CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #19

[Ransom]

Need to go back and EDIT comments mentioning R's name and last name. Not allowed to mention his name, other than R.

 

[vasportsmom]

Exactly. It also reminds me of ER's comment about Dylan not being 'outdoorsy' (vs. being tech saavy) which has been picked apart a bit here. She said, "“He wouldn’t have gone off to the mountains to pitch a tent or build a fire.” ER seems quite aware that Dylan loved to swim and play outside with his friends and on family vacations, but the 'outdoorsy' comment in that context meant he would NOT have run off on his own to hide away. Which is the exact conclusion LE came to eventually ... Dylan was not a runaway. And who knows if that cost precious time. Again, a huge difference... and ER seems to know her son quite well.



I'm wondering if MR has ever talked to Dylan about hitch hiking. If he was firm about its dangers and warned Dylan not to do it. Has he said anything about whether he thought Dylan might hitch? Or was he laid back on the topic and it wasn't much of an issue?


--> eta: if MR was a truck driver at some point and lived much of his life on the road, I can see hitch hiking being an issue he would bring up with Dylan .. as a responsible parent. Just thinking about "occupational hazards" that parents see first-hand and what they would pass onto their children. Only a possibility of course.

Exactly! I've said this before but I have a 12yo that will happily play outdoors all day long with other people but left to his own devices B will choose a book, video game or tv every single time. Elaine seems to have a very good grasp of exactly who her child is and she doesn't seem to be a lax parent so I put much more stock in what she says about Dylan than what a mostly absent father (with a great deal on the line) says.

Elaine may have suspected MR from the beginning but she had to know that if she was wrong there was a lot riding on what she said about Dylan and his habits. If we rule out any involvement on her part (and that seems to be obvious) we have to conclude that she had absolutely nothing to gain by lying or misrepresenting Dylan. I just can't reach the same conclusion in regards to MR. Everything he says is suspect to me because he had the greatest opportunity and access so he could have a lot to gain by steering the investigation in different directions.

 

[Meri]

That's right, he's a kid. A kid that doesn't follow through with plans sometimes, that blows of texts messages sometimes, that hitched rides sometimes, that didn't always call or leave notes. A kid. A kid that could have slept in, a kid who could have not woke up enough to text his friends, a kid who had to be talked to about hitchhiking because HE HAD DONE SO BEFORE.

The dog could have sat on the floorboards where the kid was. He actually looked to be hiding to me. His hair is the same lenght it was in the airport pic. He's in a moving vehicle without a seatbelt. In most states, that's against the law.

I haven't seen the photo in a while, but how do we know the car is actually moving? Could they not have been parked somewhere?

 

[Wild@Heart]

Children between the ages of 8 and 16
Colorado Law: Children between the ages of 8 and 16 must use a seatbelt or child restraint.
http://www.childrenscolorado.org/wellness/safety/carseatsafety/cps.aspx

 

[vasportsmom]

I haven't seen the photo in a while, but how do we know the car is actually moving? Could they not have been parked somewhere?

I'm wondering that too. Without any context we really can't infer much from that photo. Even if the vehicle was moving we can't be sure who all was in the vehicle to object to Dylan sitting in the floor unsecured. An older brother, especially one without children would be much less likely to yell at Dylan over it than say a parent.

 

[mmmagique]

Children between the ages of 8 and 16
Colorado Law: Children between the ages of 8 and 16 must use a seatbelt or child restraint.
http://www.childrenscolorado.org/wellness/safety/carseatsafety/cps.aspx

Do we know what state they were in, or if the car was actually in motion?

 

[vasportsmom]

Do we know what state they were in, or if the car was actually in motion?

No, we don't to both. I am hoping Seejay will explain what she considers the importance of that particular photo because I can't figure it out.

 

[Ronald99]

From the very start, I've always believed whatever occurred happened around that 8 PM timeframe. Dylan's texting his friend and his friend sensed something wasn't right, and Dylan agrees, And Dylan makes plans for the 6:30 am next day with his friend, from the Texting it appeared Dylan wanted to get away from there as early as Possibile, and texted he wanted to be there at 6:30, which meant the Dad would have had to wake up around 5:30 to get ready and drive Dylan, the dad is not like a 13 y/o just jumping out of bed and driving Dylan.

