CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #21

[Eileen730]

I'm not sure. I don't know if what they bring is resources for a broader search, in order to cover more ground or more focused resources, if there's a specific area that needs to be searched.

It could be that LE has no idea where to even start searching and they don't want to bring TES in to 'waste' their time, but TES works with LE so they would consult and make sure everyone was on board.


From TES' webpage:

--Talks about being involved in over 1300 searches in 42 states and Mexico, Sri Lanka, Nicaragua, Domincan Republic, and more.

--300 people brought home safe to their families

--recovered remains of 155 (many of these resulted in criminal cases and convictions)

Our resources range from horse and rider teams to foot searchers and ATVs. We conduct water searches using boats, divers and sonar equipment. Additionally, we perform air searches using planes, helicopters and small drone airplanes with highly sophisticated cameras. We have also utilized infrared and night vision cameras, along with ground penetration units in some of our searches. Texas EquuSearch has more resources than most law enforcement agencies, which allows law enforcement to conduct their investigation, while Texas EquuSearch conducts organized searches. This has worked out to be a great working relationship between law enforcement and Texas EquuSearch. [snipped]

http://texasequusearch.org/about/

I don't see the harm in LE contacting them (or talking with TES if the family initiates contact). Why wait? Why let the cold winter come and let these next several months be wasted? :waitasec:

I have a feeling LE does not believe this young man alive! And this is my thinking for them to not request TES I do think if they thought Dylan was out there alive they would ask for their help But why have these ppl out there in the cold searching for a child when someone knows exactly where they left him!
All JMO.

I do believe LE knows way more than we think they do.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

The only reason I could think of is that LE has a very good idea where they think Dylan is and are just waiting to locate him

You know that's what I think. I do think LE believes Dylan is in that lake but unfortunately they have to wait for a weather change (spring maybe?) or are waiting for a body to surface. It's so hard to type those words but that's what I feel.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

But TES could still help with locating a body couldn't they? Or do they only do search and rescue if they believe someone might still be alive?

 

[SCHMAE]

Why would they do that?

I don't know for sure. I'm thinking of the casey anthony BILL she got from TES after they spent hours searching for her baby all the while mom knowing where she was . So if LE believes that is the case here then Dylan is not really ' missing' in a true sense. Someone knows where he is and why waste the time and resource of TES if they have someone in their sights who knows where he is ? I'm just speculating, certainly not presenting it is fact. But I think if LE and all the family believed Dylan was missing in the classical sense of vanished without a trace, they would be asking for TES' help .

 

[asyousay]

You know that's what I think. I do think LE believes Dylan is in that lake but unfortunately they have to wait for a weather change (spring maybe?) or are waiting for a body to surface. It's so hard to type those words but that's what I feel.

If that is true then should they not of brought in outside help to search the lake before Snow fell?????


I would hate to think they would make the parents suffer for a extra 3/5 months just because LE want to recover the body themselves if they thought he was there.

 

[StJohn]

Can anyone think of a reason LE would not want an outside search organization's help like TES? I would think the more resources the better. Unless LE knows something? They obviously have not been able to find him on their own. I know LE is not always eager to bring these resources in but at this point why not? What could be the harm in doing so?

BBM: I have been thinking along those lines as well. Given LE's initial strong focus on the reservoir, I wonder if they still believe Dylan was placed there. I've wondered if, during MR's polygraph, LE might have ask questions about where could Dylan be, & got a "hit" when asking him about the reservoir. JMO

 

[DylansMom34]

You know that's what I think. I do think LE believes Dylan is in that lake but unfortunately they have to wait for a weather change (spring maybe?) or are waiting for a body to surface. It's so hard to type those words but that's what I feel.

Just jumping off your post a bit...

I don't know much about TES. So, if LE is of the belief Dylan is in the lake, would LE maybe consent to TES joining in a search of the lake when the weather improves?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

If that is true then should they not of brought in outside help to search the lake before Snow fell?????


I would hate to think they would make the parents suffer for a extra 3/5 months just because LE want to recover the body themselves if they thought he was there.

Early on when the divers searched the lake I remember reading that there was something with that lake that made it hard to search. Some type of sediment on the bottom or something? I know what ever it was I didn't really understand. Does anyone know what that was?

 

[all9ofus]

You know that's what I think. I do think LE believes Dylan is in that lake but unfortunately they have to wait for a weather change (spring maybe?) or are waiting for a body to surface. It's so hard to type those words but that's what I feel.

I also believe that he is in the lake. I have felt that since the beginning. The area they searched was very near the dam. There is water constantly flowing through the dam into the river below the lake. I believe that the force of the water flowing would pull any object and/or body up against the grates in the dam, this would include any divers searching I believe. I have been told that there could be potential serious legal ramifications if they shut off the water flow for a search. Is it possible that LE is trying to get all their ducks in a row to shut off the water?

