CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #23

[The Cheese]

I guess the case that came to mind was Isabelle Celis.

They brought in everything on that case - Team Adam, BAU. They had to have a CARD team. That poor baby. I hope they find her.

 

[Confusion]

They brought in everything on that case - Team Adam, BAU. They had to have a CARD team. That poor baby. I hope they find her.

I'm guessing that CARD is an acronym. If so, what does it stand for? TIA

 

[mmmagique]

Not just you or this thread, but I've seen a lot of posters express this thought throughout WS and I don't think I've ever seen it happen. Just wishful thinking. :twocents:

Susan Smith? Or was that just so much LE pressure, she cracked?

 

[The Cheese]

I'm guessing that CARD is an acronym. If so, what does it stand for? TIA

Child Abduction Rapid Deployment

 

[mmmagique]

Are you verified in that field, or do you have a link to that information? It doesn't really sound like what my doctor, or any of the doctors treating other people I know say. I'm always interested in learning about new research, treatments, etc.

TIA

While approximately 80 percent of all people in the U.S. with a mental disorder eventually seek treatment, there are public health implications from such long delays in treatment. Untreated psychiatric disorders can lead to more frequent and more severe episodes, and are more likely to become resistant to treatment. In addition, early-onset mental disorders that are left untreated are associated with school failure, teenage childbearing, unstable employment, early marriage, and marital instability and violence.

"The pattern appears to be that the earlier in life the disorder begins, the slower an individual is to seek therapy, and the more persistent the illness," said Dr. Kessler, a professor of health care policy at Harvard Medical School. "It's unfortunate that those who most need treatment are the least likely to get it."

Treating cases early could prevent enormous disability, before the illness becomes more severe, and before co-occurring mental illnesses develop, which only become more difficult to treat as they accumulate, according to the researchers."

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/science-news/2005/mental-illness-exacts-heavy-toll-beginning-in-youth.shtml

 

[Salem]

HEY!!!!! You were asked to stop with the front yard conversation hours ago. What the Heck! Knock it off. It has been discussed and now it is just bickering. STOP!

Salem

 

[marlywings]

Bumping up Salem's post from earlier in the thread...

Following up on Nurse's post above - let's move on from the front yard. This is not a contest to see who is the better parent. It is a discussion thread for trying to find Dylan. Let's get back to that, okay, and stop poking at each other. It just isn't necessary.

Thanks,

Salem

 

[PaulR]

HEY!!!!! You were asked to stop with the front yard conversation hours ago. What the Heck! Knock it off. It has been discussed and now it is just bickering. STOP!

Salem

My apologies, Salem. (And yes I want to apologize for this publicly.)

 

[mmmagique]

HEY!!!!! You were asked to stop with the front yard conversation hours ago. What the Heck! Knock it off. It has been discussed and now it is just bickering. STOP!

Salem

Sorry. I tend to begin from where I left off, and if there's something interesting that has been discussed, answer it. It wasn't until AFTER I had answered several posts that I saw the mod warning.

 

[cluciano63]

Browsing the "Missing, not forgotten" section here on WS makes one realize how many people are just never found. Where are they all?

 

[Confusion]

While approximately 80 percent of all people in the U.S. with a mental disorder eventually seek treatment, there are public health implications from such long delays in treatment. Untreated psychiatric disorders can lead to more frequent and more severe episodes, and are more likely to become resistant to treatment. In addition, early-onset mental disorders that are left untreated are associated with school failure, teenage childbearing, unstable employment, early marriage, and marital instability and violence.

"The pattern appears to be that the earlier in life the disorder begins, the slower an individual is to seek therapy, and the more persistent the illness," said Dr. Kessler, a professor of health care policy at Harvard Medical School. "It's unfortunate that those who most need treatment are the least likely to get it."

Treating cases early could prevent enormous disability, before the illness becomes more severe, and before co-occurring mental illnesses develop, which only become more difficult to treat as they accumulate, according to the researchers."

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/science-news/2005/mental-illness-exacts-heavy-toll-beginning-in-youth.shtml

Thanks. I guess it isn't really any new info, just more statistics. I still believe that any time there is less than a 100% chance of something applying to a person, there is always a chance that it doesn't apply to the person you're trying to apply it to. Obviously MOO since it probably only makes sense to me.

From that same link:

The survey found that in the U.S., mental disorders are quite common; 26 percent of the general population reported that they had symptoms sufficient for diagnosing a mental disorder during the past 12 months. However, many of these cases are mild or will resolve without formal interventions.

In addition to the fact that less than 100% of mentally ill people will get worse over time if not treated, I haven't seen anything anywhere that has stated that MR is, or ever was, mentally ill.

