CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[abanddb123]

OK, I've digested the court documents

Here is some things I noticed

MBM has given a good synopsis of what was happening on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday morning.

DM gives a somewhat unsure detail of Wednesday, Thursday, Friday but recalls more ss time went on

DM appears to criticise MBM as a mother when it comes to lilly and Jack and portrays an image of himself as super dad

MBM portrays DM as brilliant with lilly and jack but doesn't discuss his parenting role re meadow and portrays herself as over stimulated and overwhelmed

Both extended family members helped in the search but even though DMs family would be more familiar with the land it was MBMs family that found ' evidence "

Not all of the underside of the trailer could be searched but the majority was ,no mention of the underneath of janies RV being searched with a drone ,I understand it has wheels so prehaps there was a clear view

DM got into the vehicle after searching the immediate home and yard and began searching the wooded area on foot after driving around searching ditches ,roads and culverts.

Neither party were estranged from family . Prior to living in the trailer they lived with Maleyha's grandma ,the same grandma that gave her money for car ,groceries and gas .

When informed of lilly and jack going missing janies brother Ron called to the property but later went to town with his mother ,don't know if this is janies mum and dainiels grandma too

My opinion on extended family members witnessing the children on Thursday after dollarama . CM stated she saw the kids on video call . I wonder was it recorded or do we trust she is true to her word ? Janie hearing the children on Friday morning. She states she spoke to Ron at 8.48am and can't remember if she heard her dog barking before or after the call and she then heard the kids talking and laughing playing on the swings . She then falls asleep and was awoken by Daniel yelling for the kids .

One thing to note janie stated ,when she heard Daniel yelling she thought nothing of it at first as jack likes to search for bugs and stuff and Daniel would do that ( im speculating to mean yelling ) if he ( jack ) does . Is my interpretation wrong or would this statement appear to say yelling at jack and prehaps both children was normality?

DM stated when he leaves the house he brings his phone and keeps location on but when he first went out looking for lilly and jack in MBMs vehicle he did not have it with him . Understandable if you are anxious and panicked to find missing children but if one was thinking logically in a calmed sense they would bring the phone in case kids returned in the interim.

MBM states Daniel was getting annoyed with LE on first day .

MBM did not sleep much the first night . DM did prehaps tired from searching.

DM and MBM where fully cooperative in handing over phones ,banking information and anything else that would help investigators.

Lilly and jacks teacher ,never met MBM in person but spoke to her over the phone

When the kids went missing MBM made a comment to her mum CM stating " I told you they were autistic " . Being a mum myself to an autistic child I'm speculating MBM was stating the kids were a flight ( escape ) risk and by her use of the wording " see I told you " I'm assuming prehaps CM did not believe the kids had possible autism prior?

Sorry the post is long just wanted to bullet list the points that I felt might help when discussing the documents.

But at one point, mom states they wouldn't just wonder off, while Daniel states , u just offer them food and they will go with anyone.

 

[MistyWaters]

MBM…….portrays herself as over stimulated and overwhelmed…..

……When the kids went missing MBM made a comment to her mum CM stating " I told you they were autistic " . Being a mum myself to an autistic child I'm speculating MBM was stating the kids were a flight ( escape ) risk and by her use of the wording " see I told you " I'm assuming prehaps CM did not believe the kids had possible autism prior?….

Excellent summary! Just borrowing a couple of your points in addition to it being mentioned that MBM talked to her mother on the phone 2 or 3 times every day. This gives me the impression the mother had a fair amount of influence over MBMs decision making. I wonder was she discouraging MBM from having the children tested for autism…..ie “it’s just the age they’re at, they’ll grow out of it”.

Meanwhile MBM is flailing and floundering in deep water if she’s not getting the support she requires if indeed she’s the parent two autistic children. What then? She seemed so frail and fragile to me when she gave that only interview. I sincerely hope she’s getting the support she needs now.

The greater tragedy is if Lilly and Jack had been tested and diagnosed as autistic, it likely would’ve changed the dynamics of the unsuccessful search for them at the onset. As we learned in the search for Darius Macdougall, loud noises and bright lights might’ve scared the children into deeper hiding, rather than aiding in finding them. Maybe it would’ve been wise to give the children the benefit of the doubt and readjust search tactics?

All JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

But at one point, mom states they wouldn't just wonder off, while Daniel states , u just offer them food and they will go with anyone.

In MBMs one and only media interview, she doesn’t describe the children to be shy of strangers.

BBM

‘We just want them home’: Mother of missing children in Nova Scotia’s Pictou County pleads for safe return

The mother of two missing children in Nova Scotia’s Pictou County is pleading for their safe return.

www.ctvnews.ca

“They’re both really happy-go-lucky children. They’re so sweet. They talk to anyone. They’ll talk your ear off. They will speak to anyone in a store, everyone. They’re just extremely sweet kids,” said Brooks-Murray.“

 

[Bigditch]

The high rate of human trafficking in Nova Scotia comes from a very specific source. North Preston's Finest grooms teenage girls from group homes, via the "boyfriend game". (Happened to my best friend a few decades ago, and they're still at it.) They're brutal, ruthless, amoral trafficking pimps of the worst order. But trafficking kidnapped children has never been on their rap sheet, or even an accusation. They don't sell small children. They "work" their "girls" in strip clubs and escorting.




