CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[MistyWaters]

MBM…….portrays herself as over stimulated and overwhelmed…..

……When the kids went missing MBM made a comment to her mum CM stating " I told you they were autistic " . Being a mum myself to an autistic child I'm speculating MBM was stating the kids were a flight ( escape ) risk and by her use of the wording " see I told you " I'm assuming prehaps CM did not believe the kids had possible autism prior?….

Excellent summary! Just borrowing a couple of your points in addition to it being mentioned that MBM talked to her mother on the phone 2 or 3 times every day. This gives me the impression the mother had a fair amount of influence over MBMs decision making. I wonder was she discouraging MBM from having the children tested for autism…..ie “it’s just the age they’re at, they’ll grow out of it”.

Meanwhile MBM is flailing and floundering in deep water if she’s not getting the support she requires if indeed she’s the parent two autistic children. What then? She seemed so frail and fragile to me when she gave that only interview. I sincerely hope she’s getting the support she needs now.

The greater tragedy is if Lilly and Jack had been tested and diagnosed as autistic, it likely would’ve changed the dynamics of the unsuccessful search for them at the onset. As we learned in the search for Darius Macdougall, loud noises and bright lights might’ve scared the children into deeper hiding, rather than aiding in finding them. Maybe it would’ve been wise to give the children the benefit of the doubt and readjust search tactics?

All JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

But at one point, mom states they wouldn't just wonder off, while Daniel states , u just offer them food and they will go with anyone.

In MBMs one and only media interview, she doesn’t describe the children to be shy of strangers.

BBM

‘We just want them home’: Mother of missing children in Nova Scotia’s Pictou County pleads for safe return

The mother of two missing children in Nova Scotia’s Pictou County is pleading for their safe return.

www.ctvnews.ca

“They’re both really happy-go-lucky children. They’re so sweet. They talk to anyone. They’ll talk your ear off. They will speak to anyone in a store, everyone. They’re just extremely sweet kids,” said Brooks-Murray.“

 

[MistyWaters]

What does DM think he knows?
Transcript below starting after 7 minutes into this video.

Q. So what does this tell you now that the cadaver dogs were in and didn’t find anything? Do you think, like, the the part of the woods, do you think it should be case closed?

DM. It should be case closed. It should have been case closed from the very start. Because the amount of resources and technology and amount of searchers and everyone deployed in that first initial search, that was a lot. That was a 8 kilometre range outwards and it’s just…..the amount of money and people’s time, injuries that were sustained, people should’ve just opened their eyes to see that we need to look elsewhere. I’ve pointed many fingers and I think that’s where the people should look.

Q. Not here?

DM. Not here. The fingers have been pointed. Let’s start taking a look.

 

[twomoresmores]

My 2 cents and I'm sure others may be better to answer....

Unsure if you're Canadian but typically Canadian LE keep things very close to the chest/vest and can be slow to build a case with some crimes.

They may have evidence or circumstantial evidence but might be being strategic to get a slam dunk at trial so to speak. LE have to have all their I's dotted and T's crossed to get a solid case in the courts and get that conviction. Too risky to rush to trial if it's half-baked.

CCTV footage can take many man hours, unsure they use AI with that. Unsure how much AI is used just yet in Canadian digital forensics but personally, I this might be one of the few things AI can be helpful for is solving crimes!

They may still be doing repeat interviews with witnesses (not core players like DM, JM, MBM, etc.)

I think to get a conviction, bodies help. Circumstantial cases hold up but they have to be solid. So they may go back and forth over evidence, interviews, all kinds of things to find where the kids might have ended up.

And yeah, I think with a hefty reward that helps getting people talking for sure.

So I think LE are being very very patient if they have their eye on someone. They may even be surveilling them but if they are they won't be telling the media, YouTubers or anyone!

Thanks for this. What you've said makes a lot of sense.

 

[su5ie]

What does DM think he knows?
Transcript below starting after 7 minutes into this video.

