CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #21

[scorekeeper]

Yes, perhaps. If we were to go by just texts though, his friend texted him at 6:45ish wondering where he was, but then didn't text again until 10ish. That would indicate he (RN) wasn't too terribly concerned at that time.

Is it possibly when Dylan didn't answer his friend's text the friend rolled over and went back to sleep. Woke up around 10 and texted Dylan again.

 

[mijamawi]

If my time with my boys were limited I really can't imagine being concerned about their time with their friends. I might invite their friends along for a couple group activities but I really don't think I would be cool with the whole 'spend 2-3 days of my limited and hard fought time with your buddies'. I'd honestly feel that if time with friends was so important than ER should be responsible for making that happen on her own time & dime.

As someone above said, this feels like a protests too much situation when MR talks about it. He doesn't strike me as an accommodating, laid back sort of guy. I can see the request to go to friends and the texting with his friends really setting him off and being the start of something very ugly.

I agree that I would be terribly hurt as a mom. I just don't see dads in that same kind of way. If MR took ER to court to get the visitation just out of spite or revenge as some would suggest, would he really care if Dylan hung out with him? JMO

 

[vasportsmom]

Ok. I just wanted to throw in the addition that she doesn't really know him anymore, so take with a grain of salt rather than fact as some tend to do.

I think most of us are pretty clear on the current dynamics of that relationship and the context Az's answers are offered in. It was a fair warning though. I wish this thread was attracting enough new attention to make that sort of warning really necessary.

* Ugh, this sounds all snarky or something but it isn't meant that way. I jut wish Dylan was getting more attention so we had reason to rehash and explain every little thing.

 

[TxJan1971]

If my time with my boys were limited I really can't imagine being concerned about their time with their friends. I might invite their friends along for a couple group activities but I really don't think I would be cool with the whole 'spend 2-3 days of my limited and hard fought time with your buddies'. I'd honestly feel that if time with friends was so important than ER should be responsible for making that happen on her own time & dime.

As someone above said, this feels like a protests too much situation when MR talks about it. He doesn't strike me as an accommodating, laid back sort of guy. I can see the request to go to friends and the texting with his friends really setting him off and being the start of something very ugly.

I agree because DH gets ticked every time the kids come from out of state to visit and have cells glued to them at dinnertime, restaurants, family events, etc. We've had many "disagreements" about proper etiquette so I know how that could go... Also, DH just got ticked about son who hasn't been home to visit in a long while with grandkids and called his dad to tell him he'll be here for 3 days but 2 1/2 days are already planned out with "friends" and "others." I don't need to explain how that turned out...

 

[kkdj]

If my time with my boys were limited I really can't imagine being concerned about their time with their friends. I might invite their friends along for a couple group activities but I really don't think I would be cool with the whole 'spend 2-3 days of my limited and hard fought time with your buddies'. I'd honestly feel that if time with friends was so important than ER should be responsible for making that happen on her own time & dime.

As someone above said, this feels like a protests too much situation when MR talks about it. He doesn't strike me as an accommodating, laid back sort of guy. I can see the request to go to friends and the texting with his friends really setting him off and being the start of something very ugly.

Most of what MR spoke about was Dylan being with his friends. That's the hot button IMO!
I'm the one who said the protesteth too much phrase. I thought it right away when I heard MR speak.
I agree with what you said above.

 

[mijamawi]

Or... maybe RN merely fell back asleep thus no call until 10'ish. Remember others have already posted that Dylan probably fell back asleep when he "didn't want to get up" because that's what kids that age do - they don't like to get up early....

If this was felt to be normal behavior for Dylan then I would reckon it would be normal behavior for RN as well.

Yes, of course, but I was going off of someone's basing Dylan's texts as a thoughtful kid who was worried about his friend's grandmother; therefore, he must be a very thoughtful kid who wouldn't miss his early morning playdate. Thus, his friend would really be worried if his thoughtful friend had made him get up at 6:30 for nothing.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the parents whenever I can. I would like to believe that MR had changed and wanted to be a better father to DR and was trying to be.

