CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #19

[The Cheese]

Elaine posted a picture I hadn't seen before with Dylan in it a few days ago - http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...8508063.-2207520000.1356454121&type=3&theater

 

[Seajay]

Cause hes a kid!
Why does it matter really?
sun in his face?
didnt want someone to see him?
didnt want the dog sitting on him?

That's right, he's a kid. A kid that doesn't follow through with plans sometimes, that blows of texts messages sometimes, that hitched rides sometimes, that didn't always call or leave notes. A kid. A kid that could have slept in, a kid who could have not woke up enough to text his friends, a kid who had to be talked to about hitchhiking because HE HAD DONE SO BEFORE.

The dog could have sat on the floorboards where the kid was. He actually looked to be hiding to me. His hair is the same lenght it was in the airport pic. He's in a moving vehicle without a seatbelt. In most states, that's against the law.

 

[MrsPC]

Dylan sent 4 texts after 8:01pm. His friend sent 5 texts after 8:01pm that Dylan responded to. In the earlier texts between them, there's time in between them, they're not sent quickly.

There's no way Dylan and his friend sent a total of 10 texts back and forth all within 1 minute at 8:01pm.

There's also no way, first of all, that a man in a drunken murderous rage in the process of murdering a child sent all those texts while beating or strangling a child and disposing of his body. I mean, come on. That story line just doesn't work.

Besides, Dylan was, as numerous people posted here when these texts came out, happy and excited. He's even joking with his friend. He did not have a raging adult man bearing down on him murdering him, or raging and about to murder him. No child is that good an actor to calmly make plans and joke with his friend while somebody is beside him in a rage trying to murder him.

I'm not ruling out the scenario that Mark might have killed Dylan. I just need a theory that works with that based on what's known. The texts ruled out an argument and murder on the way home for me, and the times put Dylan arriving at Mark's home for me.

Could Mark have gotten angry after they got home and murdered Dylan? Sure. I just need something to show Mark had something to be really, really angry about, and I haven't found anything.

At 5:40 p.m., Dylan tells his friend that his plane has landed, and RN asks him how the flight went.

“Weired my head went numb from all the vibrations,” Dylan replies.

Soon after, they begin making arrangements to see each other. The texts, provided by RN, are unedited.

RN: (time 6:43 p.m. Nov. 18) Im in pagosa coming
Dylan Redwine: Cant come srry ill hang tommarow
RN: Ok
RN: (time 7:09 p.m. Nov. 18) Why
Dylan: idk
RN: (time 7:45 p.m. Nov. 18) Did your dad say no
Dylan: (time 8:01 p.m. Nov. 18) yea
RN: Oh ok
Dylan: can I come over early lkke 6 30 early tomarrow
RN: Yeah
Dylan: you better let me in
RN: I will
RN: im gonna be at my gmas
Dylan: i call (you) all day if you dont
RN: Ok
Dylan: will you gma care or be up
RN: Just come around to were the sliding door is were that room is and knock on it and i will wake up
RN: (Time 9:27 p.m. Nov. 18) Call me when you get here too


http://durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/0/SEARCH/A-boy%E2%80%99s-life

10 texts -- 5 by Dylan

Dylan: (time 8:01 p.m. Nov. 18) yea

RN: Oh ok

Dylan: can I come over early lkke 6 30 early tomarrow

RN: Yeah

Dylan: you better let me in

RN: I will

RN: im gonna be at my gmas

Dylan: i call (you) all day if you dont

RN: Ok

Dylan: will you gma care or be up

And that was Dylan's final.

It's reported that Dylan always texted like crazy. My adult daughter texts an average of 30 texts per day. My 14 yr old granddaughter texts more than 100 per day.

 

[fred&edna]

Merry Christmas Dylan. Thinking about you this morning.

I saw that picture on CR's. FB page and have to wonder why a 13 yo would be on the floorboard of a moving vehicle with what looks like a wig on an empty seat.

Just wondering if you or someone could pm a link/tell me where I can see this picture? TIA!

 

[cluciano63]

Yes, phones go dead unexpectedly. But Dylan would have told his father, unless they were not speaking. If his phone went dead at 8pm on Sunday, even more reason to get up on time, IMO.

