CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #23

[LotusPawprint]

Isn't driving drunk with kids in the car child abuse? :twocents:

Yes, but....

Yes. If that's true. But I don't think the person accused of this is a possible suspect in a missing person case.

What she said. ^^^^


(also, I take D&D personally and seriously but I also find it bothersome that someone waits 2 years to report an alleged incident of DWI. Either way, the person accused isn't on the table now)

 

[Tennlyn]

Exactly!



IMO...DON'T!! If your word isn't enough, nothing else will be enough and I have concerns about your children's privacy.
You have nothing to "prove" to anyone here. Posters can choose to believe you...or not.

I totally agree with this! I've seen other websites already picking up AzG's posts from Websleuths. Anyone can read here or post here, and copy & paste from here. ANYONE.

 

[Abby Normal Again]

She hasn't said that the information wasn't given to LE. And her obligation would be to LE, not a poster on websleuths, IMO.

Thanks for schooling me on what I already said.

I agreed with NC. I said she shouldn't concern herself with people on here. I said there would be a moral obligation to provide it to LE ONLY.

This is why I barely post anymore. Even when I agree with the majority, my words get picked apart as if I must be saying something implicitly in favor of the wrong person.

 

[NC Analyzer]

ER does seem more receptive to interviews in general though they've tailed off recently.

I wonder if either / both parent were approached by a neutral or friendly party (DH? Someone like her?) and asked if they would like to do an sitdown with an interviewer of his/her choice to get out any message he/she would like to get out on his/her terms -- would ER / MR accept?

Make the conditions of the interview as comfortable as possible and certainly try to get as much information as possible. If nothing else get Dylan's story and face out there (*if* he is still missing and in the possession of a random abductor). Also we would have the opportunity to see the demeanor and responses of the parents.

I'm sure if MR randomly threw out that he would like to be interviewed by Geraldo Rivera, for example (just an example! do not quote me!), someone would make that happen.

Someone talk! Please! Help Dylan!!!

BBM:
Just some thoughts, but ER may be trying to deal with losing her child right now. Although I cannot state this with any certainty, she may be coming to terms with knowing the odds are against her child ever coming home again.
A mother's grief is overwhelming. If you are able to get out of bed and brush your teeth, it is a good day. I operated on auto-pilot for the first year. Numb. Unbelievable sadness. You don't function like a normal person.
I pray for this momma every day. lease:

 

[Kimster]

Do not discuss the verified posters in here. If you have a concern about something you can contact me or the owners as we are the only ones who have contact with the verified posters.

If you do not believe something they have told you, then just move on. You can politely say you have a hard time believing it if you'd like, but don't make an issue out of it. If you feel the information needs to be backed up with proof, alert the post. It is okay to suggest they contact LE, but leave it at that. That's all.

:tyou:

 

[MissJ]

Its evident that the facts we have are Dylan's lack of contacts (via texts) since sunday night; MR was the last to see him (that we know about); there's a pic of him at Walmart from their video. So the rest is, what does it mean? We have differing opinions. MOO

 

[kkdj]

BBM:
Just some thoughts, but ER may be trying to deal with losing her child right now. Although I cannot state this with any certainty, she may be coming to terms with knowing the odds are against her child ever coming home again.
A mother's grief is overwhelming. If you are able to get out of bed and brush your teeth, it is a good day. I operated on auto-pilot for the first year. Numb. Unbelievable sadness. You don't function like a normal person.
I pray for this momma every day. lease:

Oh NC I'm so so sorry!
Thank you for doing what you do. It makes a difference!

 

[rachaellouise]

if in doubt, mod it out..

 

[PaulR]

Also - any judge that would order an unsupervised visit of a child to a known child abuser should be thrown off the bench MOO.

 

[StJohn]

Thanks for schooling me on what I already said.

I agreed with NC. I said she shouldn't concern herself with people on here. I said there would be a moral obligation to provide it to LE ONLY.

This is why I barely post anymore. Even when I agree with the majority, my words get picked apart as if I must be saying something implicitly in favor of the wrong person.

I apologize, Abby - when I reread that post, I can see how you took offense.

 

[kkdj]

I'm pretty sure LE has access to all sealed records in this case.

 

[Confusion]

If Az's children were harmed she may not want that info splattered all over the internet. If she has said it happened that is good enough for me.

I'm not as easily convinced. I'd prefer to see something official.

Exactly!

IMO...DON'T!! If your word isn't enough, nothing else will be enough and I have concerns about your children's privacy.
You have nothing to "prove" to anyone here. Posters can choose to believe you...or not.