I asked awhile back about the Walmart picture because the way DR is wearing his hat in both pictures looks just way too similar that I wondered if it is stated that the one picture is in fact from Walmart.

As for the fishing pole...I think he noticed it missing because it was located by the front door on the porch. Not because he just bought it or to steer the investigation. I think it will turn out to have nothing to do with the investigation.

A couple months ago my Blackberry battery was low and then died soon after without being used even. I plugged it in to charge and came back to use it a couple hrs later and it was still dead. The next day it was still dead, never did charge. I never had a problem with the phone or battery and they weren't even very old. just sayin...

Re: your last paragraph...same thing has happened to me too, unfortunately. So far I have been able to solve the problem by popping the battery out and reinserting. It has happened to be several times. I have had the phone since August 2011.

 

[DylansMom34]

Ok. I just wanted to throw in the addition that she doesn't really know him anymore, so take with a grain of salt rather than fact as some tend to do.

We are all bright people here and her insights are really helpful IMO

 

[mijamawi]

I think most of us are pretty clear on the current dynamics of that relationship and the context Az's answers are offered in. It was a fair warning though. I wish this thread was attracting enough new attention to make that sort of warning really necessary.

* Ugh, this sounds all snarky or something but it isn't meant that way. I jut wish Dylan was getting more attention so we had reason to rehash and explain every little thing.

I didn't take that as snarky at all.

I felt it needed to be said, because we do have new people coming in and asking about things that were hashed out threads ago. Just this morning someone asked to see the texts again when they had just been posted a page prior.

 

[Eileen730]

But there'd be some kind of forensic evidence in the truck, IMHO. MR's trucks have been returned and no arrest made based on anything found in the truck.

I think they got out of the truck!

 

[PaulR]

I think they got out of the truck!

What do you mean, "got out of the truck"?

 

[mijamawi]

I think they got out of the truck!

Did they pull off the road? No one drove by to see this grown man beating his 5'0 son to death? If MR was in a crazed fit of rage, do you think a kid would willingly get out of the vehicle? Did MR drag him out of the vehicle?

 

[Ladylub]

RN may have thought that MR told DR no again. So went back to sleep. RN may have even talked to his grandma about it and the grandma may have brushed it off as DR was there to visit MR give him a chance to call. Most adults would say well maybe something came up as we know things can happen.

 

[Eileen730]

Is it possibly when Dylan didn't answer his friend's text the friend rolled over and went back to sleep. Woke up around 10 and texted Dylan again.

Exactly and maybe he figured Dylans dad said no again!


I would love to know what these kids thought of His Dad!
What kind of guy he is!

 

[Tennlyn]

If my time with my boys were limited I really can't imagine being concerned about their time with their friends. I might invite their friends along for a couple group activities but I really don't think I would be cool with the whole 'spend 2-3 days of my limited and hard fought time with your buddies'. I'd honestly feel that if time with friends was so important than ER should be responsible for making that happen on her own time & dime.

As someone above said, this feels like a protests too much situation when MR talks about it. He doesn't strike me as an accommodating, laid back sort of guy. I can see the request to go to friends and the texting with his friends really setting him off and being the start of something very ugly.

bbm

Most of what MR spoke about was Dylan being with his friends. That's the hot button IMO!
I'm the one who said the protesteth too much phrase. I thought it right away when I heard MR speak.
I agree with what you said above.

In that extended video, MR even said something about maybe going bowling with Dylan and his friends. I immediately wondered if he'd ever done anything with Dylan's friends before. It just didn't sound truthful to me. It sounded like he was pretending to be a good father. :moo:

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

I hate that I am repeating myself, but I am posting my dead phone theory here again. First I have to ask though, hasn't anyone here ever kept a phone long enough for it to simply come to the end of its life? Perhaps for most posters, the phone is always upgraded before this happens? I've never been on a plan where mine has been upgraded after a certain time, so tend to keep my phones until they expire. Yes it sounds like a coincidence, but what if the dead phone is in fact the trigger that set the rest in motion?

