spoke with or heard from DR after 8 pm Sunday, the 18th. Not even MR.

God bless you. Thank you so much for being here, and for your honestly and openness. I pray for you, your loved ones, and Dylan's loved ones.

You pointed out something that people who study statement analysis are taught to look for; temporal lacunae...a skipping over of an important period of time.

I agree with your assessments, hope that we're both wrong, and also pray that justice will prevail.

Thank you again, for being here with us.

 

[Cardinal47]

It would be interesting to hear what MR did in the earlier part of the day he picked up Dylan at the airport. Just thinking....

 

[Eileen730]

I Wonder if Mark and Elaine have talked / spent anytime talking since a couple weeks ago when they had both been quoted saying they hadn't

If I were Elaine id be all over him like flies on ****T!

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

My hubby was addicted to his old flip phone....but when it broke, after years of service, he found that AT&T didn't have them anymore. So he got the original iPhone....which he didn't want to get because it was nothing like the flip phone. Now, he will not get rid of that original iPhone. He gives his upgrades to one of the kids.
I guess he's just sentimental about things. Or stubborn. LOL

Tell your DH he is not alone.... (as if he cares, I'm sure :giggle

Oh my gosh... I STILL have my flip phone... And give the new ones to DD and DH when their's break!:floorlaugh:

hone: >>>>>> my phone would still look like this if I had a choice!