CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #22

[Confusion]

Well anyone who ever watches anything about crimes on TV nowadays knows that many are solved by cell phone pings! Destroy the phone and no pings.

Anyone who watches anything about crimes on tv nowadays also knows that there's almost no case that can't be solved within an hour or two if your investigators are good looking enough. :waitasec:

 

[rebeccaeee]

http://www.terryrbacon.com/index.cfm/reflections/dylan-redwine-has-vanished/

Found this blog entry from a Durango local. Interesting in that it shows the community still has Dylan on their minds, particularly at the end of the holiday season.

 

[vasportsmom]

People that are daily drinkers often times don't even appear to be drunk. Their bodies are so used to it. And if Dylan was used to his Dad drinking daily he probably would not have thought it odd. This doesn't however mean that their thinking or judgement is not impaired. I've known many such drunks. Long term alcoholism really messes up your thinking process.

You're right, of course. There is no rationalizing alcoholics or their behavior. I can't explain it but I really don't feel that MR snapped due to anger, alcohol or a combo of the two and killed Dylan. I think this crime was a lot more evil than that.

 

[mck16]

what if your with your son that you have not seen in a while and are getting pretty PO'd cause hes texting and wanting to be with his friends and not you.

what if you take his phone and smash it or toss it in the lake. cause your so PO'd
then your son says hes hates you and wants to go home.
what if ya get mad and hurt him.

Hey you already tossed the phone and you really didnt mean to murder your son
so what do ya do.... you text him! after you create the story of what happend.

Just a theory!

I understand this theory, but in the first place, why are you at the lake? Not on the way home I don't think. The only way to me that would work that the cell was broken or not working would be if it was thrown in the lake. If it was smashed he could still pick it up and bring it home. jmo

 

[aust amateur slueth]

This makes me wonder if they took MR's pc and if not they should have to look for any searches he may have done.

and hope theres not a repeat of the casey anthony search fiasco

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Has anyone somewhere other than WS even suggested that MR is a drunk, alcoholic, daily drinker, or any of the other alcohol related names he's been given? If so, could you please post a link to it? TIA

I would say it's a pretty safe assumption based on the incident of him having sex with a woman in the yard while his wife and children watched. This is based on my own experiences being around alcoholics. Most occasional drinkers would not do such a thing....a drunk would. He was not a 20 year old partying college student when this happened. He was a grown man with a wife and children.

 

[azgrandma]

Hmmm... that's a possible scenario. If you would, let me play devil's advocate.

If he was angry enough to murder over this, why wouldn't he go after the judge who made the order? Or his wife who was probably just as responsible for her having primary custody of DR (assuming she made statements that "override" DR's request)?

Why would he assume DR said he didn't want to stay with him, since the mothers almost always get primary custody over their children?

If he picked up DR with intent and DR acted and said that it wasn't his choice, it was the judge, why would MR still go through with the murder?

BBM - who go after the judge? and for what? Judges can't be sued for the decisions that they make.

 

[mck16]

I would say it's a pretty safe assumption based on the incident of him having sex with a woman in the yard while his wife and children watched. This is based on my own experiences being around alcoholics. Most occasional drinkers would not do such a thing....a drunk would. He was not a 20 year old partying college student when this happened. He was a grown man with a wife and children.

Why doesn't anyone bring up the fact the ER was drinking and driving with the children when she went to pick them up from school. And that was in the middle of the day and not 3:00 in the morning at a party. And at 8 years old why was DR up and awake to watch this happen? I am not saying any of this was right or justifiable, but I do think it was tit for tat.

 

[asyousay]

I would say it's a pretty safe assumption based on the incident of him having sex with a woman in the yard while his wife and children watched. This is based on my own experiences being around alcoholics. Most occasional drinkers would not do such a thing....a drunk would. He was not a 20 year old partying college student when this happened. He was a grown man with a wife and children.

See i don't know if i think drink fueled this indecent or if once again it came down to punishing Elaine and humiliating her in front of friends and family .

How humiliating would that of been for her and the children and i'm sure a load of gossip would of followed the incident in a small rural town and it would not of just been forgotten about the next day .


He strikes me as somebody that could do this without alcoholic as an excuse is what im trying to say .


IMO,MOO

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Why doesn't anyone bring up the fact the ER was drinking and driving with the children when she went to pick them up from school. And that was in the middle of the day and not 3:00 in the morning at a party. And at 8 years old why was DR up and awake to watch this happen? I am not saying any of this was right or justifiable, but I do think it was tit for tat.

Way back when this was being discussed I said that I wouldn't be surprised if Elaine had a drinking problem also.

But the fact is Elaine was nowhere near Dylan when he went missing. MR was.