*The last comment wasn't for you, it was for whoever it was I had quoted in the post you quoted here.

 

[mmmagique]

Questions I would like to ask MR

1. Did Dylan mention a problem with his phone to you?
2. How did you happen to notice the missing fishing pole?
3. Do you have life insurance on Dylan?
4. What did LE remove from your residence?
5. Did you take a polygraph test?
If the answer to that is yes
6. What were the results?
7. Did Dylan do or say anything unusual the night you were together?

 

[mmmagique]

I would also be interested in both parents' logic of keeping everything hush hush as far as speaking to the media is concerned. I do understand being a bit gun-shy after dealing with Nancy Grace, but doing a sit down with a morning show or Dr. Phil would get Dylan's face SEEN! And if he's hidden away somewhere, getting his face seen is the most important thing. I just don't understand this silence...from all sides.

 

[JustCryssy]

Browsing the "Missing, not forgotten" section here on WS makes one realize how many people are just never found. Where are they all?

:ufo:

 

[JustJeannie]

**sigh**
It seems as if we picked another one of "those" cases. I have heard of this type situation being called the Casey Anthony effect...as in, prosecutors are very hesitant to take a case to trial these days after what happened in Florida. Public perception has drastically changed with the introduction of forensic/crime tv shows. People think they need "absolute" proof beyond any doubts in order to convict these days. I really think it would be in the best interest of jurors if judges started explaining the difference between "reasonable doubt" and no doubt/proof positive (which rarely exists). To bring a guilty/not guilty verdict, one only needs to understand "reasonable" doubt...as in, what would a reasonable person do, given the same circumstances. Nothing is 100% certain; we can only determine what would be reasonable to believe under the circumstances.
In other words, if we have to give someone a 100 excuses, explanations and reasons to make the facts fit the circumstances it isn't "reasonable". JMO

To my understanding, judges do tell the jury in their instructions that you do not need absolute proof - that the evidence presented convinces you beyond a reasonable doubt (which is also sometimes referred to as "to a moral certainty") that the person is guilty. They are also told that they can only consider the evidence that was presented at trial. A juror can think that someone may be guilty, but if there is anything in their mind that gives them reasonable doubt, they have to vote not guilty.

The problem is that the definition of the word "reasonable" is going to vary from person to person. What I consider reasonable, you may not. What you consider reasonable, I may not. So the prosecution needs a good case - good enough to convince us both that there are no reasonable doubts.

The system is set up that way to try and protect innocent people from being convicted, and I think that's a good thing. But it does mean, unfortunately, that a guilty person sometimes goes free. Sometimes even with a jury that thinks they are guilty... but there was something - and it only has to be one thing - that they could not dismiss beyond a reasonable doubt.

JMO, but I think that more than the Casey Anthony and similar trials is why some cases take so long to be brought to trial, or may never be brought to trial at all. Because they need to make sure they believe they can convince the jury beyond a reasonable doubt - and if they don't, and the jury votes not guilty, that person can never be tried again. So they have to be very cautious.

 

[SCHMAE]

Child Abduction Rapid Deployment

Frankly, it's a little late for ' rapid deployment'.
Maybe if it's past a certain time frame, they
can do nothing? Like 72 hrs or one week
or one month

 

[SCHMAE]

Browsing the "Missing, not forgotten" section here on WS makes one realize how many people are just never found. Where are they all?

Two words.......Denver Airport

 

[The Cheese]

Frankly, it's a little late for ' rapid deployment'.
Maybe if it's past a certain time frame, they
can do nothing? Like 72 hrs or one week
or one month

You thought I said to bring CARD in now?

 

[SCHMAE]

You thought I said to bring CARD in now?

NO,sorry.
I just wondered when you said what it stood for
if once the ' rapid' time frame had passed if there
was no need for them to come in at all. It just
seems like the type of name that would imply
they get to the scene quickly to find evidence
as soon as possible and now that all this time
has passed, the trail may be too cold even for
them.

 

[The Cheese]

NO,sorry.
I just wondered when you said what it stood for
if once the ' rapid' time frame had passed if there
was no need for them to come in at all. It just
seems like the type of name that would imply
they get to the scene quickly to find evidence
as soon as possible and now that all this time
has passed, the trail may be too cold even for
them.

Sorry, Schmae. I don't understand. They were called on November 23rd and came in on November 26th. Team Adam would have come in the day they were called, so November 23rd (I'm assuming they were also called on the 23rd, but they may have been called sooner).

That being said, it's always best to get them in day 1 or 2. The earlier the response, the better the results.