CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #18

[catswhiskers]

I know the uncut video seemed to cut off when MR was talking about plane tickets, etc.

I wondered if ER was going to be in Castle Rock over Thanksgiving and if MR and Dylan was going to possible be in Castle Rock at his brother's, could it be possible that MR was going to drop Dylan off at ER's family there?

I'm not sure if I remember when Dylan was to be back at his mom's. Possibly Saturday?

If I am way off, please let me know...LOL

That cut off ending is a sore point with me - with so little info available I wonder why the producers did that. And then posted it as "uncut"!

 

[mck16]

Dylan's friends said from the very beginning they thought he hitched a ride and someone took him away. ER said DR would never hitch hike. And then she said that she had talked to him about it and warned him not to do it.

Now why would she even have that talk if he had never done it before or talked about doing it? Did she just pull that out of thin air? I personally don't think so. For some reason she was worried about it and I think it is because she knew he and his friends had hitched it before. jmo

 

[SmoothOperator]

Questions of Importance regarding those last hours leading up to Dylan's disappearance

1) Did Dylan in fact make it to his father's home Sunday night, November 18?
(How was this verified?..pings, neighbor, or other witness, etc)
- if in fact made it to the home what time did they arrive home?

2) Were any calls made from the landline throughout the morning hours of Monday, November 19?
(If so to whom were the calls made)

3) What was the exact time that Dylan's cell phone was last detected?
(ie. text msg sent/received, phonecall incoming/outgoing, pinging a local cell tower)

4) If different from time of last detection, what time was the actual last communication from Dyalns cell phone?
(Phone call or text)
*the last text sent from Dylan's phone was to R regarding their change of plans a little after 8pm Sunday, 11/18 .. R attempted further contact via text at 9:26pm to which Dylan never replied

5) At what time did Dylan and friends(and with what specific friend did he speak/text to make these changes) make changes to their getting together from Sunday night moved to Monday morning?
- was it via text or call
- was it just one call/text or were there multiple calls/text back and forth making these changes
*it was his friend R who he exchanged text msgs with about the change of plans ..below is a link to all those texts and times which answer many of the next few questions regarding his contact with friends.
http://www.durangoherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20121215/NEWS01/121219687&template=mobileart


6) Was the change of plans the last conversation btwn Dylan and friend(s)?
-If not what was their last communication about?
- what time did that communication happen, if different from the communication regarding the change of plans?
*yes. refer to http://www.durangoherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20121215/NEWS01/121219687&template=mobileart

7) The friend(s) with whom Dylan spoke/text about the change of plans, what was their opinion of Dylan's mood about the plans being changed?
*when asked by R why Dylan had to change the plans from Sunday evening to Monday morning he replied he didn't know just that his father had said so.

8) With whom was Dylan's last contact with other than dad?
- call or text?
*AFAIK it was the text messages exchanged with R, which Dylan's last sent reply text was a little after 8pm

9) What is the last identified cell phone tower that was pinged by Dylan's cell phone?

10) Where does dad's cell phone records pick up at from the moment when Dylan's phone is last detected?
- Does Dylan's last cell phone ping coincide with his dad's cell phone pings during that same time of night on Monday, November 18?
- From the time that Dylan's cell is last detected as being operable(text, call, ping) from that time forward throughout the night what is the track of dad's cell phone(ie. What, if any cell phone towers did dad's cell phone continue to ping after Dylan's was no longer operable)

11) Does dad's cell phone records, namely the pings, coincide with his returning home after Walmart/McDonalds?
(As in from the pings is it discernable that immediately after those last two stops in Durango that his phone tracks him going directly to his home or are there variances that could show that -
a) it took a much longer amount of time to get from Durango to the cell phone tower nearest his home(which is most likely to indicate that he was at or immediately near his home)
b) the pings show an altogether different route, other than home, immediately after the two last stops in Durango)

12) What, if any, internet usage was used from Sunday evening through Monday afternoon/evening?
(Anything unusual or out of the ordinary found)

13) LE has stated that they can confirm that Mark's movements between 7:30am-11:30am on Monday, November 19 check out with what Mark has stated that he was.(appt with Atty in Durango and other morning errands)
a) what was the nature of the appt with the divorce Atty and was it a scheduled appt? If so, how far in advance was is scheduled?
b) what were the other errands Mark went on for the remainder of those hours that have been confirmed?