Q. So what does this tell you now that the cadaver dogs were in and didn’t find anything? Do you think, like, the the part of the woods, do you think it should be case closed?

DM. It should be case closed. It should have been case closed from the very start. Because the amount of resources and technology and amount of searchers and everyone deployed in that first initial search, that was a lot. That was a 8 kilometre range outwards and it’s just…..the amount of money and people’s time, injuries that were sustained, people should’ve just opened their eyes to see that we need to look elsewhere. I’ve pointed many fingers and I think that’s where the people should look.

Q. Not here?

DM. Not here. The fingers have been pointed. Let’s start taking a look.

DM states case should have been closed from the start , I'm assuming meaning after that first search ,OK Wow . First of all he states a huge amount of resources have gone into searching the woods and then he states peoples time and injuries.

I get empathy prehaps concern for people giving so much of themselves to the search . But would grateful not be better words to express here!! What I don't get is his his worry about how much money is being spent on finding his step children. From the tone of the language used he seems to feel its a waste hmmm . Never heard a parent of missing children concerned about what was being spent ?? More funds yes .

Now his statement, fingers have been pointed , now let's take a look .

Question , whom has pointed fingers? The rcmp ,? YT influencers ? fb huns ? Mbms family ? Himself? As far as I'm aware only fingers being pointed are on SM and the incident that possibly could be construed as a finger pointing one could be the argument between two families on May the 3rd which was reported in msm but was that argument re meadow remaining on the property, lilly and jack or accusations being fired either way

So my summary of these statements is he feels any additional resources put into searching the woods by rcmp or volunteers is a waste of time . How does he know its not a case that they haven't been found yet and two he wants the rcmp to invest time ,money and resources into investigating whoever is at the end of the finger being pointed ??? OK

 

[Greenestdays]

Has the existence of the "nearby swamp" been discussed here before? Does anyone know how easy a swamp would be to comprehensively search compared to, say a lake? I'm wondering if there's any possibility that Jack and Lilly could have ended up in there and been missed during the searches

Swamps are extremely difficult to search. You can’t use divers like you can in a lake and the ground can hide evidence almost immediately, so even finding a spot where to search can be very difficult.

There was a tragic case in Lithuania in the beginning of the year where 4 US soldiers died after their vehicle sunk in a swamp. It took days to recover the bodies even though the rescuers had a rough idea where to look. IIRC they used dogs, special drones and sonar (and lots of heavy machinery) to locate and extract the vehicle and victims.

Dogs, drones join search for missing US soldier in Lithuania

An Estonian K9 team, as well as specialised drones and rescue dogs, have joined the operation to find the last missing U...

www.lrt.lt

 

[su5ie]

Anyone good at maps to give a visual of where the swamp is located in relation to the trailer

 

[Twistinginthewind]

The high rate of human trafficking in Nova Scotia comes from a very specific source. North Preston's Finest grooms teenage girls from group homes, via the "boyfriend game". (Happened to my best friend a few decades ago, and they're still at it.) They're brutal, ruthless, amoral trafficking pimps of the worst order. But trafficking kidnapped children has never been on their rap sheet, or even an accusation. They don't sell small children. They "work" their "girls" in strip clubs and escorting.




The way it makes sense, is if you think of it not as a weapon but as a booby trap. It's a poor man's alarm system.

When I lived with someone who was running a cash business out of home, they worried about their own customer base breaking in to steal. They were always dreaming up weird booby trap ideas, for the cash and the doors. They wanted to be woken up if someone tried to break in at night.

Lilly and Jack Sullivan Documents - 1 — the Canadian Gothic

searcn and seizure application related to telephones belonging to Daniel and Malehya

thecanadiangothic.com

Thanks for this info, that's awful to hear of, and that it's been going on for such a long time.

The recent increase in human trafficking cases in NS to NB in the last few years, cited in the document I linked to, is not specific to which types of humans, e.g., teenage females sold into the forced trade you mention, adult men or women sold into the forced labor trade, or children sold into a new family, etc.