Kids are kids, etc. but I feel that Dylan's desire to see his friend was stronger than any bit of extra sleep. It may have been his consolation for having to visit his father at all. That is jmo, of course.

It was only 8pm.i do not believe that Dylan was in any way done texting for the night. So either his phone died and he kept it secret from his dad (very unlikely IMO) or he was unable to text after that last question to his friend.

 

[vasportsmom]

10 texts --

Dylan: (time 8:01 p.m. Nov. 18) yea

RN: Oh ok

Dylan: can I come over early lkke 6 30 early tomarrow

RN: Yeah

Dylan: you better let me in

RN: I will

RN: im gonna be at my gmas

Dylan: i call (you) all day if you dont

RN: Ok

Dylan: will you gma care or be up

And that was Dylan's final.

It's reported that Dylan always texted like crazy. My adult daughter texts an average of 30 texts per day. My 14 yr old granddaughter texts more than 100 per day.

My teen uses over 30,000 texts a month. Ten texts in a minute would be nothing.

 

[MrsPC]

this is from 2010
http://mashable.com/2010/10/14/nielsen-texting-stats/

from 2012
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/19/texting-and-teens_n_1365650.html

 

[MrsPC]

My teen uses over 30,000 texts a month. Ten texts in a minute would be nothing.

right, and Dylan only made 5

 

[fred&edna]

Before seeing the picture and reading about the sun on his face, I was thinking that maybe he was avoiding sun glare on his cell phone. I've had to move to a shady area to read and reply to text messages. Now, I've seen the photo (thanks Seajay)... this may or may not have been the case... dunno?

 

[The Cheese]

10 texts --

Dylan: (time 8:01 p.m. Nov. 18) yea

RN: Oh ok

Dylan: can I come over early lkke 6 30 early tomarrow

RN: Yeah

Dylan: you better let me in

RN: I will

RN: im gonna be at my gmas

Dylan: i call (you) all day if you dont

RN: Ok

Dylan: will you gma care or be up

And that was Dylan's final.

It's reported that Dylan always texted like crazy. My adult daughter texts an average of 30 texts per day. My 14 yr old granddaughter texts more than 100 per day.

Yes, those are the 10 texts, and yes I agree, and police confirmed Dylan is an avid texter.

I figure Dylan saw his friend's response that wrapped things up for his arrival in the morning, he and Mark arrived home, put groceries away, played some Nerf football (not necessarily in that order), Dylan popped in the earphones for his iPod or flipped on the TV, laid down on the couch, and fell asleep as he'd been up until 4am that morning and then traveled that day.

I'm not seeing signs of anyone in a rage, anything to be furious about, signs that a murder-by-Mark took place.

According to that news article, investigators said abduction is exactly what they think happened. It wasn't a quote, but it's all I've got right now for the last scenario police said they were looking at. I tend to stick with the direction I see the police going. It looks like abduction is what they're looking at. I'm sure they're doing parallel investigations on other scenarios as well.

 

[The Cheese]

My teen uses over 30,000 texts a month. Ten texts in a minute would be nothing.

Agreed, but Dylan and his friend were texting much more slowly. I can see that on the times on the other texts.

 

[Tennlyn]

That's right, he's a kid. A kid that doesn't follow through with plans sometimes, that blows of texts messages sometimes, that hitched rides sometimes, that didn't always call or leave notes. A kid. A kid that could have slept in, a kid who could have not woke up enough to text his friends, a kid who had to be talked to about hitchhiking because HE HAD DONE SO BEFORE.

The dog could have sat on the floorboards where the kid was. He actually looked to be hiding to me. His hair is the same lenght it was in the airport pic. He's in a moving vehicle without a seatbelt. In most states, that's against the law.

It looks like Colorado only requires seatbelts to be used in the front.
http://www.ghsa.org/html/stateinfo/bystate/co.html

The rear seat where Dylan would be is in the sun. He's on the floorboard to get rid of the glare on his screen so he can text or play games, whatever. MOO

 

[Tennlyn]

Agreed, but Dylan and his friend were texting much more slowly. I can see that on the times on the other texts.

If he's like my son, he's also texting with 5 other friends at the same time.

