CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #19

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  • #281
I had to add Durango to my google map to see where everything is situated - I'm a visual person.... So do all NA's live in Ignacio or is there other areas they live off the res? Just curious - that's all.... trying to understand the area...

NA live on and off the res. They can live anywhere we can, but they also have the option of living on the res. There are other reservations further away.

If your visual you can see that from Durango it is less than two hours to 3 states from Durango(because it is located in the 4 corners area).
 
  • #282
I've wondered that, but it seems to be discounted whenever I try to bring it up. Still, I think it's a slight possibility and I have reasons for believing that.

It's never been discounted by me. That's exactly what I think. :)
 
  • #283
I gave you the map of the Ute's land. They live on their land.... what's left of it.

Yes - thank you! I just went back to the res site and saw the Google map you referred to at the "BOTTOM" of the page. It wasn't showing on my screen and I obviously didn't scroll down far enough. I was looking at the small map at the top of the website and it wasn't what I needed - then I clicked on a tab for MAPS but it's not available at this time, so I did it the hard way. Oh well.... such is life for me.. LOL
Thanks again!
 
  • #284
It's never been discounted by me. That's exactly what I think. :)

If this theory were true, do you think there would be a reappearance at some point? Not sure how that would work but curious to hear thoughts.
 
  • #285
If this theory were true, do you think there would be a reappearance at some point? Not sure how that would work but curious to hear thoughts.

I think it wasn't thought all the way through and whoever disappeared him doesn't have a clue how to bring him back without some major legal issues.
 
  • #286
I think it wasn't thought all the way through and whoever disappeared him doesn't have a clue how to bring him back without some major legal issues.

I think they are looking at prison time, if this actually happened. You don't steal a child, even your own, and then stand by while LE and FBI, etc. raise an expensive criminal investigation. Also, neither parent can legally withhold the child from the other. I would imagine a list of charges could be brought.

Not to mention, I still do not see the original point of doing so, even if it was a stupid one.
 
  • #287
It's late so I may not be reading all of this correctly but it appears to me that Federal Authorities do not have jurisdiction for white on white crimes committed within NA territory. However, the State of Colorado may have certain rights to prosecute such crimes.

"The single question that we do or can decide in this case is that stated in the certificate of division of opinion, namely, whether the Circuit Court of the United States for the District of Colorado has jurisdiction of the crime of murder committed by a white man upon a white man within the Ute Reservation, and within the limits of the State of Colorado; and, for the reasons above given, that question must be answered in the negative."

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=104&invol=621

http://www.tribal-institute.org/lists/jurisdiction.htm

I don't think it would be entirely illogical to explore the potential of Dylan being taken to a reservation. The local police can't just roll right on through there looking for him. The NA would likely be the ones to do the searching or allow special permission for local LE to search. I've looked at areal maps and it looks very isolated, modest homes spread very far apart, desert/arid looking conditions. I'm sure some, maybe even most, are not living in a bubble but it is still remarkably bubble-like... IMO.
 
  • #288
Does anyone think that Dylan is being "hidden" somewhere? Not specifically by MR either.

This crossed my mind in the beginning but I no longer think it's plausable because what would happen now? Would he just "show up" and everyone would say "oh, there you are!" I feel like it has gone on too long now for that to be a possibility.

I do feel that there is something weird to this though. I think the sighting of him and another boy on the highway was a true sighting but what happened to him after that? I honestly don't believe MR is involved. I could be wrong though, wouldn't be the first time.
 
  • #289
I really wish more parents taught their kids to stand up for themselves and be proactive. Dylan is 13 years old, he's not a baby. If he really didn't want to visit his dad he should have been told that flat out refusal was an option. You can't put a kicking screaming teenager on an airplane and the judge wouldn't toss his mother in jail for violating a court order, if he stood his ground.






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  • #290
So according to Google map, it appears that the nearest reservation, Ignacio, is about 24.8 total miles from Vallecito or County Road 501 (1 hour 1 minute).

Broken down: From Vallecito to Bayfield, it's 12.9 miles (33 minutes) and then from Bayfield to Ignacio it is another 11.9 miles (28 minutes).

It's not nearly as close as I imagined it was.

so what is the speed limit because the times on this seem weird. I mean 12.9 miles and it takes 33 min? as for 11.9 miles to take 28 min. Seems strange to me.

I'm pretty sure it isn't that long of a drive...I have taken it(but we might of been speeding).
 
  • #291
so what is the speed limit because the times on this seem weird. I mean 12.9 miles and it takes 33 min? as for 11.9 miles to take 28 min. Seems strange to me.

More traffic lights? More highway/higher speed zones in certain areas/routes? (or I guess slower speed zones)
 
  • #292
so what is the speed limit because the times on this seem weird. I mean 12.9 miles and it takes 33 min? as for 11.9 miles to take 28 min. Seems strange to me.

I'm pretty sure it isn't that long of a drive...I have taken it.

I just plugged in the three points on google map and that's what it said. I dunno - I just wanted to get an eyeball view of where everything was situated - because my first thought was that the reservation was very close to Vallecito Reservoir - which I found out that it's not! It's just a lot farther away than I had anticipated. Not to worry about the mileage/minutes. I just retyped what it showed on the map. May or may not be accurate.
 
