CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #19

[vasportsmom]

Merry Christmas Dylan, I really thought we would have answers for you by now. My heart is heavy and so full of anger that you aren't with your mom tonight. I can't begin to imagine what the holidays have been like for her and your big brothers. This should be a time of joy & celebration but there can be no doubt that the hearts of those that love you are filled with pain and sorrow right now. I would forego ever making another Christmas wish if by some miracle you could be returned to your family today. If only we could turn back time for you and yours. You deserve to be back home little one and my only hope is that you will be very soon.

 

[Bravo]

All of those missing will be in my Prayers. It is bad enough but now we are at Holiday time. A time of sharing and caring with those we love. So many on this board we read about will not have that. Heartbreaking. My heart goes out to them tenfold. Such a disposable Society we live in. Where ever you are Dylan I hope you are drawing some comfort. I tend to think you are in God's arms. I hope i am wrong. If i am i hate to think you are living a nightmare. You need to come home. Like all the others. No matter the outcome. Families deserve to know. And I always pray Justice will prevail.

 

[LJKaust]

Just dropping by quickly to say that I am thinking of Dylan and his family.

 

[LauraT]

Thinking of Dylan today too. :christmastree:

 

[SCHMAE]

Merry Christmas Dylan!

 

[TxLady2]

From what Elaine said on Nancy Grace on December 3rd, it sounded to me like Dylan's norm was to go and do all day, and not check in until evening. He'd text mom when he decided where he was going to land to sleep & mom would text him at random during day asking him if he was having fun.

That doesn't sound to me like a child who let people know what he was doing, left notes, called ahead, or asked parental permission prior to heading somewhere.

Mark said when he got home he wasn't alarmed, and pretty much figured Dylan had gone off with or to a friend.

Parents seem to me to agree this was Dylan's norm. Elaine wasn't upset or concerned about not hearing from Dylan, and neither was Mark. Mark got concerned later in the afternoon, which is towards the time Dylan normally sent a text that he had 'landed'.

This is how I'm perceiving it in looking at what the parents say about what's normal for Dylan.

Also note that Dylan didn't text mom when he got in town from the plane. Mom had to text him to find out if he'd landed and Mark had picked him up. This was more than an hour after he'd landed.

I'm not making any judgments on the parents. I just took what they said and how they behaved Sunday and Monday to see what was normal for them as parents, and for Dylan, and that's what I've thought.

Exactly! Sounds like even at home, he was used to roaming from one place to another without having to give updates about where he was or who he was with until late in the evening.
IMO, that's a whole lot of freedom for a 13 yr. old. Been awhile since mine were that age and no cell phones back then, but mine had to call me (or their grandmother if I was working) to ask permission before they "landed" at a friend's house to spend the night. They did not just decide on their own, they asked permission!
I'm not judging them, either, and I know things are different now. Just saying that IF he was accustomed to going where he wanted, when he wanted, who is to say that he definitely would have left a note? What kid that age leaves notes? Especially to a father he rarely sees, and presumably didn't want to be with in the first place.
As for the phone, I don't know why it's so hard to accept that it could have been dead. Cell phones die every day somewhere.

 

[TxLady2]

It's CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!

Have a happy and safe holiday, Everyone!

 

[mmmagique]

Prayers for the missing, and those who love them. May they find their way home, and may the ones who love them find peace.

 

[MrsPC]

I still believe whatever happened to Dylan - happened on the drive home.

I've posted the mileage before, but looking at the times is interesting

• Dylan's plane landed late = 5:47pm
• They went to Walmart - approx 20 min drive from the airport = 6:07pm
• Shopping for the week's groceries at Walmart per MR - guessing approx 20-30 min = 6:32pm
• Driving to McDonalds - guessing approx 4-6 min = 6:37pm
• Eating at McDonalds - guessing approx 15 min = 6:52pm
• It's approx a 1hr 14min drive from there to MR's home = 8:06pm
• Dylan's phone was turned off (or battery removed) prior to that time at 8:01pm

edited to add:
we also don't know anything else about that time frame really....did MR stop for gasoline or stop at a convenience store?

some have posited that MR told Dylan he'd take him to see his friends at 6:30am the following morning...but I have a different opinion on that. I think when Dylan started texting that's when whatever happened occurred....I don't think MR wanted Dylan to be texting his friends about the following morning. IMO, this was planned, and MR had no intentions of getting Dylan to his friends. I think Dylan probably took it upon himself to give his friend the 6:30am timeframe.