So maybe it's just me, but the existence of any type of human trafficking network between NS and NB with "known-to-LE cases" documented by the government as on the rise in the last few years doesn't exclude the possibility 2 young siblings who were "vulnerable" as stated by LE were trafficked.

It's a very "for profit" driven market, IMO, and considering there may be unknown cases for unknown reasons to traffic certain classes of people, etc.

It could happen much more often to vulnerable people from all walks of life than LE knows of.

So it's a keeping hope alive scenario that Liily and Jack could be far away in a new home if they didn't wander away.

JMO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

My 2 cents and I'm sure others may be better to answer....

Unsure if you're Canadian but typically Canadian LE keep things very close to the chest/vest and can be slow to build a case with some crimes.

They may have evidence or circumstantial evidence but might be being strategic to get a slam dunk at trial so to speak. LE have to have all their I's dotted and T's crossed to get a solid case in the courts and get that conviction. Too risky to rush to trial if it's half-baked.

CCTV footage can take many man hours, unsure they use AI with that. Unsure how much AI is used just yet in Canadian digital forensics but personally, I this might be one of the few things AI can be helpful for is solving crimes!

They may still be doing repeat interviews with witnesses (not core players like DM, JM, MBM, etc.)

I think to get a conviction, bodies help. Circumstantial cases hold up but they have to be solid. So they may go back and forth over evidence, interviews, all kinds of things to find where the kids might have ended up.

And yeah, I think with a hefty reward that helps getting people talking for sure.

So I think LE are being very very patient if they have their eye on someone. They may even be surveilling them but if they are they won't be telling the media, YouTubers or anyone!

Good points, it takes time and is complex running down all the possibilities....

Since LE said at the conclusion of the first search (paraphrasing here: the quote & link was recently reposted upthread) it seemed unlikely they were still alive thereabouts if they wandered from home, they'll be working for as long as it takes to find out what happened to them/where they are.

JMO

 

[su5ie]

Good points, it takes time and is complex running down all the possibilities....

Since LE said at the conclusion of the first search (paraphrasing here: the quote & link was recently reposted upthread) it seemed unlikely they were still alive thereabouts if they wandered from home, they'll be working for as long as it takes to find out what happened to them/where they are.

JMO

And remember the latest update states they have no evidence that indicates the children are dead .

 

[su5ie]

What does it mean by custodial concealment for context I came across this . I'm unsure if it was written up by AI , I just thought it was a good guide , and yes it was on SM


In general, when two children go missing together, investigators tend to focus on three main categories of explanation. Here are the top three most common reasons, based on patterns seen in missing children cases:

1. Abduction (Familial or Non-Familial)
This is one of the leading causes when multiple children disappear together.
a. Familial Abduction:
Taken by a parent, relative, or someone known to the family — often tied to custody disputes, domestic violence, or fear of losing access to the children.
The abductor may flee to another area, change identities, or hide the children from authorities.
b. Non-Familial (Stranger) Abduction:
Abducted by someone outside the family, sometimes opportunistic (e.g., lured, forced, or targeted).
May involve a single offender with a plan, or someone familiar but not trusted (neighbor, acquaintance, etc.).

2. Accident or Environmental Misadventure
Sometimes, two children wander off together and experience a tragic or unforeseen event.
They may have gotten lost, fallen, or been trapped somewhere (e.g., water, abandoned property, wilderness).
This scenario is especially considered when the disappearance happens suddenly without signs of struggle or planning.
Environmental searches (like ground, air, and canine units) often focus on this early in investigations.

3. Foul Play / Criminal Activity
When both children vanish and evidence suggests they didn’t leave voluntarily, investigators consider:
Homicide or concealment of remains by an individual known to the family or living nearby.
Retaliation, cover-up, or panic following an accident (e.g., someone unintentionally causes harm and then tries to hide it).
In rare cases, connection to organized crime or trafficking, though this is statistically much less likely in rural or domestic cases.