I believe Dylan wanted to get away quickly, and they were arguing while Dylan was texting, and after Dylan told the dad he made plans for arriving at 6:30 am at his friends, the dad was very upset, maybe because Dylan wanted to leave very early instead of spending time with the father, and this caused the dad to destroy Dylan's cell phone, that would explain the loss of communications with the cell and Tower, and also Dylan's texting did not seem to end correctly with his friend, seems like Dylan would have texted more concerning the arrival the next morning, and also he never said goodnight or any follow up text.

I believe the father destroyed the cell in a fit of Rage, and Dyan was striking back, and the father caused the Dissapeareance of Dylan, There's a large time frame from that Evening until the time Law Enforcement was notified, and the father had plenty of time to dispose of evidence before notifying them.
Dylan just arriving hours earlier and telling his dad he made plans to be at his friends house the following morning at 6:30 makes me think he wanted to get away from there as quickly as Possibile. I believe Dylan was not at the house the morning the father claims he awoke to run those four hour errands, and Dylan did not want to awake, like I stated they would have needed to awaken around 5:30am to arrive at his friends at 6:30 am, and I believe the father sticking with the 6:30 am time should have alerted law enforcement suspicions also. Law Enforcement knows whatever happend, was around the 8 PM time frame, and the cell phone losing communications with the tower, helps to show the father is lying. He has the answers to solving this Disappearance, and bringing closure.

 

[DylansMom34]

Hmmmm that picture while on CR Facebook could be anywhere. Didn't Dylan recently go on a road trip with his Dad? Point is we don't know anything about the background of it. When was it taken? Was the car even moving? Who was sitting next to Dylan to take the picture? If the car was moving who was driving?I guess I am not understanding..

 

[vasportsmom]

Hmmmm that picture while on CR Facebook could be anywhere. Didn't Dylan recently go on a road trip with his Dad? Point is we don't know anything about the background of it. When was it taken? Was the car even moving? Who was sitting next to Dylan to take the picture? If the car was moving who was driving?I guess I am not understanding..

For all we know Dylan took that pic himself while on the trip with MR and texted it to CR. Maybe Dylan was playing hide & seek when that picture was snapped and the car was a junker that hadn't been operable in years. We just don't have the necessary info to put the picture in context and glean any relevant info from it. Until that changes I don't see the importance of it.

 

[rebeccaeee]

From the very start, I've always believed whatever occurred happened around that 8 PM timeframe. Dylan's texting his friend and his friend sensed something wasn't right, and Dylan agrees, And Dylan makes plans for the 6:30 am next day with his friend, from the Texting it appeared Dylan wanted to get away from there as early as Possibile, and texted he wanted to be there at 6:30, which meant the Dad would have had to wake up around 5:30 to get ready and drive Dylan, the dad is not like a 13 y/o just jumping out of bed and driving Dylan.

I believe Dylan wanted to get away quickly, and they were arguing while Dylan was texting, and after Dylan told the dad he made plans for arriving at 6:30 am at his friends, the dad was very upset, maybe because Dylan wanted to leave very early instead of spending time with the father, and this caused the dad to destroy Dylan's cell phone, that would explain the loss of communications with the cell and Tower, and also Dylan's texting did not seem to end correctly with his friend, seems like Dylan would have texted more concerning the arrival the next morning, and also he never said goodnight or any follow up text.

I believe the father destroyed the cell in a fit of Rage, and Dyan was striking back, and the father caused the Dissapeareance of Dylan, There's a large time frame from that Evening until the time Law Enforcement was notified, and the father had plenty of time to dispose of evidence before notifying them.
Dylan just arriving hours earlier and telling his dad he made plans to be at his friends house the following morning at 6:30 makes me think he wanted to get away from there as quickly as Possibile. I believe Dylan was not at the house the morning the father claims he awoke to run those four hour errands, and Dylan did not want to awake, like I stated they would have needed to awaken around 5:30am to arrive at his friends at 6:30 am, and I believe the father sticking with the 6:30 am time should have alerted law enforcement suspicions also. Law Enforcement knows whatever happend, was around the 8 PM time frame, and the cell phone losing communications with the tower, helps to show the father is lying. He has the answers to solving this Disappearance, and bringing closure.

Well that's one heckuva first post but I cannot disagree with the scenario.

