CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #23

[LotusPawprint]

Maybe MR can join WS? I'm sure that would go well.

:floorlaugh::great::floorlaugh: With all the rapid-fire questions that we would throw at him it would be likely having 50 ex-wives in the same room & the FBI interview would seem like a walk-in-the-park.

:floorlaugh: "WS -- making FBI interrogations feel like cake-walks since 2005" (or whenever WS was founded)

 

[basilcat]

I may be totally wrong ... but maybe not..
In my opinion (only), I believe that Dylan accidentally hitchhiked at the wrong time...
I think that the whole fact that he didn't arrive Saturday night (as per the original plan) threw off the whole visit...I think that his Dad wanted to spend the first night with him - be cause the flight was delayed this was pushed to Sunday. Dylan's friends probably still expected him then..but this would mean that his dad wouldn't have been able to spend the "first" night with him - which, as a dad, would have been important to him..
I think Dylan, being a teenager, believed that he would get up early to catch a drive with his dad to see his friends but, also being a teenager, just needed the extra sleep to catch up..
I think that when he did wake up he was impatient to meet his friends and decided to "get there on his own"...
My son is 17...when his cell phone dies ...he just continues to act - he has never used a landline to explain where he is going or why - he just assumes he will get where he is going...like we all used to do before there were cell phones. When one is young one feels indomitable.
Sadly I think this is a case of "the wrong place at the wrong time>"
I have nothing to back this up...just an inherent belief that the dad is telling the truth. I hope that I am right... Mostly I hope that Dylan is ok- and if not I have a true belief that he is resting with angels..

 

[vasportsmom]

Maybe MR can join WS? I'm sure that would go well.

:floorlaugh::great::floorlaugh: With all the rapid-fire questions that we would throw at him it would be likely having 50 ex-wives in the same room & the FBI interview would seem like a walk-in-the-park.

LMAO, so true. We can be like a pack of wolves when we get ahold of a new bit of information. Poor MR would probably run away screaming for the FBI to take over the questioning. I felt bad for Az when she "came out" but the mayhem that met MR (or even ER) would make her experience look like a fun day at the beach.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I mentioned the pings a few threads back and someone corrected me (suffer from CRS sometimes) that it was never reported as pings, it was reported the last time it was used.
I think there is a difference but I'm not real sure.

Yes, agree it was last time used. I've never heard anything about possible pings. That is what I would like to know. I've heard that Elaine said Dylan's phone didn't have GPS but it is my understanding that his phone would still 'ping' off cell phone towers. This is different from giving an exact GPS coordinate but at least it would be something. It would give a general area of where he was. Same with MR's phone. I'm sure LE has already looked into this, it's just something I wish they would share! Fat chance right?

 

[GGE]

<snip>
D) the football...the football story I cannot figure out yet.

"see what a good, normal dad I am?"

NOTE: I am just playing devil's advocate here by responding to this, you know - keeping conversation moving along -- NOT saying it's what I believe to be the case.

 

[asyousay]

How do we now that MR has not joined and is not monitoring this thread ?

When you do a few searches this place does come up in mention of Dylan so it would not be that surprising to me that none of the family have come on here to look .


IMHO

 

[vasportsmom]

My understanding (and that may not be saying much) is that pings refer to the signal bouncing off of a tower and that they aren't extremely useful without the ability to triangulate them. That obviously requires 3 towers and that may not always be an option in rural areas.

 

[azgrandma]

SBM

LOL, I noticed something the other nights about referer links so we could invite people but I think I'm going to pass.

I love having Az post with us but sometimes I struggle when people closely tied to the case are posting on the thread. It is so hard to say "I think your loved one is probably dead and maybe we should search X for the body". Censoring our thoughts really serves no useful purpose but at the same time who wants to be responsible for shattering the hopes of a fellow poster? KWIM?

vasportsmom, I appreciate you feeling that way, but please do not hold back on my account or censor your postings. There's not a single thing that you all can say on here that I haven't said to myself. That includes looking at every single possible rational and irrational explanation, scenario, and you name it.

I enjoy the honesty that you all share and have learned a great deal.

