CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #22

[Psychic Sleuth]

Would the lake be very deep where he would go fishing ?

Because if it shallow then even falling in would not be fatal .

I don't know? Most people fish from the shoreline. I don't know if that lake has any steep drop offs. Dylan could swim so to me if he fell in from the shoreline he should have been able to get out. Unless like I said...he was at a steep drop off at a cliff or something? The thought also crossed my mind that perhaps he was fishing off a bridge and fell over the bridge? I don't even know if there are any bridges over or around this lake though.

 

[mmmagique]

Is there any type of sex that is appropriate to have on the front lawn with your wife and children as an audience?

Phone? (but you have to be REALLY, REALLY quiet...) :floorlaugh:

 

[Confusion]

My apologies for the length of this, I even removed some of the quotes and it still looks like a dime store novel. :blushing:

“It’s quite obvious now that he has been gone for over a week that he has not run away,” said Lisa Bourque, a Vallecito resident who created a Vallecito Facebook page and has been updating it constantly with news of Redwine’s disappearance.

Hess said she and those close to the family maintain Dylan did not run away from his father’s house.

“I guess the options are that someone took him against his will or foul play somewhere,” Hess said.

Bourque had similar fears.

“We’re one way in, one way out. Nobody is going to come to Vallecito looking for a little kid. There’s not even a playground here, there aren’t even that many kids here, and he wasn’t even living here. It doesn’t make any sense,” said Bourque, who has lived in the community for nine years.

I was told that Bourque wasn't a credible witness when I mentioned what she had said on the event page of the official FB page.

It is very hard to see this in any other light than control IMO

Why when your child is local would you not go out of your way to have visitation and bond with your child as it is a lot easier to maintain a relationship when you live each other.

But the ex wife and child move away and all of a sudden its important to see Dylan and force access and go though the courts .

I guess some people just don't have their priorities straight and think that it's more important to have a home, food, clothing, etc. when a child com es to visit than it is to make sure their time together is split 50-50. What good does it do to have him visit if you have to quit your job, lose your home, and what not in order to do it?

Does anyone know if MR or ER had family in far away states or countries? Or even close states? Just a thought. tia

I know MR has children in a different state, but I'm not touching that one for anything.

I hope i am allowed to say this .

I sadly do not think it will be solved

i think too much time passed before a full out search of the house happened and too much time on the Sunday night that anything could of happened between 8pm and Monday morning.

IMO

I really don't believe the search or anything that happened between 8pm and the following morning will affect the outcome at all. MOO

Do most on here think this case will eventually be solved? I'm just curious.

I think it's quite possible, but not likely in the way many here think it has to be. IMO

I hope you are right as Elaine and her family do not deserve this .

I don't think anybody deserves it.

NO, I agree that a pedophile could do this.

I was responding to a different scenario that I thought was being suggested. I was seeing suggestions that certain family members, were being accused, of taking and hiding him, so MR would be looked at as the suspect, and then kill himself.

I thought people were posting about it being MR who was hiding him. I'm totally confused once again.

I thought the fishiing pole was questionable. jmo

I never thought it was important, and I'm not so sure that he did either. I've seen it repeated about 100 times, or maybe more, but I've only seen him mention it once - and all he said about it was that it was missing and likely (I think) that he had it with him.

I guess what I keep getting stuck on is that we are dealing with a 13 year old boy. What they do rarely makes sense. Rarely what they do is logical. They go to bed one night, your darling, adorable little boy and come out one morning with your child's face and body but during that night, something happened, they become a totally different person than the one you knew and loved. It's teenagitis and it's scary. LOL

I think the scarier morph is around the age of 18, but outsiders seldom notice it. I thought my stepfather was nuts when I was 16 and he told me to stay in school for as long as I could, and then said, "You go to bed one night and you're 18 years old, and you wake up the next morning and you're 40." When I woke up one morning and I was 40, I finally realized what he meant. :what:

My first thought is, unlikely, but then I think about the recent case of the little Cleary brothers. Abducted by their father - they were found alive in a Texas motel thanks to someone seeing their Mother's appeal on CNN. I think it is imperative that the word is spread quickly when these things happen.

It always baffles me, though, how some people never watch the news. I remember in the Jessica Ridgeway case there were a few neighbors who didn't even know she was missing until police canvassed the neighborhoods. And I have a coworker who says she never watches the news :waitasec:

Then consider the actions of LE - their focus sure doesn't seem to suggest they believe the abduction theory. And if MR did harm Dylan, in that case I think it very well may never be solved. Just my :twocents:

I almost never watch the news (I NEVER say never!), but that's partially because I haven't had a television in ages, and have no sound on my computer.

He could be anywhere in that lake and Ive read it is deep. If it has a dam then it has currents and undertows. The body would not stay stationary. It would sink and then skirt along on the lake bottom and even get caught up in debris like tree stumps or be trapped in a large opening or crevis. How long did it take them to even search this lake? A body immediately sinks once all the air leaves the lungs and cold water drowning victims dont rise until spring when the water begins to warm.

