CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #22

[oceanblueeyes]

Because the story we have been told has holes in them. Some things just are not logical IMO.

Even if i rule out the phone totally for whatever reason .

Then i have Dylan that had plans with a friend that he 100% arranged and wanted to do then choose to go fishing by himself with his belongings on him when his dad was due back to pick him up .


Something does not add up in any shape or form!!!


MOO

What holes? I was under the impression LE hasnt divulged all the evidence and timeline of events that they have uncovered?

I thought he told his friends he could not go that night. As far as him telling them he would be there at 6:30 the next morning (which I would never let my child go to someone else's home that early unless they were going out of town together for some reason) we have raised five children. They would have big grandiose plans in their mind until it actually meant getting up early on an off day from school then all of a sudden it wasnt as important as they thought and they would rather sleep in and then go later on.

So I dont see anything odd about that personally.

IMO

 

[SCHMAE]

You take that back! Right now!! The tooth fairy is ... well darn it, she's cute like Tinkerbell so I insist on you apologizing to her.

Well ok, I'll take it back. I think the the fishing pole is just as likely to be there then missing as it does of sneaking into your room tonight and fishing a tooth out from under your pillow. How's that ?

 

[asyousay]

What holes? I was under the impression LE hasnt divulged all the evidence and timeline of events that they have uncovered?

I thought he told his friends he could not go that night. As far as him telling them he would be there at 6:30 the next morning (which I would never let my child go to someone else's home that early unless they were going out of town together for some reason) we have raised five children. They would have big grandiose plans in their mind until it actually meant getting up early on an off day from school then all of a sudden it wasnt as important as they thought and they would rather sleep in and then go later on.

So I dont see anything odd about that personally.

IMO

Each to there own

Dylan says he is going to be there at 6:30am and i believe he had every intention of being there. Something stopped him imo .

nobody held a gun to Dylans head when he made them plans and i see no reason why he would not follow though.
After all he is also the one that states " if R did not answer he would ring him and bug him all day if needed"

Yet randomally he fails to turn up and then never texts or calls R to explain why. It makes no sense !

 

[Seajay]

Because the story we have been told has holes in them. Some things just are not logical IMO.

Even if i rule out the phone totally for whatever reason .

Then i have Dylan that had plans with a friend that he 100% arranged and wanted to do then choose to go fishing by himself with his belongings on him when his dad was due back to pick him up .


Something does not add up in any shape or form!!!


MOO

I guess what I keep getting stuck on is that we are dealing with a 13 year old boy. What they do rarely makes sense. Rarely what they do is logical. They go to bed one night, your darling, adorable little boy and come out one morning with your child's face and body but during that night, something happened, they become a totally different person than the one you knew and loved. It's teenagitis and it's scary. LOL

 

[azgrandma]

I really have read and weighed out and been open to all options here. There's just some things I can't get past. The phone dying is a HUGE red flag to me. But there was much discussion on the fact that it could have quit, battery could have failed etc etc and I say OK lets say the battery quit. Let's say the phone was just inoperable for whatever reason but due to failure of the phone itself. Then the only way Dylan took the fishing pole (IMHO) was to go fishing until his Dad got home. Would he really take all his belongings with him and a broken cell phone? I don't think Dylan would have taken the pole and tried to head to Bayfield. So for me, even if you take the cell phone out of it the fishing pole story doesn't add up. It just doesn't.

I agree, IMO it doesn't add up.

Adding to your thought, even IF DR took his entire backpack with all his clothing, his iPod or iPad, the chargers, the broken phone and did a little Andy Griffith moment going to the fishing hole. Then he slipped and fell in the water and drowned.
Who fishes with their backpack full of stuff on? Wouldn't the backpack be on the edge of the water?
Did he wade out into 40 feet of water to fish? He had no boat, so IMO even if he slipped into the water, hit a dip in the bottom and went under, he still would've been right by the waters edge unless that current is strong enough to whip him into the middle of lake or am I wrong about the current?

 

[jjenny]

What holes? I was under the impression LE hasnt divulged all the evidence and timeline of events that they have uncovered?

I thought he told his friends he could not go that night. As far as him telling them he would be there at 6:30 the next morning (which I would never let my child go to someone else's home that early unless they were going out of town together for some reason) we have raised five children. They would have big grandiose plans in their mind until it actually meant getting up early on an off day from school then all of a sudden it wasnt as important as they thought and they would rather sleep in and then go later on.

So I dont see anything odd about that personally.

IMO

Dylan was the one who asked if he can come that early. His friend took it seriously and expected Dylan there that early. About 15 minutes after 6:30 am, friend was already texting Dylan asking where Dylan was.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Ok so assuming Dylan went fishing while waiting for Dad. Why would he take all of his belongings and backpack? Including a dead phone?

I thought there were items of Dylan's found in his dad's home?