 

[vasportsmom]

Yes, phones go dead unexpectedly. But Dylan would have told his father, unless they were not speaking. If his phone went dead at 8pm on Sunday, even more reason to get up on time, IMO.

Kids are kids, etc. but I feel that Dylan's desire to see his friend was stronger than any bit of extra sleep. It may have been his consolation for having to visit his father at all. That is jmo, of course.

It was only 8pm.i do not believe that Dylan was in any way done texting for the night. So either his phone died and he kept it secret from his dad (very unlikely IMO) or he was unable to text after that last question to his friend.

I think it is highly unlikely that Dylan willingly quit texting mid conversation at 8 that night. I find it even more unlikely that his phone unexpectedly died at that point and he didn't tell his dad. My oldest destroyed his phone a few nights ago. Everybody in the neighborhood likely knows about it. My phone quit charging the next day and while I wasn't as vocal as Jay, I was on the phone with Verizon immediately getting a replacement over nighted. People that are addicted to their phones generally aren't quiet when they lose that line of communication.

As for not getting up that morning, I really believe that spending time with his friends was the only positive Dylan saw in this forced visit. If he was physically able he would have gotten up. There is no doubt in my mind about that.

Something terrible happened to Dylan at 8pm Sunday night and only 1 person had access to him then. It is Christmas and that person needs to do the right thing today and tell Elaine where her baby is and why!

 

[missrugby]

So very sorry for your loss. It truly is the ultimate. That of a child/children :rose:

Thank you so much! I really appreciate it. The holidays and their birthdays are always the hardest.

 

[LotusPawprint]

The library hitching incident convinces me even more that Dylan was footloose and fancy free. Maybe his friends too. There were at least 3 boys including Dylan. How were they going to get home from the library anyway? What happened with 3 boys' moms, dads, older brothers, older sisters? Did they not know the kids were at the library? Surely they knew there was a snowstorm.

With 3 boys and their families, why weren't there phone calls going back and forth as to who was going to pick up the boys and telling the boys to stay put, warm and safe in the library, until somebody got there to pick them up?

I question whether any family members even knew they were at the library. Otherwise, with a snowstorm, why weren't moms, dads, older sibs texting to figure out how to get the boys home, and cautioning the boys to stay put and stay safe?

I have to believe that none of the boys called anyone, and even that it was typical for them, especially Dylan, to figure out their own way around, including, for Dylan, hitchhiking.

These behaviors, stories, parents' words have led me to think that most likely, Dylan left the house, and tried to hitch to the friends.

This post ^^^ is exactly why I asked the question in my original post -- about whether hitching a ride was something Dylan would do on his own or it was something Dylan was more likely to do only when in a group of friends. Only his friends would be able to address this.

I'll stand by the idea I posed.... there's a huge difference between a group of boys deciding to hitch a ride together and someone doing it alone. I would think the families of the four boys did in fact know there was a snowstorm and did in fact know the boys were going to be at the library. I'm guessing they all had cell phones too. In a group it seems much more likely and believable that boys would hitch a ride home for the h-ll of it for kicks and giggles, but not for lack of other options or out of desperation.

I can see this being the time when ER would've talked to Dylan about the dangers of hitchhiking, and perhaps to her it was a foreign idea that he would ever consider hitchhiking alone. And that makes perfect sense to me. Kids inhibitions' can evaporate completely when with their friends but even "footloose and fancy-free" 13-year old boys might not do the same thing on their own.

With the abrupt silence on the cell after 8pm on Sunday and all other communication ceasing then as well, I cannot ignore that as a minor or non-existant piece of the story. To think that Dylan packed up his stuff, up and left MR's house making no attempt whatsoever at getting a "real" ride, his sole intention to hitch a ride all by himself somewhere along that 20+ mile walk to his friend's in Bayfield, while wearing shorts in that cold weather, and for noone to have seen him ... is very, very hard for my reasonable mind to accept.