 

[GGE]

I may be totally wrong ... but maybe not..
In my opinion (only), I believe that Dylan accidentally hitchhiked at the wrong time...
I think that the whole fact that he didn't arrive Saturday night (as per the original plan) threw off the whole visit...I think that his Dad wanted to spend the first night with him - be cause the flight was delayed this was pushed to Sunday. Dylan's friends probably still expected him then..but this would mean that his dad wouldn't have been able to spend the "first" night with him - which, as a dad, would have been important to him..
I think Dylan, being a teenager, believed that he would get up early to catch a drive with his dad to see his friends but, also being a teenager, just needed the extra sleep to catch up..
I think that when he did wake up he was impatient to meet his friends and decided to "get there on his own"...
My son is 17...when his cell phone dies ...he just continues to act - he has never used a landline to explain where he is going or why - he just assumes he will get where he is going...like we all used to do before there were cell phones. When one is young one feels indomitable.
Sadly I think this is a case of "the wrong place at the wrong time>"
I have nothing to back this up...just an inherent belief that the dad is telling the truth. I hope that I am right... Mostly I hope that Dylan is ok- and if not I have a true belief that he is resting with angels..

Thank you for taking the time to type all that out. It is exactly what i would've typed if I had decided to share my own gut instinct on this case.

I've always thought that either he hitchhiked and something terrible happened to him, or he wrecked a bike in the mountains/ near the reservoir/ on the way to Bayfield (were any missing from anyplace or reported missing that day nearby I wonder?).. I keep wondering if all of the possible bike trails between Durango and Bayfield have been really thoroughly checked.. or if they HAD been, before the snow started..

eta: it would be nice of them to go ahead and print a list of items believed to be in his backpack. That way, if he had a fall off a bike and his bag fell some distance and broke open and clothing scattered about somewhere, people might have half a chance of realizing they were looking at Dylan's belongings and would then call someone in to search the nearby terrain.

 

[vasportsmom]

How do we now that MR has not joined and is not monitoring this thread ?

When you do a few searches this place does come up in mention of Dylan so it would not be that surprising to me that none of the family have come on here to look .


IMHO

You could be right and none of us would likely have any idea but monitoring the thread is a big step from participating in it. IMO, MR would be crazy to read here and then decide to sign up and out himself. This thread isn't likely to give him a warm, fuzzy feeling.

 

[LotusPawprint]

How do we now that MR has not joined and is not monitoring this thread ?

When you do a few searches this place does come up in mention of Dylan so it would not be that surprising to me that none of the family have come on here to look .


IMHO

Good point. We have no idea. It would be great to have family or locals join. In this case only AZG can speak to what it's like being a family member amongst all of us WS'ers. I guess I assumed MR hasn't monitored because he doesn't seem to use his internet much... computer didn't seem to be available to Dylan, he didn't seem to have FB or know about the vigil for Dylan, etc. Who knows? I'm sure stranger things have happened.

 

[Confusion]

re: pings...i never understood them but after the discussion of edgemont i thought i'd take a looksee.

IMO, the phone last pinged at that picnic area. and that's why they chose it as a meeting ground (and as per all9ofus's local expertise that this was the best possible locale for 300 people). my guess, my theory, my assumption only...based on the following, snipped and BBM:

http://pursuitmag.com/locating-mobile-phones-through-pinging-and-triangulation/

"With the older style analog cellular phones and digital mobile phones that are not GPS capable the cellular network provider can determine where the phone is to within a hundred feet or so using &#8220;triangulation&#8221; because at any one time, the phone is usually able to communicate with more than one of the aerial arrays provided by the phone network. The cell towers are typically 6 to 12 miles apart (less in cities) and a phone is usually within range of at least three of them. By comparing the signal strength and time lag for the phone&#8217;s carrier signal to reach at each tower, the network provider can triangulate the phone&#8217;s approximate position."

now, look at a map of the three closest towers to where florida road and 234 intersect:

http://www.cellreception.com/towers/towers.php?city=durango&state_abr=co

(sba II, winton, towerco) it's a near-perfect triangulation of where, possibly, his last text to RN pinged from. while the phone was still on.

just my opinion and thought.

I've been trying to avoid talking about phones pinging, etc. because I know I'll get a lot of flack for what I say, but I wanted to try to clear things up a bit for those who don't know/understand what a ping is and how that and triangulation works. GPS is a totally different concept, and I know little about it, but I don't believe DR's phone had it anyway.

When a phone "pings" it sends out a short signal which is read at the nearest tower. The tower then sends another signal back to the phone that lets the phone know there is service available and makes the tower aware that the phone is trying to access it. Most phones send a signal out every few minutes as long as there is reception. Signals will be sent out almost continuously if there is no service in the area because it will be repeated until it gets a response from a tower. That's the main reason why a lot of people turn their phones off when not in use in that kind of area.

If there isn't a tower close enough, the ping won't be completed/recorded. If no tower has received the signal from the phone, there's no way to know that one was ever sent (other than by looking at the no service message on the phone). To triangulate the signal, it has to be received by 3 different towers. By looking at the strength of the signal from each of them, it's possible to locate the area of the phone within about 100 yards.