 

[princessk]

From the very start, I've always believed whatever occurred happened around that 8 PM timeframe. Dylan's texting his friend and his friend sensed something wasn't right, and Dylan agrees, And Dylan makes plans for the 6:30 am next day with his friend, from the Texting it appeared Dylan wanted to get away from there as early as Possibile, and texted he wanted to be there at 6:30, which meant the Dad would have had to wake up around 5:30 to get ready and drive Dylan, the dad is not like a 13 y/o just jumping out of bed and driving Dylan.

I believe Dylan wanted to get away quickly, and they were arguing while Dylan was texting, and after Dylan told the dad he made plans for arriving at 6:30 am at his friends, the dad was very upset, maybe because Dylan wanted to leave very early instead of spending time with the father, and this caused the dad to destroy Dylan's cell phone, that would explain the loss of communications with the cell and Tower, and also Dylan's texting did not seem to end correctly with his friend, seems like Dylan would have texted more concerning the arrival the next morning, and also he never said goodnight or any follow up text.

I believe the father destroyed the cell in a fit of Rage, and Dyan was striking back, and the father caused the Dissapeareance of Dylan, There's a large time frame from that Evening until the time Law Enforcement was notified, and the father had plenty of time to dispose of evidence before notifying them.
Dylan just arriving hours earlier and telling his dad he made plans to be at his friends house the following morning at 6:30 makes me think he wanted to get away from there as quickly as Possibile. I believe Dylan was not at the house the morning the father claims he awoke to run those four hour errands, and Dylan did not want to awake, like I stated they would have needed to awaken around 5:30am to arrive at his friends at 6:30 am, and I believe the father sticking with the 6:30 am time should have alerted law enforcement suspicions also. Law Enforcement knows whatever happend, was around the 8 PM time frame, and the cell phone losing communications with the tower, helps to show the father is lying. He has the answers to solving this Disappearance, and bringing closure.

Absolutely great scenario. Don't see how anyone could disagree!

 

[shefner]

From the very start, I've always believed whatever occurred happened around that 8 PM timeframe. Dylan's texting his friend and his friend sensed something wasn't right, and Dylan agrees, And Dylan makes plans for the 6:30 am next day with his friend, from the Texting it appeared Dylan wanted to get away from there as early as Possibile, and texted he wanted to be there at 6:30, which meant the Dad would have had to wake up around 5:30 to get ready and drive Dylan, the dad is not like a 13 y/o just jumping out of bed and driving Dylan.

I believe Dylan wanted to get away quickly, and they were arguing while Dylan was texting, and after Dylan told the dad he made plans for arriving at 6:30 am at his friends, the dad was very upset, maybe because Dylan wanted to leave very early instead of spending time with the father, and this caused the dad to destroy Dylan's cell phone, that would explain the loss of communications with the cell and Tower, and also Dylan's texting did not seem to end correctly with his friend, seems like Dylan would have texted more concerning the arrival the next morning, and also he never said goodnight or any follow up text.

I believe the father destroyed the cell in a fit of Rage, and Dyan was striking back, and the father caused the Dissapeareance of Dylan, There's a large time frame from that Evening until the time Law Enforcement was notified, and the father had plenty of time to dispose of evidence before notifying them.
Dylan just arriving hours earlier and telling his dad he made plans to be at his friends house the following morning at 6:30 makes me think he wanted to get away from there as quickly as Possibile. I believe Dylan was not at the house the morning the father claims he awoke to run those four hour errands, and Dylan did not want to awake, like I stated they would have needed to awaken around 5:30am to arrive at his friends at 6:30 am, and I believe the father sticking with the 6:30 am time should have alerted law enforcement suspicions also. Law Enforcement knows whatever happend, was around the 8 PM time frame, and the cell phone losing communications with the tower, helps to show the father is lying. He has the answers to solving this Disappearance, and bringing closure.

Welcome Ronald...thank you for your post! I agree with you...MR did something. Now if we could only find some evidence that would help us find Dylan and seal the case.

Stick around....I hope to hear more from you!

 

[shefner]

:santa:Merry Christmas Dylan! I have been thinking of you all day. How I wish you were back with your mom and getting your new iPhone. How I wish you could eat ham and turkey...and chocolate pie. How I wish you could text until your fingers are tired...and get lots of hugs from all those who love you best.

Merry Christmas Dylan...wherever you are....may you be at peace.