The way it makes sense, is if you think of it not as a weapon but as a booby trap. It's a poor man's alarm system.

When I lived with someone who was running a cash business out of home, they worried about their own customer base breaking in to steal. They were always dreaming up weird booby trap ideas, for the cash and the doors. They wanted to be woken up if someone tried to break in at night.

Lilly and Jack Sullivan Documents - 1 — the Canadian Gothic

searcn and seizure application related to telephones belonging to Daniel and Malehya

thecanadiangothic.com

The Canadian Gothic, podcast contains a well organized professional outlook on the case that I thought insightful.

 

[MistyWaters]

What does DM think he knows?
Transcript below starting after 7 minutes into this video.

Q. So what does this tell you now that the cadaver dogs were in and didn’t find anything? Do you think, like, the the part of the woods, do you think it should be case closed?

DM. It should be case closed. It should have been case closed from the very start. Because the amount of resources and technology and amount of searchers and everyone deployed in that first initial search, that was a lot. That was a 8 kilometre range outwards and it’s just…..the amount of money and people’s time, injuries that were sustained, people should’ve just opened their eyes to see that we need to look elsewhere. I’ve pointed many fingers and I think that’s where the people should look.

Q. Not here?

DM. Not here. The fingers have been pointed. Let’s start taking a look.

 

[twomoresmores]

My 2 cents and I'm sure others may be better to answer....

Unsure if you're Canadian but typically Canadian LE keep things very close to the chest/vest and can be slow to build a case with some crimes.

They may have evidence or circumstantial evidence but might be being strategic to get a slam dunk at trial so to speak. LE have to have all their I's dotted and T's crossed to get a solid case in the courts and get that conviction. Too risky to rush to trial if it's half-baked.

CCTV footage can take many man hours, unsure they use AI with that. Unsure how much AI is used just yet in Canadian digital forensics but personally, I this might be one of the few things AI can be helpful for is solving crimes!

They may still be doing repeat interviews with witnesses (not core players like DM, JM, MBM, etc.)

I think to get a conviction, bodies help. Circumstantial cases hold up but they have to be solid. So they may go back and forth over evidence, interviews, all kinds of things to find where the kids might have ended up.

And yeah, I think with a hefty reward that helps getting people talking for sure.

So I think LE are being very very patient if they have their eye on someone. They may even be surveilling them but if they are they won't be telling the media, YouTubers or anyone!

Thanks for this. What you've said makes a lot of sense.

 

[su5ie]

What does DM think he knows?
Transcript below starting after 7 minutes into this video.

Q. So what does this tell you now that the cadaver dogs were in and didn’t find anything? Do you think, like, the the part of the woods, do you think it should be case closed?

DM. It should be case closed. It should have been case closed from the very start. Because the amount of resources and technology and amount of searchers and everyone deployed in that first initial search, that was a lot. That was a 8 kilometre range outwards and it’s just…..the amount of money and people’s time, injuries that were sustained, people should’ve just opened their eyes to see that we need to look elsewhere. I’ve pointed many fingers and I think that’s where the people should look.

Q. Not here?

DM. Not here. The fingers have been pointed. Let’s start taking a look.

DM states case should have been closed from the start , I'm assuming meaning after that first search ,OK Wow . First of all he states a huge amount of resources have gone into searching the woods and then he states peoples time and injuries.

I get empathy prehaps concern for people giving so much of themselves to the search . But would grateful not be better words to express here!! What I don't get is his his worry about how much money is being spent on finding his step children. From the tone of the language used he seems to feel its a waste hmmm . Never heard a parent of missing children concerned about what was being spent ?? More funds yes .

Now his statement, fingers have been pointed , now let's take a look .

Question , whom has pointed fingers? The rcmp ,? YT influencers ? fb huns ? Mbms family ? Himself? As far as I'm aware only fingers being pointed are on SM and the incident that possibly could be construed as a finger pointing one could be the argument between two families on May the 3rd which was reported in msm but was that argument re meadow remaining on the property, lilly and jack or accusations being fired either way

So my summary of these statements is he feels any additional resources put into searching the woods by rcmp or volunteers is a waste of time . How does he know its not a case that they haven't been found yet and two he wants the rcmp to invest time ,money and resources into investigating whoever is at the end of the finger being pointed ??? OK

 

[Greenestdays]

Has the existence of the "nearby swamp" been discussed here before? Does anyone know how easy a swamp would be to comprehensively search compared to, say a lake? I'm wondering if there's any possibility that Jack and Lilly could have ended up in there and been missed during the searches

Swamps are extremely difficult to search. You can’t use divers like you can in a lake and the ground can hide evidence almost immediately, so even finding a spot where to search can be very difficult.

There was a tragic case in Lithuania in the beginning of the year where 4 US soldiers died after their vehicle sunk in a swamp. It took days to recover the bodies even though the rescuers had a rough idea where to look. IIRC they used dogs, special drones and sonar (and lots of heavy machinery) to locate and extract the vehicle and victims.

Dogs, drones join search for missing US soldier in Lithuania

An Estonian K9 team, as well as specialised drones and rescue dogs, have joined the operation to find the last missing U...

www.lrt.lt

 

[su5ie]

Anyone good at maps to give a visual of where the swamp is located in relation to the trailer