 

[Dee10]

Early on when the divers searched the lake I remember reading that there was something with that lake that made it hard to search. Some type of sediment on the bottom or something? I know what ever it was I didn't really understand. Does anyone know what that was?

The only thing I recall & it was when they went back in at another time was due to the water temp. the divers were only allow in a set # of minutes then they had to be out for 24 hours before going in again.

 

[DylansMom34]

I also believe that he is in the lake. I have felt that since the beginning. The area they searched was very near the dam. There is water constantly flowing through the dam into the river below the lake. I believe that the force of the water flowing would pull any object and/or body up against the grates in the dam, this would include any divers searching I believe. I have been told that there could be potential serious legal ramifications if they shut off the water flow for a search. Is it possible that LE is trying to get all their ducks in a row to shut off the water?

So glad to see some more local perspective on here all9ofus! I'm in Colorado but in the Denver area. I haven't been to your part of the state for several years, its beautiful there.

Yesterday, someone was posting about the area around Vallecito having undesirable people (my words). What are your thoughts about this?

 

[katydid23]

I also believe that he is in the lake. I have felt that since the beginning. The area they searched was very near the dam. There is water constantly flowing through the dam into the river below the lake. I believe that the force of the water flowing would pull any object and/or body up against the grates in the dam, this would include any divers searching I believe. I have been told that there could be potential serious legal ramifications if they shut off the water flow for a search. Is it possible that LE is trying to get all their ducks in a row to shut off the water?

I agree, sad to say, that he is probably in that ice cold, deep lake.

And :welcome: to WS. We love to hear from locals, but sad it is such a tragic case.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I also believe that he is in the lake. I have felt that since the beginning. The area they searched was very near the dam. There is water constantly flowing through the dam into the river below the lake. I believe that the force of the water flowing would pull any object and/or body up against the grates in the dam, this would include any divers searching I believe. I have been told that there could be potential serious legal ramifications if they shut off the water flow for a search. Is it possible that LE is trying to get all their ducks in a row to shut off the water?

Or are they hoping he'll eventually end up downstream? I would think they got expert advice on what would happen if a body were near the dam grates and maybe they were told to wait it out and he would eventually surface some where? I know the temps of the water make a difference as far as a body surfacing too.

 

[asyousay]

The only thing I recall & it was when they went back in at another time was due to the water temp. the divers were only allow in a set # of minutes then they had to be out for 24 hours before going in again.

So why not ship in more divers ?

A young boy is missing so i am sure if they need 100 divers that they can bring them in somehow , no ?

 

[katydid23]

The only thing I recall & it was when they went back in at another time was due to the water temp. the divers were only allow in a set # of minutes then they had to be out for 24 hours before going in again.

From what I remember, that lake is really really cold and very deep, and very large. It is almost impossible to find a body there, imo.

 

[StJohn]

But TES could still help with locating a body couldn't they? Or do they only do search and rescue if they believe someone might still be alive?

IIRC, TES conducted ocean searches in Aruba, looking for Natalee Holloway's body. So unless something has changed, I think they will search either way.

 

[asyousay]

From what I remember, that lake is really really cold and very deep, and very large. It is almost impossible to find a body there, imo.

Because i have no idea about the lake or how deep it is , is it possible for Dylan to have fallen in whilst fishing for example ?

 

[Abby Normal Again]

I doubt LE refused TES because they already know who is responsible for his demise. That's when they are most desperate for a body- and when it's most time sensitive. When they know who did it, but don't have enough evidence to prosecute without a body yielding forensics. It defies logic to say that knowing but having no evidence is the reason they don't want help.

And not because of the bill either. TES billed CA because she herself asked for their help and then her defense was that she had already know her daughter had passed in an innocent pool drowning. Because she admitted to knowing she didn't need TES help, and had used their resources anyway. If ER asked for TES help, that couldn't happen because (logically) ER doesn't know where DR is.

 

[i8mypaint]

Most of the locals that I have had conversations about regarding this case seem to think that it is not a stranger abduction but rather it is at the hands of someone close to the situation. They also don't believe that Dylan is still alive.

Welcome All9ofus! And thanks for the insider thoughts.

 

[FlyerFan28]

http://www.usbr.gov/projects/Facility.jsp?fac_Name=Vallecito+Dam
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The spillway is a gate-controlled, concrete-lined open channel, 2,300 feet long at the right abutment. The outlet works is a twin section concrete conduit through the right abutment of the dam.

I wonder if a body could slip through the conduit? Do we have any civil engineers here?