CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #23

[cluciano63]

I think TES or other pro search groups would come to help if LE had a specific area that needed searching. But at this time of year, random searching is too dangerous.

In the case of Katelyn Markham, TES said they would return in spring of 2012 after the snow melted, not sure if they ever did, but they probably were not given any ideas as to where to search.

My thoughts are that, right or wrong, LE is looking at MR, which would kind of justify the silence from them. But of course they may have very good reason, if so, that we are not aware of. Or they could be making a big mistake. To me, suspecting MR and seeking evidence enough to charge is the only explanation for their total disengagement from the community on Dylan's case.

 

[absentia]

Dee,

There's only one road....

If you look up the address on google maps, you can see how isolated the area is....even though there are houses, most of them are vacation homes, I believe.

2343 County Road 500, Bayfield, CO

This is what makes this case so frustrating...:banghead:

if you follow the road north, it turns into a dirt road and then ends and turns into trails. one of which goes to the river that leads to the lake.

 

[Confusion]

I think TES or other pro search groups would come to help if LE had a specific area that needed searching. But at this time of year, random searching is too dangerous.

In the case of Katelyn Markham, TES said they would return in spring of 2012 after the snow melted, not sure if they ever did, but they probably were not given any ideas as to where to search.

My thought are that, right or wrong, LE is looking at MR, which would kind of justify the silence from them. But of course they may have very good reason, if so, that we are not aware of. Or they could be making a big mistake. To me, suspecting MR and seeking evidence enough to charge is the only explanation for their total disengagement from the community on Dylan's case.

I really hope they aren't focused only on him since there doesn't appear to be any evidence that he did anything. My thoughts are obviously a bit different than yours are. I feel like if you've been focused on only one option for 6 weeks or more, and can find absolutely nothing to support it other than that it seems the most likely, it might be time to consider another option too. If they have found something to support the option, then I really think someone somewhere there would have let something leak out by now. JMO

 

[Confusion]

if you follow the road north, it turns into a dirt road and then ends and turns into trails. one of which goes to the river that leads to the lake.

That's interesting. Everybody else, including locals, have said that's a dead-end road. Thanks.

 

[absentia]

http://www.wunderground.com/weather-forecast/US/CO/Vallecito.html

If I'm reading this right, there's 23" of snow on the ground and it's currently 7 degrees fahrenheit in Bayfield/Vallecito, CO.

yah, it's been frickin freezing (or well below, actually) in the front range, with lots of snow and low temps in the mtns. for 2 weeks now.

 

[absentia]

That's interesting. Everybody else, including locals, have said that's a dead-end road. Thanks.

technically it prob is a dead end. it looks like dirt roads that would be in a national forest campground. then trails off from there.

 

[Allusonz]

I am slightly confused.

I thought that ER and MR were divorced in 2007.

ER refers to it as "our" yard in the 2008 statement.

Were they still living in the same home together after the divorce? Does anyone know?

 

[cluciano63]

I really hope they aren't focused only on him since there doesn't appear to be any evidence that he did anything. My thoughts are obviously a bit different than yours are. I feel like if you've been focused on only one option for 6 weeks or more, and can find absolutely nothing to support it other than that it seems the most likely, it might be time to consider another option too. If they have found something to support the option, then I really think someone somewhere there would have let something leak out by now. JMO

But we don't know what they may have, much less what they can prove. LE has pretty much focused on Terri Horman for 2.5 years and still cannot make a case. They looked at other options, as I am sure LE is doing here. But often we see these cases languish due to not being able to prove their suspicions. I feel confident that with the FBI involved, they are also looking at ex-cons, offenders, etc.

They may have contradictory statements, pings where they shouldn't be, etc,..little things that are not enough to make an arrest. Or they may just have gut feelings. Either way, I think they continue to look at other options.

My fear is we will never know what happened to Dylan. This scenario is becoming more and more possible by the day.

 

[Dee10]

Actually, I believe many (not all) of the so-called leaks in cases are done on purpose as a strategy to make the suspect squirm. The problem is you don't know if you should believe "the source". I really do believe they are building a case & that is why they are silent. It is the only thing they makes sense IMO.

 

[absentia]

what is this in this picture of the map? It's north of MR's house, a ways up the river from where the road ends.
Is this a dam or water control mechanism of some sort?

[ame="http://maps.google.com/maps?q=2343+County+Road+500,+Bayfield,+CO&hl=en&ll=37.484057,-107.539389&spn=0.000575,0.001206&sll=37.484089,-107.539138&sspn=0.000575,0.001206&t=h&hnear=2343+County+Road+500,+Bayfield,+La+Plata,+Colorado+81122&z=20"]2343 County Road 500, Bayfield, CO - Google Maps[/ame]


(sorry I forgot the link)

 

[Cardinal47]

I decided to take a little break and regroup. Seems we are chewing on the same bone.

I was thinking is it time our United States of America forms some kind of specialists that can come into an area where a child is missing with all the knowledge it takes to undertake that kind of investigation?

A small police force that has never had a child abduction before has to be overwhelmed by all of this.

I have no inside knowledge of how this LE operates but I can kind of guess. They probably have their drunk drivings and domestic cases. So this missing Dylan is way out of their league.

Each of these cases are so very unique in their circumstances. Perhaps we need specialists to handle each of them.

RE Tim Miller the family has to request them and LE has to ok them. Remember too that TM can't be everywhere. Can you imagine the number of requests he must receive each week?