I dont know why unless he stuffed his lures down in the bag and maybe snacks and water. The phone could have still been in his bag and had died from not being charged. I know everyone else seems to think that 13 year old kids charge their phones religiously but at 13 year old our grandchildren didnt ...they would only realize it was dead when they tried to use it. If their parents didnt remind them to charge it up they would forget. I think Elaine said it didnt have a GPS tracking on it anyway so if he took it with him maybe it fell into the water at the lake along with Dylan.

Some kids like to take their backpacks with them wherever they go. I see kids having them on when they are walking through the woods...or even at the malls.

 

[vasportsmom]

Well ok, I'll take it back. I think the the fishing pole is just as likely to be there then missing as it does of sneaking into your room tonight and fishing a tooth out from under your pillow. How's that ?

Well, I did spend my morning at the dentist.

 

[popsicle]

What if Dylan wakes, eats cereal while waiting for Dad. Phone isn't working/didn't charge so will tell Dad about it when he gets home to take him to friends house. He hears a truck outside and a door slam so he grabs his backpack real fast throwing in his cell and charger and runs to the door only to find it is not Dad. Maybe he remotely knows this person or not, doesn't matter. Dylan says oh, I thought you were my Dad home to take me to my friends. Pervs are slimy, slick people and was easily able to keep Dylan at ease and tell him np he would give him a ride.

Dylan walks out the door, leaving the tv on and slick walks out behind him, grabbing the pole for good measure, so that Dad might think D went fishing or something and throws in the back of his truck.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I have to say that the odds of a boys cell phone randomly dying the same time he goes missing...well that alone is pretty darn curious! But then it gets curious-er (is that word? lol). A boy that is described by his own Mother to not be outdoorsy takes off on a 4 mile hike to the lake to go fishing by himself AND takes his backpack full of his belongings and broken cell phone? Knowing that his Dad could be back at any moment to give him a ride to his friends. The friends he was very anxious to see. Or...a stranger comes to the door and abducts him AND takes the broken phone, backpack AND fishing pole! And throw in the football comment...I know that could be nothing but I don't think it is. It defies logic.

 

[absentia]

I say one thing missing, or two things don't add up for me with MR.
While I think he's very good for this by all accounts, last person to see him,
unseemly history, not too close with his kids, etc. I also think how could MR
pull off what seems to be the perfect crime? How could he with his drinking and
temper pull this off leaving no trace, well enough to leave a local LE and entire WS site and the FBI stumped for 6 weeks? Of all the things he strikes me as, cunning, crafty, slick, sly and undetectable are NOT any of them. Maybe AZG can weigh in if she likes. I just agree very much that MR would fit perfectly into this box of what the perp might look like in this case and yet I don't see how a raging drinking wild man could do it and not have left evidence of it. To have him the perp and leave nothing behind would actually make him NONE of the things we think / know/ think we know him to be. Right? It seems the kind of person who gets away with this forever is the quiet, passive, never raises a ruckus type of person, neighbors thought he's an angel and real sweet and helpful , thoughtful, educated, etc. The list goes on but I think you get the drift.

So to paraphrase, after my rambling, if MR is guilty of Dylan's disappearance he is NOTHING that we think he is . He's a different person altogether than what we've been looking at .
Which is it ?

yah, I totally agree. I wrote about this yesterday and this is why I think it was premeditated. too clean for a raging crime of passion, but not the perfect crime. but not enough evidence either. I think it will be time. If DR shows up in the lake (with a fishing pole), eyes will be hard on MR. Saying something about the pole and the lake right off the bat would be his biggest mistake if this was him. I don't see MR being super clever either, but I don't think this was a super clever crime. I think it was planned, and well thought out, but not well enough. It was someone who thought they covered their arse but in fact did not completely.

 

[azgrandma]

I guess what I keep getting stuck on is that we are dealing with a 13 year old boy. What they do rarely makes sense. Rarely what they do is logical. They go to bed one night, your darling, adorable little boy and come out one morning with your child's face and body but during that night, something happened, they become a totally different person than the one you knew and loved. It's teenagitis and it's scary. LOL

My brother in law took his kids to the garage at 13 and put the shop vac up to their head, when they asked him what he was doing (and looking at him very oddly) he would say, "you're 13 I have to suck your brains out and you can get them back when you are 24"

Everyone would laugh, but it's true as teenagers they change moment by moment. linda Blair was nothing compared to teens

 

[asyousay]

I guess what I keep getting stuck on is that we are dealing with a 13 year old boy. What they do rarely makes sense. Rarely what they do is logical. They go to bed one night, your darling, adorable little boy and come out one morning with your child's face and body but during that night, something happened, they become a totally different person than the one you knew and loved. It's teenagitis and it's scary. LOL

I do not have children yet and i hope i do not get that. If i was anything to go by tho yes i should be "very" afraid :floorlaugh:

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I agree, IMO it doesn't add up.