It does seem you are trying to justify MR's disgusting behavior. What he did is absolutely disgusting. If Elaine did it I would say the same thing. Do you really think a sober person would do this? Or an occasional drinker?

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Given the circumstances (MR last to see DR, some vagueness about their last hours together, ER's accusation, etc.), I can totally understand the speculation that MR accidentally killed DR in a rage or that MR somehow died in DR's care (perhaps as a result of MR's negligence) and MR covered it up. I am baffled, however, by the speculation that MR pre-meditatedly killed DR when there is literally no evidence to suggest that he would ever do such a thing. Intentionally and pre-meditatedly killing one's own child (absent mercy-type circumstances) is incredibly rare (especially for men, actually -- though the statistics for moms normally relate to very young children) and a far cry from being a bit of a deadbeat dad.

rare or not it does happen

I believe the speculation is due to lack of known evidence, if it happened out of the blue its more likely there would be evidence left.

 

[Confusion]

I would say it's a pretty safe assumption based on the incident of him having sex with a woman in the yard while his wife and children watched. This is based on my own experiences being around alcoholics. Most occasional drinkers would not do such a thing....a drunk would. He was not a 20 year old partying college student when this happened. He was a grown man with a wife and children.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I don't happen to share it. I've known many people over the years who have done something they aren't proud of after having too many at a holiday party. I've also known many who have said or done things out of anger after drinking that they wouldn't normally do. Not all of them drink every day, are always drunk or are even alcoholics. As a matter of fact, even alcoholics that I know don't always drink every day (some do), and a few almost never even get drunk. I've also only seen one statement that says he was "having sex", but that can mean different things to different people - just ask Bill Clinton! MOO

 

[mck16]

Way back when this was being discussed I said that I wouldn't be surprised if Elaine had a drinking problem also.

But the fact is Elaine was nowhere near Dylan when he went missing. MR was.

It does seem you are trying to justify MR's disgusting behavior. What he did is absolutely disgusting. If Elaine did it I would say the same thing. Do you really think a sober person would do this? Or an occasional drinker?

It was absolutely disgusting, but it wasn't life threatening as was what ER did. And we are talking an act of murder by MR. that is the point I was trying to make. jmo

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Well his ex wife called him a 'daily drinker'. I believe her.

Does it really matter what type of sex he was having? Seriously??

 

[Darcyline]

From personal experience, hardcore alcoholics are definitely not the only people who can get too drunk and do something embarrassing at a party. We can share stories somewhere else if anyone is up for it

I do believe that MR is probably a drinker though.

 

[popsicle]

and hope theres not a repeat of the casey anthony search fiasco

I am thinking LE everywhere learned from that

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Why doesn't anyone bring up the fact the ER was drinking and driving with the children when she went to pick them up from school. And that was in the middle of the day and not 3:00 in the morning at a party. And at 8 years old why was DR up and awake to watch this happen? I am not saying any of this was right or justifiable, but I do think it was tit for tat.

are you quite sure about that being accurate?

IIRC that accusation was thrown supposedly two years later.

but something I noticed was that it said two years ago when they lived in Denver.

When did they move from Denver and would Dylan have been at school then?

 

[Confusion]

BBM - who go after the judge? and for what? Judges can't be sued for the decisions that they make.

I agree. I would imagine most guys who were that upset would go after the ex-wife. How did he react when you moved out of state with your children? Or were they already old enough that it didn't matter? Not being snarky, but I'm just curious to know if he flew off the handle when you were no longer close enough to have regular contact. Thanks. MOO

 

[vasportsmom]

Way back when this was being discussed I said that I wouldn't be surprised if Elaine had a drinking problem also.

But the fact is Elaine was nowhere near Dylan when he went missing. MR was.

It does seem you are trying to justify MR's disgusting behavior. What he did is absolutely disgusting. If Elaine did it I would say the same thing. Do you really think a sober person would do this? Or an occasional drinker?

That confuses me more than anything. I get erring on the side of caution and not being willing to lay blame at Mark's feet just yet. I do not get trashing Elaine in an attempt to justify Mark's behavior. What is the purpose? Elaine could be any number of horrible things but that doesn't change the fact that she was nowhere around when Dylan disappeared off the face of the Earth.

 

[Eileen730]

Way back when this was being discussed I said that I wouldn't be surprised if Elaine had a drinking problem also.

But the fact is Elaine was nowhere near Dylan when he went missing. MR was.

It does seem you are trying to justify MR's disgusting behavior. What he did is absolutely disgusting. If Elaine did it I would say the same thing. Do you really think a sober person would do this? Or an occasional drinker?

I think she did also!
Possibly still does but she was not the last person to be with Dylan!