CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #23

[Confusion]

Being capable of hurting a child is not equal to being capable of murdering the child. Did he ever come close to murdering one of his other kids? Has any of his other kids ever gone missing, where it turned out that he was responsible?

I know the argument is going to be that his temper got out of hand, or he didn't intend to hurt him so badly and yada, yada, but... I can't understand the basis for two ex-wives saying he is capable of murdering, or even hurting a child severely, if he's never done it before.

Is there any record anywhere of one of his kids having to seek medical attention because of him hurting them severely enough that it could have caused death??

It sounds to me like one of his kids beat him so severely at one time that HE needed medical attention. And I don't care about hearing the justifications of it, but the records, IIRC, shows that HE didn't hurt his son, his son hurt HIM, enough to render him unconscious. Doesn't sound too much to me like HE is the one with murderous tendencies. JMO.

I agree completely. If anything, I would think it would be more likely with his first child when he was young and reckless, like most of us were at that age, than it would be with his fifth child when he is older and supposedly more settled (I know not all people are even past retirement, so I am making an assumption there).

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

How is a Nerf ball going to give anybody a black eye?

A nerf football does have some weight to it. I do think it's possible if someone threw it hard enough and hit you right in the eye. Maybe not a mini nerf football but the big ones possibly.

I thought that was a good possible explanation for the football story.

 

[TxLady2]

In my experience, it takes quite a bit of weight to cause a black eye. I don't think even a bigger one could do it, unless a big hand was pounding someone with a nerf ball, and in that case it would be the hand, not the ball, that caused the black eye, I think. That's why they were invented so that smaller children could throw them around and not get hurt or break things.

 

[Confusion]

A nerf football does have some weight to it. I do think it's possible if someone threw it hard enough and hit you right in the eye. Maybe not a mini nerf football but the big ones possibly.

I thought that was a good possible explanation for the football story.

It probably is possible if the end hit you in a sensitive spot. I know I was riding on a motorcycle one night and a June bug hit my forehead; it almost knocked me out. My birds each weigh about an ounce, and I'm sure that even the smallest far outweighs a June bug. Most nerf footballs weigh closer to 3/4 pound, I believe.

 

[DylansMom34]

So because MR has older sons who managed to grow up to adulthood without disappearing (or worse), that someone else must be responsible for what happened to Dylan?

And you think its more likely that Dylan's brother did it?

Just wanting to see if I'm understanding...

 

[Confusion]

In my experience, it takes quite a bit of weight to cause a black eye. I don't think even a bigger one could do it, unless a big hand was pounding someone with a nerf ball, and in that case it would be the hand, not the ball, that caused the black eye, I think. That's why they were invented so that smaller children could throw them around and not get hurt or break things.

Now you have me trying to think again. I'm not sure how that'll go twice in one night. When I read this, I realized that even though getting hit by the bug hurt and did make me feel light-headed, it didn't leave a bruise.

 

[Confusion]

So because MR has older sons who managed to grow up to adulthood without disappearing (or worse), that someone else must be responsible for what happened to Dylan?

And you think its more likely that Dylan's brother did it?

Just wanting to see if I'm understanding...

Who are you asking?

 

[absentia]

All I will say on the matter of the silence by LE is that if they think Dylan was abducted by a non-family member, then they are behaving in a very irresponsible and unprofessional manner, IMO.

I have great respect in LE and do not believe they are irresponsible or unprofessional.

I agree. and if they thought it was a stranger abduction, it would matter where DR went missing from and they would tell the public. we would know if he ever made it to MR's house Sunday night or not. IF it were a stranger abduction - including a hitch-hiking went wrong.

 

[nursebeeme]

So because MR has older sons who managed to grow up to adulthood without disappearing (or worse), that someone else must be responsible for what happened to Dylan?

And you think its more likely that Dylan's brother did it?

Just wanting to see if I'm understanding...

the way I took it is that he has not been violent towards his children in the past but he did report violence visited on his own person.


per the what the media has been able to dig up that is.

 

[Confusion]

I agree. and if they thought it was a stranger abduction, it would matter where DR went missing from and they would tell the public. we would know if he ever made it to MR's house Sunday night or not. IF it were a stranger abduction - including a hitch-hiking went wrong.

You're saying that this is always done that way?

 

[DylansMom34]

Who are you asking?

TxLady.

She said something about murderous tendencies, so I am curious about that...

 

[vasportsmom]

A nerf football does have some weight to it. I do think it's possible if someone threw it hard enough and hit you right in the eye. Maybe not a mini nerf football but the big ones possibly.