 

[shefner]

Also want to OT just a moment to wish a Merry Christmas to some of the best sleuthing friends around:
Scorekeeper, Vasportsmom, Dylansmom, Bravo, Aust, clu, and all the other great posters on this thread!
Also, sending out warm wishes to our wonderful and tireless moderators....nurse, imamaze and all the others I might forget today! We appreciate all you do!

 

[DylansMom34]

Also want to OT just a moment to wish a Merry Christmas to some of the best sleuthing friends around:
Scorekeeper, Vasportsmom, Dylansmom, Bravo, Aust, clu, and all the other great posters on this thread!
Also, sending out warm wishes to our wonderful and tireless moderators....nurse, imamaze and all the others I might forget today! We appreciate all you do!

Happy Holidays Shefner!! Thanks for the nice words. Hopefully Dylan will be found very soon!

 

[vasportsmom]

:santa:Merry Christmas Dylan! I have been thinking of you all day. How I wish you were back with your mom and getting your new iPhone. How I wish you could eat ham and turkey...and chocolate pie. How I wish you could text until your fingers are tired...and get lots of hugs from all those who love you best.

Merry Christmas Dylan...wherever you are....may you be at peace.

Beautiful as always. If the love of complete strangers alone could bring Dylan home Elaine would have her baby in her arms right now. It is reprehensible that someone choose to take that child away from his loving mother, brothers, family & friends. It took unimaginable cruelty to rip Dylan away from all that love him and then deny those same people the opportunity to properly mourn him. What has to break in a person before they can put less value on the life of a child than they do furthering their own agenda? There is no fixing a person that could rationalize that act. There is no redemption or rehabilitation for the person that took Dylan. The only value that person has at this point is his ability to provide the answers necessary to end this search. If there is any good in him at all he will offer those answers to LE and allow Dylan's family to have that small bit of peace.

 

[vasportsmom]

Also want to OT just a moment to wish a Merry Christmas to some of the best sleuthing friends around:
Scorekeeper, Vasportsmom, Dylansmom, Bravo, Aust, clu, and all the other great posters on this thread!
Also, sending out warm wishes to our wonderful and tireless moderators....nurse, imamaze and all the others I might forget today! We appreciate all you do!

Merry Christmas Shef! May your tireless devotion and prayers for Dylan be answered today.

Btw, how was the wedding? Are you adjusting to life without children under foot?

 

[scorekeeper]

Also want to OT just a moment to wish a Merry Christmas to some of the best sleuthing friends around:
Scorekeeper, Vasportsmom, Dylansmom, Bravo, Aust, clu, and all the other great posters on this thread!
Also, sending out warm wishes to our wonderful and tireless moderators....nurse, imamaze and all the others I might forget today! We appreciate all you do!

O/T - Merry Christmas to you too, Shef and all my great friends here at WS. You guys are my family now that the kids are grown up....how's that "empty nest" thing working, Shef, LOL?

My thoughts wandered to Dylan today as we opened our presents and ate our Christmas dinner. And watched A Christmas Story 4 times! My son got a new phone (and I thought of Dylan), I got an Ipod (and I thought of Dylan) and my daughter got a plane ticket to see her friend (and I thought of Dylan).

Somebody knows where Dylan is and I hope they are having the worst Christmas ever, all alone, no presents and eating a TV dinner.

 

[vasportsmom]

O/T - Merry Christmas to you too, Shef and all my great friends here at WS. You guys are my family now that the kids are grown up....how's that "empty nest" thing working, Shef, LOL?

My thoughts wandered to Dylan today as we opened our presents and ate our Christmas dinner. And watched A Christmas Story 4 times! My son got a new phone (and I thought of Dylan), I got an Ipod (and I thought of Dylan) and my daughter got a plane ticket to see her friend (and I thought of Dylan).

Somebody knows where Dylan is and I hope they are having the worst Christmas ever, all alone, no presents and eating a TV dinner.

I'm not a violent or vengeful person but I hope that the person that took Dylan is so haunted by their actions that they are unable to eat, drink or function at all. May their guilt weigh on them so heavily that they realize the only escape is in answering for their crimes and allowing Dylan to be properly laid to rest.

Sadly, I think the responsible party is feeding off of Elaine's pain and lacks the ability to feel guilt or regret.