CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #19

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  • #561
What kind of help do you think the public would be able to provide LE? The general public is not trained in investigations. Some might like to think they are detectives, but I think most wouldn't have a clue how to go about it.

As for the people in that area, they may not know any more than we do. If someone knew something, saw or heard something, they should have already come forward by now.

I can't see any benefit to LE holding a PC to announce that they're stumped and need the public's help. All that would do is cause everybody to lose confidence in their local LE and they don't need that.

They may not have had much experience with missing kids in that area, but the FBI is highly experienced and trained. If they can't figure this out, I doubt the general public can.

It is definitely possible that someone could have beneficial information but not know of its significance. If someone isn't aware of the case, they aren't going to think what they saw/heard/know was important. There has to be a reason why media coverage for these cases is almost coveted.
 
  • #562
Well, at least you're willing to think about other possibilities, instead of just believing that Mark killed him because the majority believes it.

There is also the possibility that he was outside, on or near the road, and some perv came along and offered him a ride. Forget the preconceived ideas that "he wouldn't thumb a ride" and all that... we don't know what any kid that age might do, not even our own kids.

Just keep an open mind... that's what all of us should do.



ITA - we should ALL keep an open mind.

bbm - Also I need to say, I don't think it's accurate that everyone here who believes MR is involved believes so because "that's what the majority believes". AKA "bangwagon", groupthink, lynch mob, and similar terms (not your words, but they've all been used). From what I've observed, most folks who post on this thread are intelligent, thoughtful, and formulate their own thoughts and aren't basing their opinion on what's popular.
I don't think most people are looking at MR because it's "easy" or obvious" but it's a realistic unavoidable option that needs to be examined, IMO.


With that said, I do try looking at different alteratives.


I think we have to remember we're on thread 19 and have been at this for a while. We haven't been on MR the entire time, even if it feels that way to some. There were other avenues explored and researched but eventually those discussions all fizzled out.



However, let's take the example that you mentioned of a pervy stranger abduction. Completely worth looking at. This was either perpetrated by someone known to Dylan or a stranger.
If he was picked up by a stranger, here are a few questions...

--If this was the scenario, we're looking at a crime between 7:30- 11:30. WHY is that not the focus LOUD AND CLEAR? Why is LE not coming out asking for witnesses, footage, accounts of missing family/friends/associates during this time, and/or strange behavior after this time? Why not make it clear that the previous night is a non-issue? CLEAR MR and turn ALL ATTENTION to those 4 hours.
--Did Dylan get into the vehicle willingly? Or was it forceful? I'm guessing willingly.
--Dylan could only have walked so far. If he left on foot around 8am, how far could he have walked, were there any potential witnesses on the road that Monday morning? Did the dogs trace the route he would've walked if he were headed towards his friend's?
-- If this was a stranger abduction, was it a local in Bayfield/Vallecito/Durango -- Colorado -- out of state? Does LE have any idea? If they have reason to believe he's local, would they conduct the investigation different .... would they be warning the community that there's a predator at large? Would they be communicating more, asking for more help, being more active than passive, more canvassing? If they believe it was a stranger abduction but don't believe he's still local -- wouldn't they change the approach and rely more on the general public using the national media to show Dylan's face, putting every resource into the case?


I'm not sure of the right questions to ask or the exact answers, but I'm looking at different scenarios until Dylan is found, even though I have personal suspicions at times. I understand that some folks refuse to look at any potential involvement on MR's part, so it does make a full open discussion more difficult but hopefully we all can just agree to disagree and ignore what we don't appreciate.

Either way, something's gotta give.
 
  • #563
Actually, some of us clued right in on the 'father' of the girl whose house she went to , and were suspicious of him immediately. WS rocks.

He's not her father. Nobody here knew about him.
 
  • #564
I honestly think if he gave a full account to le and passed a poly LE would have come out and said this man has been cleared of all suspicion. I would see no reason for them not to.
JMO

I agree, but didn't ER take a poly and hasn't she been cooperating? They have not come out and said she was cleared. I in no way think she is connected to a disappearance, but the same should apply to MR as her. jmo
 
  • #565
I just don't think it is obvious to the average person to think about people who acted oddly, called in sick, cleaned their cars, etc. we here are used to hearing those things from LE but most people are not. They need to be asked to consider these ideas. It may already be too late in this case, but since it was a holiday week, now might be a good time to ask folks to think back. People had company visiting, etc...what if the perp was a guest of a local? What if he is coming again this week?


I think this is the big issue with getting the OFFICIAL word out to the public. The vague, somewhat coded statements made by LE from the very beginning have left everyone with more questions than answers.
Think about how confused and conflicted we are as we analyze and compare statements and context each time LE breathes, trying to deduct any meaning from it. I don't mean this in a critical way, but LE isn't making it easy for the public to help. Perhaps they don't need the help, but if they do -- it's not going well.
 
  • #566
Jessica Ridgeway is a perfect example of criteria not being met for an Amber Alert. If they truly suspect abduction, they need to alert the public with an Amber Alert. MOO.
 
  • #567
Jessica Ridgeway is a perfect example of criteria not being met for an Amber Alert. If they truly suspect abduction, they need to alert the public with an Amber Alert. MOO.

An Amber Alert would not have helped Jessica, IMO. What info did LE have to give the public? An AA means they have a person and/or vehicle to look out for. JMO
 
  • #568
Jessica Ridgeway is a perfect example of criteria not being met for an Amber Alert. If they truly suspect abduction, they need to alert the public with an Amber Alert. MOO.