 

[Seajay]

Merry Christmas Dylan. Thinking about you this morning.

I saw that picture on CR's. FB page and have to wonder why a 13 yo would be on the floorboard of a moving vehicle with what looks like a wig on an empty seat.

 

[Eileen730]

Exactly! Sounds like even at home, he was used to roaming from one place to another without having to give updates about where he was or who he was with until late in the evening.
IMO, that's a whole lot of freedom for a 13 yr. old. Been awhile since mine were that age and no cell phones back then, but mine had to call me (or their grandmother if I was working) to ask permission before they "landed" at a friend's house to spend the night. They did not just decide on their own, they asked permission!
I'm not judging them, either, and I know things are different now. Just saying that IF he was accustomed to going where he wanted, when he wanted, who is to say that he definitely would have left a note? What kid that age leaves notes? Especially to a father he rarely sees, and presumably didn't want to be with in the first place.
As for the phone, I don't know why it's so hard to accept that it could have been dead. Cell phones die every day somewhere.

I dont think they roamed freely as you seem to think! Not like they could drive!
He couldnt go where he wanted someone had to drive him!
Sure they could go from one friends houst to another I seen nothing wrong with that guess im a bad parent cause my boys did the same thing. I used to drive them to the skate park and another parent would pick them up.
If they went to the mall a parent picked up and another dropped off.
Whats so wrong with that?
JMO

 

[Eileen730]

I still believe whatever happened to Dylan - happened on the drive home.

I've posted the mileage before, but looking at the times is interesting

• Dylan's plane landed late = 5:47pm
• They went to Walmart - approx 20 min drive from the airport = 6:07pm
• Shopping for the week's groceries at Walmart per MR - guessing approx 20-30 min = 6:32pm
• Driving to McDonalds - guessing approx 4-6 min = 6:37pm
• Eating at McDonalds - guessing approx 15 min = 6:52pm
• It's approx a 1hr 14min drive from there to MR's home = 8:06pm
• Dylan's phone was turned off (or battery removed) prior to that time at 8:01pm

edited to add:
we also don't know anything else about that time frame really....did MR stop for gasoline or stop at a convenience store?

some have posited that MR told Dylan he'd take him to see his friends at 6:30am the following morning...but I have a different opinion on that. I think when Dylan started texting that's when whatever happened occurred....I don't think MR wanted Dylan to be texting his friends about the following morning. IMO, this was planned, and MR had no intentions of getting Dylan to his friends. I think Dylan probably took it upon himself to give his friend the 6:30am timeframe.

The phone was DEAD at 8 pm sunday! If it was on that morning LE would know.
There was NO activitity on that phone at all.

I think dad took the phone sunday night and all hell broke loose.

All JMO

 

[mmmagique]

Merry Christmas Dylan. Thinking about you this morning.

I saw that picture on CR's. FB page and have to wonder why a 13 yo would be on the floorboard of a moving vehicle with what looks like a wig on an empty seat.

It looked to me like it was a road trip. You know how kids get everywhere when traveling? But that's just an assumption on my part.

 

[Tennlyn]

Merry Christmas Dylan. Thinking about you this morning.

I saw that picture on CR's. FB page and have to wonder why a 13 yo would be on the floorboard of a moving vehicle with what looks like a wig on an empty seat.

I thought that was a dog, not a wig.

 

[Seajay]

I dont think they roamed freely as you seem to think! Not like they could drive!
He couldnt go where he wanted someone had to drive him!
Sure they could go from one friends houst to another I seen nothing wrong with that guess im a bad parent cause my boys did the same thing. I used to drive them to the skate park and another parent would pick them up.
If they went to the mall a parent picked up and another dropped off.
Whats so wrong with that?
JMO

I don't think anyone said anything was wrong with that. What I read that to mean was how come the boys were reduced to hitching a ride because a snowstorm was coming, and that NO parent picked them up or knew how they were getting home.