My neighbor jumped into a lake near our home. There were witnesses that saw her go in and not come up. 911 was called and a search was immediately done including using water dogs in boats to detect human scent and this went on for over two months when the weather permitted (it happened at Christmastime). They absolutely knew she was in there but they never found her body.

IMO

When I was a teenager, a lot of people I knew would hang out at a small river, and one of the big things at the time was jumping in from a rope swing that was hanging from a big tree that leaned out about 10 feet from the shore. One afternoon some friends were swimming there and one guy/boy was along great swimmer and spent most of the summer hanging around there every year. He jumped off the rope and dived in, for probably the 10th time that day. Everybody was amazed at first by how long he was able to hold his breath, until they finally realized that he wasn't coming back up.

Several people jumped in and were diving to try to find him while others drove to town to get help (no cell phones back then). They finally gave up after almost 2 days of searching and finding nothing. The next day, his brother and cousin went there just to more or less say goodbye, and saw his body about 50 feet downstream. After the autopsy, it was said that he had hit a sandbar and broken his neck. The undercurrent had pushed his body downstream, and he had become tangled in some tree roots under water. When conditions changed just a bit, he was released from them and resurfaced. I can swim, but I don't unless I absolutely have to. I'm not really afraid of the water, but I have a healthy respect for it. No matter how peaceful it may look on the surface, you never really know all that may be going on under it. MOO

BBM

But what if you had to leave the house at 7:30 am anyway? And your kid wanted a ride somewhere the night before, but you negotiated with them, and said ' not tonight.' But I do have to go out tomorrow early, so I will take you then'? Does that sound like more of a possibility for you?

I never would have made that agreement myself. My boys would have been told that I'd take them when I got home the next day, but they'd better be ready to go once I get there.

He is asked to address Dylan.
But instead of saying to Dylan to contact his family if Dylan is able, he goes on how Dylan was the light of his life and how much Dylan meant to him. Does that sound like coming from someone who thinks his son is alive out there somewhere?

Is that going to help find Dylan? He isn't asking to Dylan contact anyone. And after that he goes into "He was the light of my life and he meant everything to me."

I don't remember him being asked to give him advice on what to do, just what he'd like to say to him.

Right, ' ",my prayers are with you. " That is what I post to people I have never met who are having health problems. ' My prayers are with you?...'

Does that sound like a father reaching out to his missing 13 yr old?

It's the kind of thing most of my family, immediate and extended, would say to a friend or relative who was going through a difficult time. MOO

 

[Tonto]

I suppose anything MR says or does, or does not say or do, at this point only convicts him<modsnipped>. Even though, of course, there are millions upon millions of equally as plausible explanations that more often trump the mere 'if it were me I would be handling it this way' anecdotes. Oh well, he does at least appear to be a litigious man, so he has that going for him.

 

[mmmagique]

And there are hundreds of explanations for how this came to be that doesn't implicate MR.

Really? I would love a list of hundreds of (reasonable) explanations.

(sbm)

 

[Allusonz]

"Mark Redwine told The Denver Post he hired a criminal lawyer to watch his back while he presses the search for his 13-year-old son, Dylan Redwine, who disappeared from the Pine River Valley two weeks ago."
Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012...g-two-weeks/UPI-85631354470782/#ixzz2Grx9a6pg

Other news articles just said that MR had consulted with a defense attorney. Both were after the extensive forensic search and interview.

The UPI article took the information from the Denver Post. The Denver Post did not state "to cover his back". That was the UPI's interpretation.

As per the UPI article:

"Mark Redwine told The Denver Post he hired a criminal lawyer to watch his back while he presses the search for his 13-year-old son, Dylan Redwine, who disappeared from the Pine River Valley two weeks ago

The Post said law enforcement officers were still searching forests in the area, checking scores of secluded cabins for any sign of the youth

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012...g-two-weeks/UPI-85631354470782/#ixzz2GsHDmAaS

 

[mmmagique]

iirc there are court records that back up allegations of substance abuse and that can be discussed.

iirc, there are court records where MR accuses ER (two years later) of drinking and driving with her kids. The judge orders her not to do that, and she agrees.

Imo, that is not proving substance abuse, that is proving MR waited two years to make an allegation of driving their children in an unsafe manner, and ER agreeing not to do that. (whether she ever did or not)

 

[NC Analyzer]

I suppose anything MR says or does, or does not say or do, at this point only convicts him in the eyes of the hyperaccusatory and quick to judge. Even though, of course, there are millions upon millions of equally as plausible explanations that more often trump the mere 'if it were me I would be handling it this way' anecdotes. Oh well, he does at least appear to be a litigious man, so he has that going for him.