But there was an amber alert for her
 
  • #569
An Amber Alert would not have helped Jessica, IMO. What info did LE have to give the public? An AA means they have a person and/or vehicle to look out for. JMO

An Amber Alert was issued for Jessica...and it most definately helped get her recognition. Had she still been alive, it could have helped bring her home. MOO
 
  • #570
So the LE needs to rule out everything and be left with an abduction. In Jessica's case she was clearly abducted. In Dylan's case it is not clear. Got it.
 
  • #571
An Amber Alert was issued for Jessica...and it most definately helped get her recognition. Had she still been alive, it could have helped bring her home. MOO

I guess it goes back to the argument of issuing them for all missing kids, or not. I think the system would be swamped. But a new kind of alert should be arranged or parameters changed for the AA.
 
  • #572
Here's a great website started by the parent of a missing child (he found her) on how to spread the word using social media. It's amazing what he's been able to put together.

From the site:

Find Your Missing Child
Our founder used Social Media to find his daughter.
Now he's teaching other families how they can employ the same techniques.

http://www.findyourmissingchild.org/

It would be great if LE would give a brochure on this site to families of missing persons.
 
  • #573
That's a good example. He was obvious to the police. They even took him in for questioning. But he wasn't obvious to anyone here. We didn't even know of his existence.

The police in Dylan's case
, or any missing child case, can have somebody in their sights and the public not know who it is.


IMO - I doubt it in this case. I just do not buy anybody else fitting in with all the other co-wink-a-dinks that exist here .
 
  • #574
Here's a great website started by the parent of a missing child (he found her) on how to spread the word using social media. It's amazing what he's been able to put together.

From the site:

Find Your Missing Child
Our founder used Social Media to find his daughter.
Now he's teaching other families how they can employ the same techniques.

http://www.findyourmissingchild.org/

It would be great if LE would give a brochure on this site to families of missing persons.

I start Facebook pages for missing children, and have been very successful. Social media works! MOO
 
  • #575
The thing about Dylan being alive and hidden...if so, I doubt very much he is in a position to be spotted. This is a felony crime. Yeah, I know, Elizabeth Smart, etc. but I think it very unlikely, personally. Also, Dylan has zero face recognition compared to what she had. That was national and international from day one. All of the photos of Dylan are so different from one another. And he has very little media in comparison. Sure, social media is a must, just in case. I still look to LE for...something, I guess. They say he is a crime victim. Most times, crime victims are not out and about to be spotted. Jmo
 
  • #576
The thing about Dylan being alive and hidden...if so, I doubt very much he is in a position to be spotted. This is a felony crime. Yeah, I know, Elizabeth Smart, etc. but I think it very unlikely, personally. Also, Dylan has zero face recognition compared to what she had. That was national and international from day one. All of the photos of Dylan are so different from one another. And he has very little media in comparison. Sure, social media is a must, just in case. I still look to LE for...something, I guess. They say he is a crime victim. Most times, crime victims are not out and about to be spotted. Jmo

I completely agree, but we must keep hope alive, even if it's just a glimmer. He very well could be alive somewhere, we simply can't lose hope because the odds are stacked against him. I have hope, just as I did for Aliahna and Jessica, up until the very last moment I will have hope for Dylan.

Merry Christmas to you all!
 
  • #577
What reasons did LE use to classify Dylan as NOT A RUNAWAY?

11/28/12

“There’s a combination of factors,” Bender said. “There’s been the passage of time without any sightings; Dylan was not a visitor but had friends here; he has a history of staying in contact with his family and friends; and there’s been nothing on his cellphone record since he was reported missing."

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From there to here - LE's request:

Specifically, investigators would like to talk to anyone who was taking photos or shooting videos that show vehicles along the typical routes between Vallecito and Durango from 6 p.m. Nov. 18 to noon Nov. 19. That would include County Road 501 and Florida Road (County Road 240).

http://durangoherald.com/article/20...2/Dylan-Redwine-did-not-run-away-police-say--

BBM

That tells me they are looking at MR comings and goings.

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Also from article

Mark Redwine said Dylan had made tentative plans to meet friends at 6:30 a.m. Monday morning, but “nothing was etched in stone.” Bender said Dylan didn’t contact the friends then.

But from the text messages released, we know that Dylan had made 6:30 am plans for Monday....why else would his friend text him around 6:49 am to see where he was?

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/0/SEARCH/A-boy’s-life

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Also from article

Redwine declined any possibility of more comment, saying he wanted the attention to stay on his son, not him. He declined to be formally interviewed.

I ask, why has MR NOT made a plea for his son's return or information without mentioning himself??
 
  • #578
  • #579
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Also from article

Mark Redwine said Dylan had made tentative plans to meet friends at 6:30 a.m. Monday morning, but “nothing was etched in stone.” Bender said Dylan didn’t contact the friends then.

But from the text messages released, we know that Dylan had made 6:30 am plans for Monday....why else would his friend text him around 6:49 am to see where he was?



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I ask, why has MR NOT made a plea for his son's return or information without mentioning himself??


See this just proves to me MR to is a liar ( MOO , IMO)

Them plans was set in stone. Dylan made the plans and pushed them though!!


I think MR says " tentative" because he does not want people raising the question of why Dylan would of slept in MOO
 
  • #580
A local news reporter posted on the Find DR facebook page that he wants to interview ER or MR.
 
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