CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #21

[Dee10]

here's the list of texts

At 5:40 p.m., Dylan tells his friend that his plane has landed, and Ryan asks him how the flight went.

“Weired my head went numb from all the vibrations,” Dylan replies.

Soon after, they begin making arrangements to see each other. The texts, provided by Ryan, are unedited.



RN: (time 6:43 p.m. Nov. 18) Im in pagosa coming

Dylan Redwine: Cant come srry ill hang tommarow

R: Ok

R: (time 7:09 p.m. Nov. 18) Why

Dylan: idk

R: (time 7:45 p.m. Nov. 18) Did your dad say no

Dylan: (time 8:01 p.m. Nov. 18) yea

R: Oh ok

Dylan: can I come over early lkke 6 30 early tomarrow

R: Yeah

Dylan: you better let me in

R: I will

R: im gonna be at my gmas

Dylan: i call (you) all day if you dont

R: Ok

Dylan: will you gma care or be up

R: Just come around to were the sliding door is were that room is and knock on it and i will wake up

R: (Time 9:27 p.m. Nov. 18) Call me when you get here too

R: (Tme: 6:46 a.m. Nov. 19) Where are you

R: (Time: 10 a.m. Nov. 19) Come to nandos.

R: (time: 4:12 p.m. Nov. 19) Dude your dads looking for ou

R: you

R: (Time: 7:59 p.m. Nov. 19) Are you alright dude?

R: Dude you need to call somebody anybody asap we all worried about you your mom called and shes worried bro

R: Seriously when you get the message call someone

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687/-1/news01&source=RSS

Somewhere between 6:43 & before 7:09 Dylan knew he wasn't going to the friend's house. This would be within 1 1/2 hours of landing, after going to Walmart & McDonalds and they would be on the road heading to MR's house. MR or the reporter states it is a 45 minute drive. Which would put them there actually before 8:00. Anywhere from 7:28 to 7:50 going by 45 minutes. (Note posters found it was a bit less time according to google(?) maps.)

It was after 8:01 that Dylan asked to come over at 6:30 the next morning. The time difference from not going to I can come tomorrow on the texts ranges between approx. 1:18 to 1:08 hrs as Dylan's text don't have the specific time. If MR is being truthful, Dylan would be at the house at this time (see quote).

Dylan had asked his father whether he could go to his friends' that evening after they had shopped at Walmart and eaten at a McDonald's in Durango and before the 45-minute drive to Mark's home north of Vallecito Lake. Mark said he told his son it was too late.

http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

 

[Eileen730]

I am thinking alcohol is involved, either way.
Sometimes a dad or uncle or older brother wants to be ' cool' and let
a minor drink. No one would know, it's just us two,, don't tell your mom
kind of thing. Its' pretty common. Maybe dad gave son a drink or two
and something horrible happened, totally accidental and now MR is in
a big quandary . Food for thought.

Naaa!
I do think Dads a drinker tho!

JMO

 

[Eileen730]

If it was an accident dad would have called 911!
If dad hit him and killed him its not really an acident!
JMO

 

[kkdj]

as soon as MR spoke about Dylan wanting to see his friends Sunday night, and he said no, then he said Dylan was going to spend 2 to 3 days with his friends, then dad said it was important to him also that Dylan saw his friends.
This is where I think the problems arose.
Dad spent money in court to see Dylan.
Dad spent money on flight to see Dylan.
Dylan right away doesn't want to go to dads but rather his friends.
When Dylan is denied he wants to go to his friends the moment he can in the morning.
Dad is ticked, feeling rejected, having gone to all he has and spending all that money and his son let's him know he doesn't want to be with him.
One good hit or maybe Dylan fought. Regardless, this makes sense to me as a scenario.
Just a thought.

 

[Eileen730]

as soon as MR spoke about Dylan wanting to see his friends Sunday night, and he said no, then he said Dylan was going to spend 2 to 3 days with his friends, then dad said it was important to him also that Dylan saw his friends.
This is where I think the problems arose.
Dad spent money in court to see Dylan.
Dad spent money on flight to see Dylan.
Dylan right away doesn't want to go to dads but rather his friends.
When Dylan is denied he wants to go to his friends the moment he can in the morning.
Dad is ticked, feeling rejected, having gone to all he has and spending all that money and his son let's him know he doesn't want to be with him.
One good hit or maybe Dylan fought. Regardless, this makes sense to me as a scenario.
Just a thought.

I agree! Many of us have said the same exact thing!
I also think he smashed the phone! That put an end to the texting.
but I think it was the beginning of something bad that happend!

JMO

 

[jjenny]

Somewhere between 6:43 & before 7:09 Dylan knew he wasn't going to the friend's house. This would be within 1 1/2 hours of landing, after going to Walmart & McDonalds and they would be on the road heading to MR's house. MR or the reporter states it is a 45 minute drive. Which would put them there actually before 8:00. Anywhere from 7:28 to 7:50 going by 45 minutes. (Note posters found it was a bit less time according to google(?) maps.)