Adding to your thought, even IF DR took his entire backpack with all his clothing, his iPod or iPad, the chargers, the broken phone and did a little Andy Griffith moment going to the fishing hole. Then he slipped and fell in the water and drowned.
Who fishes with their backpack full of stuff on? Wouldn't the backpack be on the edge of the water?
Did he wade out into 40 feet of water to fish? He had no boat, so IMO even if he slipped into the water, hit a dip in the bottom and went under, he still would've been right by the waters edge unless that current is strong enough to whip him into the middle of lake or am I wrong about the current?

Good point! If Dylan went fishing and fell in where the heck is his backpack?

 

[StJohn]

Do most on here think this case will eventually be solved? I'm just curious.

My first thought is, unlikely, but then I think about the recent case of the little Cleary brothers. Abducted by their father - they were found alive in a Texas motel thanks to someone seeing their Mother's appeal on CNN. I think it is imperative that the word is spread quickly when these things happen.

It always baffles me, though, how some people never watch the news. I remember in the Jessica Ridgeway case there were a few neighbors who didn't even know she was missing until police canvassed the neighborhoods. And I have a coworker who says she never watches the news :waitasec:

Then consider the actions of LE - their focus sure doesn't seem to suggest they believe the abduction theory. And if MR did harm Dylan, in that case I think it very well may never be solved. Just my :twocents:

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I thought there were items of Dylan's found in his dad's home?

I dont know why unless he stuffed his lures down in the bag and maybe snacks and water. The phone could have still been in his bag and had died from not being charged. I know everyone else seems to think that 13 year old kids charge their phones religiously but at 13 year old our grandchildren didnt ...they would only realize it was dead when they tried to use it. If their parents didnt remind them to charge it up they would forget. I think Elaine said it didnt have a GPS tracking on it anyway so if he took it with him maybe it fell into the water at the lake along with Dylan.

Some kids like to take their backpacks with them wherever they go. I see kids having them on when they are walking through the woods...or even at the malls.

You don't think Dylan would have tried to contact Ryan to let him know he was coming later and wouldn't have realized the phone needed to be charged at that point?

 

[Crosby87]

Do you think Mark could possibly be hiding Dylan somewhere?

If Mark was involved in Dylan's disappearance, then he's hidden Dylan.
No one else was involved imo.
I think Mr took a stand on the primary custody issue because he believes he should have the final word or say in the matter.
This is why imo Mark didn’t reply to ER and CR after they learned from Mark that he hadn’t heard from Dylan since he left to run errands in the morning and left Dylan at home asleep on the couch.

MOO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree, IMO it doesn't add up.

Adding to your thought, even IF DR took his entire backpack with all his clothing, his iPod or iPad, the chargers, the broken phone and did a little Andy Griffith moment going to the fishing hole. Then he slipped and fell in the water and drowned.
Who fishes with their backpack full of stuff on? Wouldn't the backpack be on the edge of the water?
Did he wade out into 40 feet of water to fish? He had no boat, so IMO even if he slipped into the water, hit a dip in the bottom and went under, he still would've been right by the waters edge unless that current is strong enough to whip him into the middle of lake or am I wrong about the current?

He could be anywhere in that lake and Ive read it is deep. If it has a dam then it has currents and undertows. The body would not stay stationary. It would sink and then skirt along on the lake bottom and even get caught up in debris like tree stumps or be trapped in a large opening or crevis. How long did it take them to even search this lake? A body immediately sinks once all the air leaves the lungs and cold water drowning victims dont rise until spring when the water begins to warm.

My neighbor jumped into a lake near our home. There were witnesses that saw her go in and not come up. 911 was called and a search was immediately done including using water dogs in boats to detect human scent and this went on for over two months when the weather permitted (it happened at Christmastime). They absolutely knew she was in there but they never found her body.

IMO

 

[cluciano63]

I think comparing kids to Dylan is fruitless. He was on a trip to a place he had friends he was anxious to see. It was not a normal day, IMO. On a normal day, at his own home, sure, he might blow off the friend for some extra Z's. Or, if he was that tired, he would have found a way to let R know, tell his dad to call R if in fact his phone was broken. But dad knows nothing of a broken phone, apparently.

I am not at all thinking that anyone ever intended to harm Dylan, but I can't help thinking something took place on Sunday night.

 

[Seajay]

I agree, IMO it doesn't add up.

Adding to your thought, even IF DR took his entire backpack with all his clothing, his iPod or iPad, the chargers, the broken phone and did a little Andy Griffith moment going to the fishing hole. Then he slipped and fell in the water and drowned.
Who fishes with their backpack full of stuff on? Wouldn't the backpack be on the edge of the water?
Did he wade out into 40 feet of water to fish? He had no boat, so IMO even if he slipped into the water, hit a dip in the bottom and went under, he still would've been right by the waters edge unless that current is strong enough to whip him into the middle of lake or am I wrong about the current?

IF Dylan, his fishing pole and backpack are all found in the lake, after MR directed LE there, then to me, that's the smoking gun I will need to flip my current stance.