I thought that was a good possible explanation for the football story.

I bruise easily so it may not be relevant but I have been bruised more than once after being hit by wet Nerf balls. They are foam but they do have some weight to them and a lot of them have a very defined end on them.

The introduction of the football to cover a injury/black eye 'theory' might be unlikely but I agree that is plausible.

 

[Confusion]

TxLady.

She said something about murderous tendencies, so I am curious about that...

My understanding of what she was saying is that he never hurt one of his children even when being beaten by one of them. I'm sure she'll let you know if I misunderstood.

ETA: Thanks for the quick response.

 

[GGE]

How is a Nerf ball going to give anybody a black eye?

Hadn't realized it was Nerf prior to making that comment. I should've gone back and deleted it once I realized, but I got sidetracked at home making dinner for the kids & husband and now it's probably too late.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

In my experience, it takes quite a bit of weight to cause a black eye. I don't think even a bigger one could do it, unless a big hand was pounding someone with a nerf ball, and in that case it would be the hand, not the ball, that caused the black eye, I think. That's why they were invented so that smaller children could throw them around and not get hurt or break things.

well I remember it hurting my hands when my brothers would launch a good rocket. But I guess it's pointless to debate.

 

[DylansMom34]

My understanding of what she was saying is that he never hurt one of his children even when being beaten by one of them. I'm sure she'll let you know if I misunderstood.

ETA: Thanks for the quick response.

Thanks for the clarification. I thought there was something almost in the lines of an allegation against CR in what happened to Dylan. Glad I misunderstood.

 

[Cardinal47]

Sometimes I feel like a broken record when I compare/contrast this to Jessica's but that's what brought me to WS and it's a story that will stay with me for a long, long time.

I know the two stories are very different but nonetheless I get frustrated that Dylan isn't get more press, wondering if that would help. I know the circumstances are different, but still.

I'm not sure if the initial suggestion that he might've been a runaway hurt. I'm not sure if the age difference (10 v. 13) or gender difference had an impact.

Clearly LE was able to rule out both of Jessica's (divorced) parents relatively quickly and determined there was a dangerous predator living in the community. LE was able to release information to the public asking for help, alerted the public to be on the lookout, and were running a very well-oiled operation for everyone to see.


We don't know what's going on behind the scenes here. But we do have a child who went missing - whose backpack and cell phone have vanished without a trace. In Jessica's case, her backpack was left within a couple of days nearby her home, out as a taunt. Crime scenes were found and the wooden cross was soon discovered.

I suppose it's frustration but why is Dylan's disappearance and his stuff being wiped off the face of the earth not more of a complete, full on crisis, where every possible resource is being mobilized whereas in Jessica's case everything was used when her backpack was disposed of in the middle of the road? I'm fairly certain LE is operating this way for a reason, I just don't understand and that's frustrating and heartbreaking.

Also, that is why I'm sitting here and not working the case as a LE agent. So I guess I'm in the right place! I wish I could do more for Dylan

Honestly I believe this is the way both of Dylans parents want things done.

I have thought about this quite a bit. Neither are making statements, calling press conferences or appearing on national tv. Both are maintaining a low profile.

For some reason this is their way of handling their sons disappearance.

MOO

 

[vasportsmom]

Hadn't realized it was Nerf prior to making that comment. I should've gone back and deleted it once I realized, but I got sidetracked at home making dinner for the kids & husband and now it's probably too late.

Your post was fine IMO. Nerf or not it isn't impossible that the story was introduced to cover an injury. It wouldn't even have to be directly related to the ball. He tripped while running to catch a wild throw or anything could suddenly be added. It is a good theory and one I hadn't considered before.

 

[mijamawi]

Um if MR murdered Dylan in a violent fit of rage, I would think Dylan having a black eye would be the least of his worries, no? JMO

 

[scorekeeper]

My understanding of what she was saying is that he never hurt one of his children even when being beaten by one of them. I'm sure she'll let you know if I misunderstood.

ETA: Thanks for the quick response.

•In another protective order request, Mark claims he was victimized later that same day. "I was attacked and beaten then left for hours until I woke up," he wrote.

•For the next two years, the couple went through divorce proceedings. In 2008, mom, Elaine Redwine, claimed she had a confrontation with her ex-husband Mark in the early hours of July 4. She wrote, "He was very drunk and grabbed me and took a swing at his son." She said Dylan reacted and hit Mark.

http://www.9news.com/rss/story.aspx?storyid=303598

This man took a swing at his 9 year old son for goodness sake.

Oh, and Mark was having sex with another woman on the lawn.