Really? I'd like to see 10. :banghead:

 

[katydid23]

My apologies for the length of this, I even removed some of the quotes and it still looks like a dime store novel. :blushing


I thought people were posting about it being MR who was hiding him. I'm totally confused once again.

I think a few similar theories were floating around. Some had MR hiding him, some had ER doing so, to make MR look bad.

I don't remember him being asked to give him advice on what to do, just what he'd like to say to him.

Well, if you are speaking directly to your missing child, and you are thinking he is being held hostage, wouldn't giving him support and advice be a priority.

It's the kind of thing most of my family, immediate and extended, would say to a friend or relative who was going through a difficult time.

EXACTLY. A very generic, impersonal thing to say to an extended friend or relative, going through a bad time. NOT what an impassioned parent would say directly to his missing child, imo.

 

[LotusPawprint]

Phone? (but you have to be REALLY, REALLY quiet...) :floorlaugh:

AHHHHH........!!!! :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:


Now I know who was NICE and who was NAUGHTY !

 

[Tonto]

Really? I would love a list of hundreds of (reasonable) explanations.

(sbm)

There are 7 billion people on this planet. If anyone were to try to predict typical behavioral reactions of a parent of a missing child, he or she would be wrong about 7 billion times - give or take a few thousand of those predictions to mere chance alone. Think about this - someone was bothered enough about him grasping a pillow when he answered the door that it was discussed ad nauseum. That's a bit of a reach, no?

 

[nursebeeme]

iirc, there are court records where MR accuses ER (two years later) of drinking and driving with her kids. The judge orders her not to do that, and she agrees.

Imo, that is not proving substance abuse, that is proving MR waited two years to make an allegation of driving their children in an unsafe manner, and ER agreeing not to do that. (whether she ever did or not)

I did use the word allegations in my post that you responded to.

(and it would seem that most of the he said and she said are allegations to be fair)


eta: further more I was answering the question about what could be discussed about ER and the substance issues.

 

[Ada]

iirc, there are court records where MR accuses ER (two years later) of drinking and driving with her kids. The judge orders her not to do that, and she agrees.

Imo, that is not proving substance abuse, that is proving MR waited two years to make an allegation of driving their children in an unsafe manner, and ER agreeing not to do that. (whether she ever did or not)

Since none of us are allowed to drink and drive, with or without kids, that whole order doesn't mean a lot to me. It's like he was just throwing that out there to satisfy MR. If any of us walked up to a judge and asked if we could drink and drive with kids in our car, he'd probably say that it was not allowed. Don't need a court to tell us that.

 

[Allusonz]

He is asked to speak directly to Dylan--and he does not do that, imo. Instead he speaks of him as if he KNOWS he is dead, and in a way that is defensive about whether he loved him or not.

Based on this then that means ER and DH as well believe he is no longer alive as they have both spoke in the past tense regarding Dylan.

It is not simply MR that has.

 

[NC Analyzer]

There are 7 billion people on this planet. If anyone were to try to predict typical behavioral reactions of a parent of a missing child, he or she would be wrong about 7 billion times - give or take a few thousand of those predictions to mere chance alone. Think about this - someone was bothered enough about him grasping a pillow when he answered the door that it was discussed ad nauseum. That's a bit of a reach, no?

Not exactly true. Human behavior has been studied for centuries and is fairly predictable.

 

[mmmagique]

I think the judge's ruling makes it official. And I will agree with bolded above, but by the ame token we can only sleuth MR. jmo

http://www.9news.com/news/article/30...iolent-history

You believe the judge ordering someone not to do something means they for sure did do something?

 

[Ransom]

iirc, there are court records where MR accuses ER (two years later) of drinking and driving with her kids. The judge orders her not to do that, and she agrees.

Imo, that is not proving substance abuse, that is proving MR waited two years to make an allegation of driving their children in an unsafe manner, and ER agreeing not to do that. (whether she ever did or not)

That is not what happened, IMO. We went over this ages ago. MR brought up the charges of ER to NOT drink and drive with the minor children in the 2008 case as a substantive matter THEN. He didn't wait two years. He brought it up again to the court at the time in a different jurisdiction. JMO and by reviewing the records that were posted from 9 news.

 

[katydid23]

Based on this then that means ER and DH as well believe he is no longer alive as they have both spoke in the past tense regarding Dylan.

It is not simply MR that has.

They did not speak in the past tense, when asked to speak directly to him.

 

[jjenny]

...

I don't remember him being asked to give him advice on what to do, just what he'd like to say to him.
...

MOO

The reporter gave him an opportunity to address his child. What would you say in such a situation? Would you try to advice your child to do something that can help find him? Recent example: mother of two kids kidnapped by their father was begging these kids to call her telling them they could ask anyone for a phone to use.

 

[jjenny]

Based on this then that means ER and DH as well believe he is no longer alive as they have both spoke in the past tense regarding Dylan.

It is not simply MR that has.

Well, she did allude as to why she might think Dylan isn't necessarily alive.