CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #23

[Pensfan]

We should send out the penguin signal (for PensFan), I think! ---> ETA, I sent a message asking PensFan to stop by.

....why no penguin smilies?!

Yes, untreated mental disorders can lead to more severe, more difficult to treat illnesses, and to the development of co-occurring mental illnesses. This is especially true for psychotic, mood, anxiety disorders and substance abuse.




{There are NO signs of anyone having psychotic behavior in this case, but this is my passion for people with schizophrenic loved ones, so here it comes. Every psychotic episode causes the same amount (not type, but rather excitotoxic oligodendrocyte death) of brain damage as a CVA (a stroke). Protect the mental capabilities of your loved ones! Make sure they are quickly seen if they appear to have increasing or changing mental health issues and if they are prescribed antipsychotics, make sure they take them. }

 

[ThePhantom]

It has gotten depressing watching the days tick past with no news about Dylan. I used to never believe in the "perfect crime" until I saw many cases with clear suspects go unprosecuted due to lack of sufficient evidence. It was an ugly moment to realize people get away with murder even when it appeared "obvious" who the culprit was.

In Dylan's case, it's frustrating since we simply don't have access to any "insider" information. I realize we're "sleuthers" and we work to uncover new details and examine different theories. As top notch as many of the sleuthers are here, if we aren't privvy to what the cops know -- we continue to operate with one arm tied behind our backs as we attempt to connect the dots...ugh.


Anywho -- for the sake of keeping a dialogue about Dylan going ---- I decided to google different terms like "protective order" and abuse and things of that nature. I know I am digressing here, and yes going on a tangent not related to Dylan's case. But, I found this group I never heard of called
"Protective Parent Group" -- Bethany Decker came to mind actually, and I wondered if she might have enlisted such a group's help to escape potential abuse from her unborn baby's father.

But back to Dylan -- does anyone know how much or what kind of evidence it would take for police to at least formally refer to MR as a "person of interest?"

 

[Confusion]

Yes, untreated mental disorders can lead to more severe, more difficult to treat illnesses, and to the development of co-occurring mental illnesses. This is especially true for psychotic, mood, anxiety disorders and substance abuse.

{There are NO signs of anyone having psychotic behavior in this case, but this is my passion for people with schizophrenic loved ones, so here it comes. Every psychotic episode causes the same amount (but not type) of brain damage as a CVA (a stroke). Protect the mental capabilities of your loved ones! Make sure they are quickly seen if they appear to have increasing or changing mental health issues and if they are prescribed antipsychotics, make sure they take them. }

I know you're the expert/professional here, but I just wanted to say that after many years of being medicated for catatonic panic attacks, grand mal seizures, numerous suicide attempts, and other problems, it was discovered that almost all of his problems were actually caused by his medications (antidepressants, anti-anxiety, and eventually antipsycholtic meds.) After a rather traumatic experience when he was young, he was put on antidepressants, which they now say should not be given to children. They kept adding more prescriptions to fight the side effects of the previous one because they thought he was just getting worse.


When he finally had a reaction so bad that it left him unable to sit up, respond to his surroundings or focus his eyes for days, he refused to take any more. Before he lost the ability to walk, he flushed every pill in his home, and said he'd never take another one. He hasn't had anything but moderate social phobia since then (and has never had another seizure.) That's why I had said it depends on what the problem is and the cause. I'd believe that in most cases it does probably get worse in time if untreated. MOO Thanks for your response.

ETA: I reread this and realized that I never said who "he" was. I was talking about my son, not anyone connected to the case.

 

[mck16]

It has gotten depressing watching the days tick past with no news about Dylan. I used to never believe in the "perfect crime" until I saw many cases with clear suspects go unprosecuted due to lack of sufficient evidence. It was an ugly moment to realize people get away with murder even when it appeared "obvious" who the culprit was.

In Dylan's case, it's frustrating since we simply don't have access to any "insider" information. I realize we're "sleuthers" and we work to uncover new details and examine different theories. As top notch as many of the sleuthers are here, if we aren't privvy to what the cops know -- we continue to operate with one arm tied behind our backs as we attempt to connect the dots...ugh.