The problem with triangulation is that it can be done in retrospect; you can measure the signals as they're happening and compare them, but you can't go back and see the strength of signals sent earlier. Likewise, if the phone is dead, it can't send out any signal to be received. Pings are normally used to determine if service is available if needed. If the phone is turned off, no signal is sent; if the battery is dead, no signal is sent; if a tower is too far away, no signal is received. If the phone constantly pinged when turned off, like it does when turned on, it would drain the battery very quickly in areas with limited service.

Many phones do have a second small power cell that will supply enough power to send a signal out at certain intervals even if the phone is turned off or the main battery is dead. This will allow the phone to be tracked if it is lost or stolen, even if it is turned off or has a dead battery. I believe the GPS systems also use a separate power source, but I don't know much about that. Unlike GPS, the only way a phone without it can be "tracked" from past information is if the phone has been used. Once a call is made, or attempted, there will be some record of a connection to a tower. It would be impossible for any company to store information about a couple hundred pings a minute for millions (or even thousands) of phones hitting the towers with signals. I hope this helps at least one person.
I guess I should add a IMO or something so I'm not claiming to be an expert on cell phones! So, MOO, JMO, IMO...

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

How do we now that MR has not joined and is not monitoring this thread ?

When you do a few searches this place does come up in mention of Dylan so it would not be that surprising to me that none of the family have come on here to look .


IMHO

I'm sure they have. I don't know how much of a computer person MR is but I think it's likely that some friends/family have stumbled across good ole Websleuth's. They are welcome to join us

I don't know if MR would be treated fairly here. I think many have already formed opinions. But I would love to have him clear up some questions many of us have had.

 

[GGE]

I think the football story may have been an attempt to show Dylan was not mad him about going to his friend's house that evening.

I feel like a jerk for even thinking this, but .. this is NOT my own belief.. again, just throwing it out there.. but maybe it was so that if dylan was found soon enough after his disappearance to be able to determine that he had a black eye or something, there would be the alibi of "oh yeah, he missed the ball when we were playing football, I totally forgot about that in light of all that's happened."

NOT what I personally believe but... who knows anymore what goes on in people's minds??

 

[asyousay]

You could be right and none of us would likely have any idea but monitoring the thread is a big step from participating in it. IMO, MR would be crazy to read here and then decide to sign up and out himself. This thread isn't likely to give him a warm, fuzzy feeling.

Oh , i do not think he would ever join but i just think its likely that one of the family may of come on here. Just because it seems like such a well known site and it comes up if you google Dylan in some searches .

 

[azgrandma]

How do we now that MR has not joined and is not monitoring this thread ?

When you do a few searches this place does come up in mention of Dylan so it would not be that surprising to me that none of the family have come on here to look .


IMHO

You are correct, anyone can join.

 

[Confusion]

I'm sure they have. I don't know how much of a computer person MR is but I think it's likely that some friends/family have stumbled across good ole Websleuth's. They are welcome to join us

I don't know if MR would be treated fairly here. I think many have already formed opinions. But I would love to have him clear up some questions many of us have had.

It would be a big problem if he were to join since we aren't allowed to sleuth other members. What would we all talk about? :shush:

 

[imamaze]

How do we now that MR has not joined and is not monitoring this thread ?

When you do a few searches this place does come up in mention of Dylan so it would not be that surprising to me that none of the family have come on here to look .


IMHO

He wouldn't have to join in order to monitor the threads, he would have to join if he wants to post and I doubt that will happen, lol.

 

[vasportsmom]

vasportsmom, I appreciate you feeling that way, but please do not hold back on my account or censor your postings. There's not a single thing that you all can say on here that I haven't said to myself. That includes looking at every single possible rational and irrational explanation, scenario, and you name it.

I enjoy the honesty that you all share and have learned a great deal.

You make it really easy to post honestly and uncensored because it is clear that you know what the "worst case scenario" is and have accepted that as a possible outcome. You only want a resolution and are here to help find it, even if it is difficult for you and your kids to hear.

There are other threads where it is obvious that the family member isn't ready to consider that their loved one could be dead or that someone they love just as much could be responsible. Those are the threads I struggle with. You want to help but are you really helping by shoving hard "truths" in their face before they're ready? Are you helping by censoring your thoughts and letting them hold on to their hope even if it seems unrealistic? I hate those hard decisions because I honestly believe we are all here for the right reasons and none of us want to hurt another poster in any way, especially a fellow poster that is living a nightmare anyway.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

If MR or any of his family, friends or acquaintances are lurking, I sure wish they would speak up! If nothing else to clear up some questions many have had. Perhaps they could shed some light and sway some opinions. We aren't getting a darned thing from LE!!