When our children go missing just who can we count on to find them? And how are we supposed to act? How can one of us working and taking care of our families all of a sudden appear on the NG show?

This Missing Dylan needs a hero!

 

[absentia]

Somebody please answer this. Does mental illness, without being addressed, keep getting worse?
I'm wondering, if MR has been mentally Ill for years and undiagnosed. I'm not saying he was or is, just undiagnosed, does it get worse?

very likely it gets worse. the process of aging combined with the ill effects of mental illness, and attempting to self medicate, on the person's life, body and situation/relationships if untreated almost always gets worse.

 

[Confusion]

But we don't know what they may have, much less what they can prove. LE has pretty much focused on Terri Horman for 2.5 years and still cannot make a case. They looked at other options, as I am sure LE is doing here. But often we see these cases languish due to not being able to prove their suspicions. I feel confident that with the FBI involved, they are also looking at ex-cons, offenders, etc.

They may have contradictory statements, pings where they shouldn't be, etc,..little things that are not enough to make an arrest. Or they may just have gut feelings. Either way, I think they continue to look at other options.

My fear is we will never know what happened to Dylan. This scenario is becoming more and more possible by the day.

I would hope they wouldn't be basing their investigation on where they were when the texts were sent, the fact that two people disagree about something or gut feelings. Then again, who really knows what will solve a case? MOO

OT I know, but I haven't read much about that case. Has LE actually said they've been focused on Terri Horman, or is it just the general consensus like MR is here? TIA

 

[absentia]

Can I mention something I saw in ER's statement? Not sleuthing but something odd.

please?

 

[Allusonz]

i got it. :floorlaugh:

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

OMG this was cute.

My laptop on the other hand needs help now.

 

[Confusion]

very likely it gets worse. the process of aging combined with the ill effects of mental illness, and attempting to self medicate, on the person's life, body and situation/relationships if untreated almost always gets worse.

Are you verified in that field, or do you have a link to that information? It doesn't really sound like what my doctor, or any of the doctors treating other people I know say. I'm always interested in learning about new research, treatments, etc.

TIA

 

[cluciano63]

I would hope they wouldn't be basing their investigation on where they were when the texts were sent, the fact that two people disagree about something or gut feelings. Then again, who really knows what will solve a case? MOO

OT I know, but I haven't read much about that case. Has LE actually said they've been focused on Terri Horman, or is it just the general consensus like MR is here? TIA

LE in Kyron's case have indicated at various times that TH has been a focus of the case. I am not convinced myself, but who knows? No one, apparently.

What I meant about pings was if they have some pings, for example, from MR's phone that don't match where he first said he was, something like that, and it was just an example. It would not be enough to bring charges, that was my point. Maybe his story changed, we would not know that either.

Anyway, my main point is still that unless they suspect MR, I do not understand the wall of silence. It is a huge deal, a child vanishing from a tiny town and yet they have not a word to say. I am we'll aware that they don't have to, but this is a child, and I just disagree with the handling of the case, unless they have a suspect.

 

[NC Analyzer]

But we don't know what they may have, much less what they can prove. LE has pretty much focused on Terri Horman for 2.5 years and still cannot make a case. They looked at other options, as I am sure LE is doing here. But often we see these cases languish due to not being able to prove their suspicions. I feel confident that with the FBI involved, they are also looking at ex-cons, offenders, etc.

They may have contradictory statements, pings where they shouldn't be, etc,..little things that are not enough to make an arrest. Or they may just have gut feelings. Either way, I think they continue to look at other options.

My fear is we will never know what happened to Dylan. This scenario is becoming more and more possible by the day.

**sigh**
It seems as if we picked another one of "those" cases. I have heard of this type situation being called the Casey Anthony effect...as in, prosecutors are very hesitant to take a case to trial these days after what happened in Florida. Public perception has drastically changed with the introduction of forensic/crime tv shows. People think they need "absolute" proof beyond any doubts in order to convict these days. I really think it would be in the best interest of jurors if judges started explaining the difference between "reasonable doubt" and no doubt/proof positive (which rarely exists). To bring a guilty/not guilty verdict, one only needs to understand "reasonable" doubt...as in, what would a reasonable person do, given the same circumstances. Nothing is 100% certain; we can only determine what would be reasonable to believe under the circumstances.
In other words, if we have to give someone a 100 excuses, explanations and reasons to make the facts fit the circumstances it isn't "reasonable". JMO

 

[Dee10]

Also in the Horman case, they pretty well had daily press conferences for several weeks IIRC then maybe a couple times or at least once a week for quite awhile. Very different from this case.

 

[Dee10]

**sigh**
It seems as if we picked another one of "those" cases. I have heard of this type situation being called the Casey Anthony effect...as in, prosecutors are very hesitant to take a case to trial these days after what happened in Florida. Public perception has drastically changed with the introduction of forensic/crime tv shows. People think they need "absolute" proof beyond any doubts in order to convict these days. I really think it would be in the best interest of jurors if judges started explaining the difference between "reasonable doubt" and no doubt/proof positive (which rarely exists). To bring a guilty/not guilty verdict, one only needs to understand "reasonable" doubt...as in, what would a reasonable person do, given the same circumstances. Nothing is 100% certain; we can only determine what would be reasonable to believe under the circumstances.
In other words, if we have to give someone a 100 excuses, explanations and reasons to make the facts fit the circumstances it isn't "reasonable". JMO

I agree 110% & I believe the justice system is going to be in trouble until they do.