14) What were Mark's movements from 11:30am- approx 4:30pm when he headed to Dylan's friends in Bayfield to pick up Dylan?
(Is LE able to verify/confirm those movements during that 5 hour time frame)

15) During those 5 hours what does his cell records show as far as his attempting contact with his son?
- how many text? How many calls?
- what cell phone towers were pinged when those various calls/text were made to Dylan's phone? Was it the tower that is pinged when at the Redwine home or another or other towers?
- what does the track of pings from Mark's cell phone show during this 5 hour window of time? Movement, if so where? Or does it continue to ping from the cell tower nearest his home?

16) What, if any, calls were incoming/outgoing from the landline during this 5 hour time frame?

17) What, if any besides to Dylan's cell phone, calls incoming/outgoing from Marks cell, text sent/received, internet usage from his cell during this 5 hour time frame?
-home internet usage during this time frame as well?

18) What type of cereal did Dylan eat that morning? Was it just purchased the night prior at Walmart on the way home or was it something already in the home?

19) When LE did the initial, cursory check of the home on Monday, November 19 was it noted that a used cereal
bowl and/or utensils were in the kitchen?
- or any indications of Dylan's possibly eaten/drank a few hours prior?

20) What was the condition of the bed made on the couch for Dylan?
- did it appear to be in a natural disarray as if it'd been slept on? Or more folded and neat?
- were Dylan's clothes noted to be there on the couch/bed? If so were they just crumpled and just tossed there? Clean or dirty? Or neatly folded? What were the articles of clothing left behind?

21) Was Mark able to give the initial search dogs a scent article from any of the bedding or discarded and left behind clothing of Dylan's? If not, why not?

22)**prefaced with:
this particular question I realize that LE would NOT have been at all of the frame of mind, at that point of the case to have even noted something such as this issue..but nonetheless this type trivial, ordinary observation would be telling and informative**

- In the initial, cursory check such observances made and noted like was Dylan's personal hygiene articles seen? More specifically observations of his toothbrush out?
(This may sound completely stupid and/or irrelevant to some but its the way my mind works in going through a mental checklist of what everyday observations could be telling.. so while I fully understand that there's the possibility he's not big on teeth brushing like I've drilled into my poor soon..but IMO in going through that type mental list of everyday type observations IF ALL OF THEM ARE ABSENT IMO THE INDICATORS BECOME EVEN STRONGER OF IT LIKELY BEING RELEVANT AND ACTUALLY HAVE MEANING..jmo)

23) The fishing pole. Was this fishing pole purchased the night before at Walmart or was this a fishing pole that had long since been there in the home?

24) Exactly when was it noted and relayed to LE by Mark that Dylan's fishing pole was actually missing from the home?
- was this stated by dad immediately after the disappearance?
- or was it only after the broken fishing pole was found near the dam which then led to dad discovering that there was actually a missing fishing pole from the home?

25) Had Dylan actually hitchhiked before? (As in hitching a ride from a complete stranger)?
*we now know from friends that the incident they refer to(and the only incident KNOWN to ever happen) was a time when Dylan along with all his friends were walking home in the snow, to which Dylan flagged down someone who gave all the boys a ride so they'd not have to walk home in the snow.

26) What event occurred that led to Elaine broaching the subject of the dangers of hitchhiking with Dylan ?
strictly MOO but I find it most likely that the aforementioned incident of Dylan AND his friends getting a ride home when walking in the snow is what led to Elaine's addressing the dangers of hitchhiking with her son..again MOO

27) What were the actual plans made by Dylan and friends for that Monday, November 19?
*for MR to drop off Dylan at R's grandma's house at 6:30am

28) Was the friend awake at 6:30am expecting Dylan's arrival?
- if not, when did they awake and realize Dylan had not arrived at 6:30am as had been planned?
*we know now friend, R was expecting Dylan to arrive at R's grandma's house at 6:30am and that R text Dylan at 6:46am questioning where he was

29) Did the friends follow through with the plans even though Dylan never arrived?
- If so, how long did they wait for Dylan? What time did they end up going ahead with their plans without Dylan?
*we now know that there were atleast plans the friends went on and did mid-morning and R continued attempting contact to let Dylan know where to come meet up(also at link above)

30) At what time on Monday morning did they begin to attempt contact with Dylan?
- Did they call/text just Dylan's cell phone?
- Or did they also try to reach Dylan via his father's home landline?
- Did they at any point attempt to call Dylan's mom or dad?
*R was immediately attempting to text/call as early as 6:46am

31) When initially calling Dylan's cell phone to what type of msg or non-msg did they receive?
To clarify what I mean is in their initially calling Dylan's cell phone did it:
a) just ring and ring continually?
b) not ring at all but rather just gave the generic service provider msg stating the person cannot be reached at this time?
c) immediately went straight to Dylan's voicemail?

**I quickly linked and added the new friend info that answers some of our questions above.. please lemme know what others you see that we may now have answers to&I'll also fill them in.