Other (Less Common) Scenarios
Runaway / intentional disappearance: Extremely rare for two younger children at once, but possible if they felt unsafe or were influenced by someone.
Abandonment / neglect: If caretakers are overwhelmed or impaired, children can wander away or become lost.
Custodial concealment: Sometimes framed as “protective” by a parent who doesn’t trust the system.

 

[Ontario Mom]

What does DM think he knows?
Transcript below starting after 7 minutes into this video.

Q. So what does this tell you now that the cadaver dogs were in and didn’t find anything? Do you think, like, the the part of the woods, do you think it should be case closed?

DM. It should be case closed. It should have been case closed from the very start. Because the amount of resources and technology and amount of searchers and everyone deployed in that first initial search, that was a lot. That was a 8 kilometre range outwards and it’s just…..the amount of money and people’s time, injuries that were sustained, people should’ve just opened their eyes to see that we need to look elsewhere. I’ve pointed many fingers and I think that’s where the people should look.

Q. Not here?

DM. Not here. The fingers have been pointed. Let’s start taking a look.

My takeaway was after the initial searches the day of disappearance, and in the immediate days afterward, DM thought it was a waste of time/resources continuing to search that location, since they didn't find the kids.

I seem to recall some folks here pretty much saying the same thing - with all those searchers and them not finding the kids, folks suspected they weren't actually in the woods in the first place (or never were). Maybe once the searches happened, DM began thinking the same thing, and started thinking of specific people he might be suspicious of? Total speculation based on his comments & based on presumption of his innocence.

jmo

 

[Sarahlou]

DM states case should have been closed from the start , I'm assuming meaning after that first search ,OK Wow . First of all he states a huge amount of resources have gone into searching the woods and then he states peoples time and injuries.

I get empathy prehaps concern for people giving so much of themselves to the search . But would grateful not be better words to express here!! What I don't get is his his worry about how much money is being spent on finding his step children. From the tone of the language used he seems to feel its a waste hmmm . Never heard a parent of missing children concerned about what was being spent ?? More funds yes .

Now his statement, fingers have been pointed , now let's take a look .

Question , whom has pointed fingers? The rcmp ,? YT influencers ? fb huns ? Mbms family ? Himself? As far as I'm aware only fingers being pointed are on SM and the incident that possibly could be construed as a finger pointing one could be the argument between two families on May the 3rd which was reported in msm but was that argument re meadow remaining on the property, lilly and jack or accusations being fired either way

So my summary of these statements is he feels any additional resources put into searching the woods by rcmp or volunteers is a waste of time . How does he know its not a case that they haven't been found yet and two he wants the rcmp to invest time ,money and resources into investigating whoever is at the end of the finger being pointed ??? OK

Right from the start he's been implying he knows more. In the CBC interview he said "there's a lot more than meets the eye with the case" and said someone started the drug party rumour to "take the heat off themselves"

 

[Greenestdays]

Apparently MBM has issued a statement recently via Crissy Travers, who claims to be with the Please Bring Me Home organization. Has this been discussed here already? I only have social media links and I can’t find anything on MSM, which makes me very suspicious.

 

[su5ie]

Apparently MBM has issued a statement recently via Crissy Travers, who claims to be with the Please Bring Me Home organization. Has this been discussed here already? I only have social media links and I can’t find anything on MSM, which makes me very suspicious.

Saw this and same only a SM link ,will keep looking to see if MSM has picked up on the story

 

[Bigditch]

Apparently MBM has issued a statement recently via Crissy Travers, who claims to be with the Please Bring Me Home organization. Has this been discussed here already? I only have social media links and I can’t find anything on MSM, which makes me very suspicious.

Not that I'm aware.

 

[Bigditch]

I wonder if anyone in the vicinity has a criminal record?

 

[abanddb123]

Right from the start he's been implying he knows more. In the CBC interview he said "there's a lot more than meets the eye with the case" and said someone started the drug party rumour to "take the heat off themselves"

Does anyone know who started the drug party rumors?