  • #293
More traffic lights? More highway/higher speed zones in certain areas/routes? (or I guess slower speed zones)

there are no traffic light from bayfield to Ignacio...but if your driving at night you wouldn't speed the deer are bad. Maybe we were just speeding, the road is kinda curvy.
 
  • #294
I just plugged in the three points on google map and that's what it said. I dunno - I just wanted to get an eyeball view of where everything was situated - because my first thought was that the reservation was very close to Vallecito Reservoir - which I found out that it's not! It's just a lot farther away than I had anticipated. Not to worry about the mileage/minutes. I just retyped what it showed on the map. May or may not be accurate.

I think I just figured it out, I am mistakin, I was thinking it was Bayfield to Ignacio, but you were doing it from MR to there?
 
  • #295
I really wish more parents taught their kids to stand up for themselves and be proactive. Dylan is 13 years old, he's not a baby. If he really didn't want to visit his dad he should have been told that flat out refusal was an option. You can't put a kicking screaming teenager on an airplane and the judge wouldn't toss his mother in jail for violating a court order, if he stood his ground.






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I'd disagree the courts decisions take precedence over the child

Recently here in Aus there were 4 sisters born in Italy to italian father Australian mother. those girls kicked screamed and carried on a right treat when they were sent back to Italy to their father.
 
  • #296
there are no traffic light from bayfield to Ignacio...but if your driving at night you wouldn't speed the deer are bad. Maybe we were just speeding, the road is kinda curvy.

So probably slower speed zones due to the curves... making it roughly 30-35 mph?
 
  • #297
It's late so I may not be reading all of this correctly but it appears to me that Federal Authorities do not have jurisdiction for white on white crimes committed within NA territory. However, the State of Colorado may have certain rights to prosecute such crimes.

"The single question that we do or can decide in this case is that stated in the certificate of division of opinion, namely, whether the Circuit Court of the United States for the District of Colorado has jurisdiction of the crime of murder committed by a white man upon a white man within the Ute Reservation, and within the limits of the State of Colorado; and, for the reasons above given, that question must be answered in the negative."

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=104&invol=621

http://www.tribal-institute.org/lists/jurisdiction.htm

I don't think it would be entirely illogical to explore the potential of Dylan being taken to a reservation. The local police can't just roll right on through there looking for him. The NA would likely be the ones to do the searching or allow special permission for local LE to search. I've looked at areal maps and it looks very isolated, modest homes spread very far apart, desert/arid looking conditions. I'm sure some, maybe even most, are not living in a bubble but it is still remarkably bubble-like... IMO.

What you cited is for a trial. Of course a white on white TRIAL will take place in a State court and not through the tribal council since it is none of their business.

The Feds can and will "roll" through there any time they want. IMO

http://www.justice.gov/otj/fcl.htm
The United States Constitution, treaties, federal statutes, executive orders, and court decisions establish and define the unique legal and political relationship that exists between the United States and Indian tribes. Federal laws vest the Department of Justice with primary jurisdiction over most felonies that occur on Indian lands in most states. As such, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the United States Attorneys' Offices are the primary federal law enforcement agencies responsible for investigating and prosecuting most serious felony crimes that occur in Indian country including homicides, aggravated assaults, sex offenses, and large scale theft or embezzlement. Other federal law enforcement agencies are also active in Indian country; for example, the Drug Enforcement Administration (drug offenses), the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (firearms offenses and arson), United States Marshals Service (fugitives and sex offender investigations), and Customs and Border Protection (border offenses). Most common less serious misdemeanor crimes are usually investigated and prosecuted by tribal law enforcement agencies. Tribal police and tribal courts handle the majority of criminal offenses occurring in Indian country and often do so in ways that are appropriate given the priorities, needs, and resources of each particular tribal community.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/vc_majorthefts/indian

Protecting tribal communities is a little known—but highly important—responsibility of the FBI.

We’ve been helping to ensure safety and security in Indian Country* since our founding in 1908. Today, more than 100 special agents from 20 different field offices investigate cases on over 200 reservations nationwide. We work closely with a range of partners, including tribal police and federal agents from the Bureau of Indian Affairs. Our exact role varies from reservation to reservation, but we are generally responsible for the most serious crimes**—such as murder, child sexual and physical abuse, violent assaults, drug trafficking, gaming violations, and public corruption matters.

Over this discussion.
 
  • #298
I think I just figured it out, I am mistakin, I was thinking it was Bayfield to Ignacio, but you were doing it from MR to there?

Sorry - was having WS issues! I plugged in Vallecito first, then Bayfield, then Ignacio and provided the mileage between each.
 
  • #299
I think they are looking at prison time, if this actually happened. You don't steal a child, even your own, and then stand by while LE and FBI, etc. raise an expensive criminal investigation. Also, neither parent can legally withhold the child from the other. I would imagine a list of charges could be brought.

Not to mention, I still do not see the original point of doing so, even if it was a stupid one.

And that's exactly why I say it wasn't thought through and now they don't know what to do to get out of it.
 
  • #300
I really wish more parents taught their kids to stand up for themselves and be proactive. Dylan is 13 years old, he's not a baby. If he really didn't want to visit his dad he should have been told that flat out refusal was an option. You can't put a kicking screaming teenager on an airplane and the judge wouldn't toss his mother in jail for violating a court order, if he stood his ground.






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I missed the part where he was kicking and screaming. And until we find Dylan and he says out of his own mouth he didn't want to see his father, I'm not going to believe it. JMO
 
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