It was after 8:01 that Dylan asked to come over at 6:30 the next morning. The time difference from not going to I can come tomorrow on the texts ranges between approx. 1:18 to 1:08 hrs as Dylan's text don't have the specific time. If MR is being truthful, Dylan would be at the house at this time (see quote).

http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

We don't know if these texts came after McDonalds and Wallmart. There is nothing in the texts to put that into the time frame. Since we don't know how long they stayed it either Wallmart or McDonalds, we can not make these calculations.

 

[mijamawi]

Also, I don't believe that Dylan had secret online friends or secret older friends. I know that happens a lot with kids his age. But not usually with kids who have a lot of good friends and who have close family support. D was very close to his older brother, who apparently had his FB password. So I think CR watched his little bro pretty closely. My DS was always looking over his lil sisters shoulder and was very careful that she was not accepting messages from 'creepers' as they called them.

It is possible that a neighbor or a creepy friend of the family stopped by. That is a scary possibility. But it still does not explain why D didnt turn on his cell that morning. I would expect he would be looking at his texts while eating his cereal.


ETA: And if he had plans with a trusted person that morning, wouldn't there be an electronic record of it somewhere?

I wasn't referring to an online friend or secret older friend. I totally believe CR and Dylan are close, and I totally believe CR was looking out for Dylan and trying to protect him as best he could. There may be electronic record of communication from that morning, just not on Dylan's phone.

 

[kkdj]

I agree! Many of us have said the same exact thing!
I also think he smashed the phone! That put an end to the texting.
but I think it was the beginning of something bad that happend!

JMO

Dad speaking about how Dylan seeing his friends was important to him too, all his talk about dylans friends got my hinky meter going. Kinda like, me thinketh thou protesteth too much! Kwim?
Jmo
But that is what I think is at the root of this child missing.
Now I also think the revenge factor w ER was more dad exercising his rights for visitation, over a holiday, and keeping her in court.
Again, jmo

 

[jjenny]

well i still question why LE would allow a minor's texts to be published and not MR's. unless they don't exist and he simply told them he texted dylan that afternoon but in fact did not. or subsequently also told them he deleted 'the texts'.

if they existed, LE should have gone ahead and shared them with MSM just as they did RN's. IMO. JMO. MOO.

Press asked minor to show them these texts. LE couldn't either allow or forbid the press to do that. We do have freedom of the press.

 

[SCHMAE]

If it was an accident dad would have called 911!
If dad hit him and killed him its not really an acident!
JMO

I'm not thinking of a hit him and killed him accident.
I'm thinking more like drunken shenanigans.. " yall
look "" type of accident. Running through the woods,
climbing trees, jumping off the roof into a truck bed.
I don't know. Drunk people do stupid stuff. Then when
an accident like that happens, if there is no one in the
area SOBER enough to get help, there is a delay, perhaps
too long a delay. Now MR wakes up the next morning
thinking O M G and knowing he's at fault for
A ) letting a minor drink B) being too drunk himself
to give aid.
I agree it's not likely. It's just a scenario that has not
yet been looked at.

FYI this is basically what I think happened in baby Lisa case
Mom was drunk and dropped baby or something like this and
then in drunkenness thought i will check on her later, surely
she's ok and then before she knew it it was too late
I M H O M O O J M O E T C

 

[Dee10]

Since we don't know how long they stayed it either Wallmart or McDonalds, we can not make these calculations.

I believe we can using the text times, because we do have that & we know that is accurate. MR said after those places but before the drive home, so then I looked at what time was the text approx. Now mind you this is MR's story or version what happened.

 

[asyousay]

Also just the tone of the texts to RN say to me Dylan was not happy.


He is not engaging Ryan into convo at the beginning and is giving very short replys like he cant talk or is unhappy.

 

[Dee10]

Keep in mind, from when Dylan told his friend he couldn't go that night to the next day's visit was anywhere between 1 hr. 8 min. to l hr. 18 min. That has the potential to be a loonggg discussion or argument as they were discussing each of their plans and could be why MR said they hadn't finalized the other days.

 

[scorekeeper]

I still wonder about this guy

http://apps.douglas.co.us/apps/sotar/initPublicOffenderDetail.do?offenderId=9621

 

[asyousay]

Because i am not good at this can somebody post the texts again from Dylan and R please?

 

[kkdj]

I still wonder about this guy

http://apps.douglas.co.us/apps/sotar/initPublicOffenderDetail.do?offenderId=9621

He looks harmless, doesn't he? That's what can be so scary about some of these guys!

 

[scorekeeper]

for azgrandma,

did Mark have friends, socialize on the weekends, close buddies? Close to his family - attend holiday gatherings, etc.

Trying to get a feel for his personality.

So appreciate all the information you have shared. Thank you!

 

[cattlekate]

I agree! Many of us have said the same exact thing!
I also think he smashed the phone! That put an end to the texting.
but I think it was the beginning of something bad that happend!

JMO

But there'd be some kind of forensic evidence in the truck, IMHO. MR's trucks have been returned and no arrest made based on anything found in the truck.

 

[TxJan1971]

I still wonder about this guy

http://apps.douglas.co.us/apps/sotar/initPublicOffenderDetail.do?offenderId=9621

I'm curious to know if the victim was male or female and the age.

 

[DylansMom34]

Didn't LE clear all the registered S.O.'s in the area?