TIA

 

[scorekeeper]

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[catswhiskers]

Dylan's friends said from the very beginning they thought he hitched a ride and someone took him away. ER said DR would never hitch hike. And then she said that she had talked to him about it and warned him not to do it.

Now why would she even have that talk if he had never done it before or talked about doing it? Did she just pull that out of thin air? I personally don't think so. For some reason she was worried about it and I think it is because she knew he and his friends had hitched it before. jmo

I'm too cross eyed to go back and find it now, but in the NG interview she said something about them exchanging texts so she knew where he was and iirc where he was sleeping. Hmm maybe I should go and look... But I know it made me think he was used to having a bit of freedom - getting about with mates etc. I'm not being critical of that at all - it's a marvellous thing that kids can still get out and do that sort of thing in some places (heck, mine wandered off to a nearby creek with buckets in hand just a while ago). I do think her comment, along with those from his friends, may show that Dylan had enough confidence or independence to head off and make his own way somewhere he was sick of waiting for his dad.

 

[LotusPawprint]

Dylan's friends said from the very beginning they thought he hitched a ride and someone took him away. ER said DR would never hitch hike. And then she said that she had talked to him about it and warned him not to do it.

Now why would she even have that talk if he had never done it before or talked about doing it? Did she just pull that out of thin air? I personally don't think so. For some reason she was worried about it and I think it is because she knew he and his friends had hitched it before. jmo

He may well have hitched a ride before but mom didn't know about it and was of the firm belief in the past and when she made that statement that he would never hitch. She could still have had the discussion with him about how dangerous it is and warned him not to do it.

I never hitch hiked but when I was about that age a few local kids got into some sticky situations by doing so and my parents had repeated sitdowns with me for a long time. Once a worry is planted in a parent's mind, it's often there for good. But I can see her statement meaning that she thought he would never have hitched, certainly not in the situation that Monday morning. JMO.

 

[mck16]

I'm too cross eyed to go back and find it now, but in the NG interview she said something about them exchanging texts so she knew where he was and iirc where he was sleeping. Hmm maybe I should go and look... But I know it made me think he was used to having a bit of freedom - getting about with mates etc. I'm not being critical of that at all - it's a marvellous thing that kids can still get out and do that sort of thing in some places (heck, mine wandered off to a nearby creek with buckets in hand just a while ago). I do think her comment, along with those from his friends, may show that Dylan had enough confidence or independence to head off and make his own way somewhere he was sick of waiting for his dad.

I believe she said 'where he was going to crash'. I got the feeling he had quite a bit of freedom too. And I agree that is a okay. But, maybe in hindsight not so much. jmo

 

[mmmagique]

What did MR mean in the video when he said on the first plane trip he had a round trip ticket? Did he mean to say a non stop flight? Surely he had a round trip ticket this time but if not that's a major red flag!

RSBM

I have been wondering this same thing. It seems so innocent, but when you re-read (or re-listen to) what was said, that is an unusual (at the least) thing to say.

 

[Crosby87]

This short interview was another that I thought was just the same stock answers and attempt at forcing out some real tears.

http://kdvr.com/2012/11/27/missing-teens-father-discusses-exhaustive-search/

What tears? I didn't see any tears streaming down MR's face in this video.

 

[SmoothOperator]

regarding mom's speaking about Dylan usually making contact to let her know "where he ended up crashing for the night"..IIRC the context of that particular statement had been speaking of her normal contact with Dylan WHILE AT HIS FATHER'S HOME...IMO therefor I took it to mean that the "where ended up crashing for the night" was speaking about what friends home..or if it was at actually dad's home..that Dylan would let her know about..

jmo but in the context of the statement it led me to believe that this was speaking of when Dylan was staying away from mom's custody and in the custody of his father...jmo, tho..

 

[katydid23]

Has there been any kind of public plea, on MSM news stations like ABC, NBC, CBS or FoxNews about Dylan's disappearance??? Out here, usually when a child is missing, Mom gets on the news in front of cameras and pleads for the safe return of her child. I've seen the NG stuff and I've seen where the disappearance was aired out of the New Mexico station, but has there been any where Mom is in front of the camera on main news stations asking for information or pleading for whoever knows anything about her son to please return him??

I think mom has already said what she suspects happened on Sunday night. So it would be phony for her to go on the air and talk to random kidnappers, imo.

 

[catswhiskers]

RSBM

I have been wondering this same thing. It seems so innocent, but when you re-read (or re-listen to) what was said, that is an unusual (at the least) thing to say.

IIRC He did start to explain that his previous round trip ticket wasn't a direct flight and involved a change of planes or something similar - which had caused some difference of opinion between himself and ER. In my experience a round trip ticket involves stops that a simple return ticket may not.