I use to make the same kind of arrangements with my kids friends parents, so I knew who was picking them up. What she was saying was how come no parent knew who was picking them up that they hitched.

 

[Seajay]

I thought that was a dog, not a wig.

Ok, let's go with that.....why does the dog have the seat in the vehicle and the kid have the floor instead of the other way around? But it looked like a wig to me. Still doesn't answer for why the kid was on the floorboards when there was a seat in the vehicle.

 

[Eileen730]

Something happend to this child Sunday Evening!
What?

 

[Eileen730]

I don't think anyone said anything was wrong with that. What I read that to mean was how come the boys were reduced to hitching a ride because a snowstorm was coming, and that NO parent picked them up or knew how they were getting home.

I use to make the same kind of arrangements with my kids friends parents, so I knew who was picking them up. What she was saying was how come no parent knew who was picking them up that they hitched.

I dont think these kids were habitual hitchers!
Did they do it once? Or did they try try to do it once?
I can see Dylan being so mad at his father to walk out but as i see it he went missing sunday night and he wasnt hitching a ride anywhere. JMO

Sorry I must have missed the part of them hitching in a snow storm!

 

[The Cheese]

Dylan sent 4 texts after 8:01pm. His friend sent 5 texts after 8:01pm that Dylan responded to. In the earlier texts between them, there's time in between them, they're not sent quickly.

There's no way Dylan and his friend sent a total of 10 texts back and forth all within 1 minute at 8:01pm.

There's also no way, first of all, that a man in a drunken murderous rage in the process of murdering a child sent all those texts while beating or strangling a child and disposing of his body. I mean, come on. That story line just doesn't work.

Besides, Dylan was, as numerous people posted here when these texts came out, happy and excited. He's even joking with his friend. He did not have a raging adult man bearing down on him murdering him, or raging and about to murder him. No child is that good an actor to calmly make plans and joke with his friend while somebody is beside him in a rage trying to murder him.

I'm not ruling out the scenario that Mark might have killed Dylan. I just need a theory that works with that based on what's known. The texts ruled out an argument and murder on the way home for me, and the times put Dylan arriving at Mark's home for me.

Could Mark have gotten angry after they got home and murdered Dylan? Sure. I just need something to show Mark had something to be really, really angry about, and I haven't found anything.

At 5:40 p.m., Dylan tells his friend that his plane has landed, and RN asks him how the flight went.

“Weired my head went numb from all the vibrations,” Dylan replies.

Soon after, they begin making arrangements to see each other. The texts, provided by RN, are unedited.

RN: (time 6:43 p.m. Nov. 18) Im in pagosa coming
Dylan Redwine: Cant come srry ill hang tommarow
RN: Ok
RN: (time 7:09 p.m. Nov. 18) Why
Dylan: idk
RN: (time 7:45 p.m. Nov. 18) Did your dad say no
Dylan: (time 8:01 p.m. Nov. 18) yea
RN: Oh ok
Dylan: can I come over early lkke 6 30 early tomarrow
RN: Yeah
Dylan: you better let me in
RN: I will
RN: im gonna be at my gmas
Dylan: i call (you) all day if you dont
RN: Ok
Dylan: will you gma care or be up
RN: Just come around to were the sliding door is were that room is and knock on it and i will wake up
RN: (Time 9:27 p.m. Nov. 18) Call me when you get here too


http://durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/0/SEARCH/A-boy%E2%80%99s-life

 

[Eileen730]

Ok, let's go with that.....why does the dog have the seat in the vehicle and the kid have the floor instead of the other way around? But it looked like a wig to me. Still doesn't answer for why the kid was on the floorboards when there was a seat in the vehicle.

Cause hes a kid!
Why does it matter really?
sun in his face?
didnt want someone to see him?
didnt want the dog sitting on him?