 

[vasportsmom]

Lotus, I agree completely. People keep talking about Dylan having a history of hitching but I think that is a stretch. Finding a ride home for a group of friends in a snowstorm ONCE does not equal a history of hitching. It is likely that the boys had been dropped off at the library with the plan of a parent picking them up at a set time (maybe after work) but the storm blew in causing the library to close early and instead of calling around to get a parent to come after them Dylan asked another patron to drop them off on their way home. Was it smart? Probably not but we are talking about a child that was no older than 13 and we have to remember that it took place in a small town where Dylan probably knew no "strangers". As adults we all recognize the risks & dangers involved in that scenario but we can't assume a group of young boys had the same knowledge or that their risk-benefit analysis would have lead them to the same conclusion it would any of us. We also have no idea how ER reacted to the situation. We know that Elaine talked to Dylan about hitching but we have no idea what the entails. It is quite possible that Dylan landed in enough trouble that he would not make the same mistake twice.

 

[azgrandma]

Lotus, I agree completely. People keep talking about Dylan having a history of hitching but I think that is a stretch. Finding a ride home for a group of friends in a snowstorm ONCE does not equal a history of hitching. It is likely that the boys had been dropped off at the library with the plan of a parent picking them up at a set time (maybe after work) but the storm blew in causing the library to close early and instead of calling around to get a parent to come after them Dylan asked another patron to drop them off on their way home. Was it smart? Probably not but we are talking about a child that was no older than 13 and we have to remember that it took place in a small town where Dylan probably knew no "strangers". As adults we all recognize the risks & dangers involved in that scenario but we can't assume a group of young boys had the same knowledge or that their risk-benefit analysis would have lead them to the same conclusion it would any of us. We also have no idea how ER reacted to the situation. We know that Elaine talked to Dylan about hitching but we have no idea what the entails. It is quite possible that Dylan landed in enough trouble that he would not make the same mistake twice.

I find it interesting that Dylan tried hitchhiking once and many now assume it was a pattern and regular habit. Then mr has an incident with alcohol and the same people take note to say that just because he was drunk once doesn't make him an alcoholic.
If people assume one incident makes a habit for one person then it's only fair to make one incident a habit for the other.

 

[LotusPawprint]

Lotus, I agree completely. People keep talking about Dylan having a history of hitching but I think that is a stretch. Finding a ride home for a group of friends in a snowstorm ONCE does not equal a history of hitching. It is likely that the boys had been dropped off at the library with the plan of a parent picking them up at a set time (maybe after work) but the storm blew in causing the library to close early and instead of calling around to get a parent to come after them Dylan asked another patron to drop them off on their way home. Was it smart? Probably not but we are talking about a child that was no older than 13 and we have to remember that it took place in a small town where Dylan probably knew no "strangers". As adults we all recognize the risks & dangers involved in that scenario but we can't assume a group of young boys had the same knowledge or that their risk-benefit analysis would have lead them to the same conclusion it would any of us. We also have no idea how ER reacted to the situation. We know that Elaine talked to Dylan about hitching but we have no idea what the entails. It is quite possible that Dylan landed in enough trouble that he would not make the same mistake twice.

Exactly. It also reminds me of ER's comment about Dylan not being 'outdoorsy' (vs. being tech saavy) which has been picked apart a bit here. She said, "“He wouldn’t have gone off to the mountains to pitch a tent or build a fire.” ER seems quite aware that Dylan loved to swim and play outside with his friends and on family vacations, but the 'outdoorsy' comment in that context meant he would NOT have run off on his own to hide away. Which is the exact conclusion LE came to eventually ... Dylan was not a runaway. And who knows if that cost precious time. Again, a huge difference... and ER seems to know her son quite well.



I'm wondering if MR has ever talked to Dylan about hitch hiking. If he was firm about its dangers and warned Dylan not to do it. Has he said anything about whether he thought Dylan might hitch? Or was he laid back on the topic and it wasn't much of an issue?


--> eta: if MR was a truck driver at some point and lived much of his life on the road, I can see hitch hiking being an issue he would bring up with Dylan .. as a responsible parent. Just thinking about "occupational hazards" that parents see first-hand and what they would pass onto their children. Only a possibility of course.

 

[Ransom]

It looks like Colorado only requires seatbelts to be used in the front.
http://www.ghsa.org/html/stateinfo/bystate/co.html

The rear seat where Dylan would be is in the sun. He's on the floorboard to get rid of the glare on his screen so he can text or play games, whatever. MOO

Read that again. DR was 13 ... required in any seat. Over 18 only required for front seat.

Secondary >18 (primary for <18) Front