 

[catswhiskers]

I think mom has already said what she suspects happened on Sunday night. So it would be phony for her to go on the air and talk to random kidnappers, imo.

But she has posted messages directly to Dylan herself, and via the page admins of the FMDR fb page. Some of those messages have been aimed at whoever took him, as well as hoping he is fed and warm etc. That page has been well run and monitored by the admins IMO they have done a marvellous job of keeping it positive and hopeful while keeping Dylan's face and story out there. I don't think a lot of people realise the reach of pages like that - Westminster PD made good use of it in dear Jessica Ridgeways case.

 

[Seajay]

I think mom has already said what she suspects happened on Sunday night. So it would be phony for her to go on the air and talk to random kidnappers, imo.

Yeh, it would. However, if she's wrong.......she's not asking for her son back for anyone else who might have him.

 

[Linda7NJ]

They did have a person offer to work with national media to get attention to Dylan's case, but as far as I know ER discounted the person offering her connections and never spoke to him about his offer.

Is there a link for that?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Thank you button wasn't enough, catswhiskers! It's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. While I have no strong theories, I would think by now that Dad would have been arrested if there is any indication he was involved. Why do so many posters think MR is capable of murdering his OWN child? That is verboten in my mind from what I have seen and read so far...I just can't go there. And I wonder IF DR and MR had an altercation and something bad happened, why wouldn't MR admit it to LE from the very beginning? Like calling 911?

No, I can't explain why DR left the house or even if he made it to the house or what happened Sunday night between DR and MR, but until LE calls MR a POI, I have to withhold judgment. But that's just me. IMHO.

They wouldn't arrest him without solid evidence and confidence they could get a conviction. Once arrested the clock starts ticking....right to a speedy trial and all that jazz...

 

[katydid23]

That's what I thought too when I saw the video but since MOM said he's not, I don't think we are allowed to mention it. IMO

She was talking about him not being 'outdoorsy' in context of him running off alone into the woods, to hike and fish alone in a remote spot. She said that was what she did not think he would do, go off alone to be in the outdoors. Some 'outdoorsy' kids do stuff like that, alone. But she was trying to day he was more of a social, fun loving kid. He liked playing outdoors with HIS FRIENDS.

Her description of him not being 'outdoorsy' was in response to dad';s suggestion that Dylan took off alone to the lake with his fishing pole.

 

[kkdj]

I agree, I do have to point out though that threwout his interviews with MSM he has said things like "the boy" as well as "that boy", he has also made statements to LE in the very beginning, where LE quotes him as saying "the boy was not there when he got home"

I have noticed strange wording (IMO) from dad from the getgo. "that boy", "he was", etc.
I had (have) the feeling MR had already distanced himself, for whatever reason. But MR knew and knows imo

 

[katydid23]

:truce:

For sure he was babbling nervously even tho his affect was outwardly calm and quiet. I did think this was decidedly at odds with his DV history--unless his episodes were limited to only when he was under the influence of alcohol. My ex husband was the epitome of this seemingly schizoid behavior.....those who only knew him outside the home (myself included, before we were married!) would say "Oh, he is so nice and shy and quiet!"
His drinking would bring out a whole different man. MRs quietness reminded me of the ex.
One more thought: someone had mentioned checking out a connection to drugs because of the missing man and the dead drug dealer found near the missing guys car: I read that article and they sound pretty hard -core to me.....Now --MR is 52 and a boozer. Not trying to generalize but drinkers USUALLY stick with booze with maybe a dabble of weed or coke at this age. Druggies USUALLY stick with drugs, self -medicating with alcohol when out of drugs. Hard core druggies just don't live to 52 IMHO. With all that being said, of course any new lines of thinking bear a little look-see......just me myself I don't see it at all with those 2 guys.

Just MOO!

I agree generally that 52 yr old drinkers tend to stick to that. Except that MR has been a truck driver for 25 yrs. And plenty of truckers have used speed or meth or aderall at various times to get to their destinations. JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Speaking of releasing Marks vehicles, we had a discussion here are few days ago where someone said releasing them back to him didn't mean anything, it just means they got what they needed and let him have them back.

I was watching a case on TV where a woman disappeared and they thought the husband did it. They confiscated his vehicles and kept them for 4 years. He went to court twice to get them back and LE stated they were part of an ongoing investigation and they were evidence and the judge wouldn't order them released back to him. So LE can and will keep vehicles in an open investigation case and not release them back.

Then they actually found evidence in them and were saving them for corroborating evidence that they may find later.

They can not just take your stuff and keep it with zero probable cause to do so.