OK so here it is
Around 8ish phone stops working - assumed to be out of charge.No doubt there was some tension/disappointment - especially on Dylan's part over having to cancel his plans. So even if Dylan suspected his phone had just carked it (died) in his hands, he mightn't have wanted to speak to dad and ask for his. Teenagers do sulk.

Back home phone goes on charger - Dylan is pooped/still disappointed (imo there is no denying that not getting to bed until 4am Sunday morning is going to catch up with a 13 year old) and falls asleep quickly on sofa.

Monday morning, being a typical overtired teen, Dylan is hard to rouse for the very early start - groggily agrees to getting a ride to his friends when dad gets back.
When Dylan wakes up enough (we are on holidays here now and my sons surfaced just after 10am this morning) he discovers the phone hasn't charged at all. Yes he's mad, but we can't know that he necessarily went into some desperate frenzy or panic over it. You and I might worry about missing a scheduled meeting time - he's 13. He eats breakfast while deciding what to do.

Here's a couple of scenarios that could have followed:

# Dylan is so ticked off/frustrated, he gathers his stuff and heads off on his own steam. Sick of waiting and being told what to do, he asserts his independence and hits the road. Wrong place/time - opportunistic predator passing by.

# Dylan waits for Dad to return (possibly not such a long wait if he really slept in). It's likely he has his all his gear packed and ready to jump in the truck as soon as dad arrives - possibly even waiting in the front yard or near the road impatiently. Seemingly helpful predator (not necessarily a complete stranger) arrives and offers a ride - maybe even in the guise of helping out dad.

That post has taken me well over an hour to type - lots of real life interruptions, so sorry if it seems out of context.

Yes, I have kept my phone until it expired from natural causes...RIP, my sweet first-gen iPhone! It lasted thru many tumbles and falls until one night it simple wouldn't charge. Never any problem of any kind until then. I plugged it in when I went to bed, as usual, but when I woke up...no charge. I tried other power cables, etc., but it was really and truly gone. I loved that phone.

 

[asyousay]

I didn't take that as snarky at all.

I felt it needed to be said, because we do have new people coming in and asking about things that were hashed out threads ago. Just this morning someone asked to see the texts again when they had just been posted a page prior.

Sorry because of the time difference ( Its 7.20pm here) , i would of read the page before i asked this morning and would of totally forgot it was there.

I just wanted to make a point about the texts and the fact it made no sense when i listen to MR's version of events that morning IMHO.

 

[Eileen730]

Did they pull off the road? No one drove by to see this grown man beating his 5'0 son to death? If MR was in a crazed fit of rage, do you think a kid would willingly get out of the vehicle? Did MR drag him out of the vehicle?

Yes Dylan would get out of the Truck!
Esp if dad smashed his phone!

He could open the door and dad would have to stop the truck dylan gets out dad follows...

And I do not think anyone drove by them but thats jmo.

 

[vasportsmom]

I didn't take that as snarky at all.

I felt it needed to be said, because we do have new people coming in and asking about things that were hashed out threads ago. Just this morning someone asked to see the texts again when they had just been posted a page prior.

I know what you are saying. From a LE standpoint this case may still be hot but if media coverage or even WS activity is any indicator this case is going cold. I wish that wasn't true.

I'm glad you got what I was saying. I was afraid it would read as a slap for saying something that was common sense and unnecessary but I didn't mean that at all. I'd be thrilled if we needed to repeat those things every 3 pages just to keep up with the influx of new posters.

 

[DylansMom34]

Seems everyone should be able to post questions or seek clarification and can sort out information for themselves. Just MOO