Nobody "has to" prove anything to anyone anywhere (other than to LE, judges or juries), but I thought even verified insiders were only allowed to discuss things that had already been published, or things they could back up with more than words and opinions. Am I wrong about that? TIA

Actually, No it isn't. It's a LE issue. Which isn't to say that CPS doesn't become involved, but drunk driving with children isn't a CPS issue.

I know that child abuse/neglect are CPS issues, and LE won't do anything unless it's requested by them. Is child endangerment an actual legal issue that doesn't involve CPS? Are the laws about that stuff federal do they vary by state? Sorry to bug you with my questions, but who better to ask than someone who works in the field. Thanks for caring enough to use your education and experience to donate help to kids you've never even met.

Do you think she may have done something to Dylan?

Even if someone did believe that, they couldn't say it on here.

Without going into depth about policy and procedure it is hard to explain to a lay person, but drunk driving with children is a LE issue.
CPS investigators don't have the privilege of driving around in one of those pretty little cars with the flashing lights on top, so we aren't able to pull over someone who may or may not be intoxicated with children in the vehicle. :great:
Which is why it is a LE issue only.

That partially answers my questions above, thanks again.

 

[LotusPawprint]

BBM:
Just some thoughts, but ER may be trying to deal with losing her child right now. Although I cannot state this with any certainty, she may be coming to terms with knowing the odds are against her child ever coming home again.
A mother's grief is overwhelming. If you are able to get out of bed and brush your teeth, it is a good day. I operated on auto-pilot for the first year. Numb. Unbelievable sadness. You don't function like a normal person.
I pray for this momma every day. lease:

How awful it must be trying to cling to hope that your child will come while processing the likelihood of that not happening. I feel sick thinking about that - and I don't know how parents function through that.

I'm going to sound like a 5-year old, but this is how I feel: this is so unfair.
Why Dylan???
Why does this happen to so many kids and so many families???
Too much grief...

 

[Abby Normal Again]

I apologize, Abby - when I reread that post, I can see how you took offense.

I'm not offended at you personally- just frustrated. Who isn't, though? :banghead:

Sorry I replied sarcastically :blushing:

 

[PaulR]

I'm pretty sure LE has access to all sealed records in this case.

MR and azgrandma were living in another state though; they may not have thought to request records from Arizona. I'd hope they would.

 

[TxJan1971]

do not discuss the verified posters in here. If you have a concern about something you can contact me or the owners as we are the only ones who have contact with the verified posters.

if you do not believe something they have told you, then just move on. You can politely say you have a hard time believing it if you'd like, but don't make an issue out of it. if you feel the information needs to be backed up with proof, alert the post. It is okay to suggest they contact le, but leave it at that. That's all.

:tyou:

bbm: Bumping

 

[PaulR]

I'm not offended at you personally- just frustrated. Who isn't, though? :banghead:

Sorry I replied sarcastically :blushing:

Group hug everyone! :grouphug: We all want the same thing, for Dylan to be found and the person responsible to be brought to justice.

 

[NC Analyzer]

MR and azgrandma were living in another state though; they may not have thought to request records from Arizona. I'd hope they would.

IF
there are CPS records, they are not accessible to the parents or LE. The records actually belong to the child and the child has the right to view the records when he or she reaches the age of majority. Even then, the child is only allowed to view the record. The record does not leave the agency.

History with an ex is not usually taken into consideration during a current divorce and unless ER brought an abuse issue forward during her divorce, it would never have been addressed. So whatever MR did to AZgrandma's kid's, it wouldn't play into the current situation.

 

[nursebeeme]

IF
there are CPS records, they are not accessible to the parents or LE. The records actually belong to the child and the child has the right to view the records when he or she reaches the age of majority. Even then, the child is only allowed to view the record. The record does not leave the agency.

History with an ex is not usually taken into consideration during a current divorce and unless ER brought an abuse issue forward during her divorce, it would never have been addressed. So whatever MR did to AZgrandma's kid's, it wouldn't play into the current situation.

bbm: it would play to the current situation of Dylan missing :twocents: (maybe not the past divorce issue but certainly would be relevant to the current situation with Dylan missing)

also, iirc she claimed to have the records at home...

 

[mck16]

Actually, No it isn't. It's a LE issue. Which isn't to say that CPS doesn't become involved, but drunk driving with children isn't a CPS issue.

Not arguing with you, but if someone is driving drunk and is pulled over and taken to jail, where do the children who are in the car go? Isn't CPS called in at that point? Or is there a middle agency that gets involved? I am just remembering 'Cops' and shows I have seen. tia