Anywho -- for the sake of keeping a dialogue about Dylan going ---- I decided to google different terms like "protective order" and abuse and things of that nature. I know I am digressing here, and yes going on a tangent not related to Dylan's case. But, I found this group I never heard of called
"Protective Parent Group" -- Bethany Decker came to mind actually, and I wondered if she might have enlisted such a group's help to escape potential abuse from her unborn baby's father.

But back to Dylan -- does anyone know how much or what kind of evidence it would take for police to at least formally refer to MR as a "person of interest?"

Not LE, but I would think some kind of forensic evidense either in the home or the truck. Proof he was never at the house Sunday night. Not sure about the cell phone activity because no info has been released about pings, etc. We know there was no GPS on his phone. An eyewitness. Something they obviously do not have or do not care to share right now. jmo

 

[Confusion]

Not LE, but I would think some kind of forensic evidense either in the home or the truck. Proof he was never at the house Sunday night. Not sure about the cell phone activity because no info has been released about pings, etc. We know there was no GPS on his phone. An eyewitness. Something they obviously do not have or do not care to share right now. jmo

Please don't get the ping talk started again! :what:

 

[mck16]

Please don't get the ping talk started again! :what:

Sorry Confusion, but I think that applies to anything I listed. lol:banghead:

 

[Confusion]

Sorry Confusion, but I think that applies to anything I listed. lol:banghead:

But there's no way they could have tracked any pings... MOO

 

[mijamawi]

I know you're the expert/professional here, but I just wanted to say that after many years of being medicated for catatonic panic attacks, grand mal seizures, numerous suicide attempts, and other problems, it was discovered that almost all of his problems were actually caused by his medications (antidepressants, anti-anxiety, and eventually antipsycholtic meds.) After a rather traumatic experience when he was young, he was put on antidepressants, which they now say should not be given to children. They kept adding more prescriptions to fight the side effects of the previous one because they thought he was just getting worse.


When he finally had a reaction so bad that it left him unable to sit up, respond to his surroundings or focus his eyes for days, he refused to take any more. Before he lost the ability to walk, he flushed every pill in his home, and said he'd never take another one. He hasn't had anything but moderate social phobia since then (and has never had another seizure.) That's why I had said it depends on what the problem is and the cause. I'd believe that in most cases it does probably get worse in time if untreated. MOO Thanks for your response.

ETA: I reread this and realized that I never said who "he" was. I was talking about my son, not anyone connected to the case.

O/T but I'm so sorry to hear you had to go through this. I'm glad to hear he's better.

 

[mck16]

But there's no way they could have tracked any pings... MOO

Because of the lack of towers for the triangulation? tia

 

[Confusion]

Because of the lack of towers for the triangulation? tia

I had posted about that earlier, I'll add the link to the post when I get done here. You can't follow pings after the fact. They're used more for tracking where a phone is, and where it's going, not for where it's been.

ETA link

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[mck16]

Ransom, you mentioned that while on the search for Dylan you almost fell over the edge of a cliff or precipice while looking up into the trees. Do you think Dylan could have suffered a fall or an accident. Was the terrain condusive to this? ty

 

[imamaze]

When did the FBI and CBI get involved in Dylan's case. I know there is MSM, but for the life of me I can't locate it.

From the notes I have...

Day 5: Thursday, Nov. 22
La Plata County Sheriff’s Office starts working with local FBI representatives.

Day 9: Monday, Nov. 26
The FBI officially joins the investigation.

 

[Wild@Heart]

:yourock:

From the notes I have...

Day 5: Thursday, Nov. 22
La Plata County Sheriff’s Office starts working with local FBI representatives.

Day 9: Monday, Nov. 26
The FBI officially joins the investigation.

:yourock:

 

[Cardinal47]

Just checking in to see if there is anything at all on Dylan? Strange case...very strange.

 

[popsicle]

Please don't get the ping talk started again! :what:

Do we know when and where the phone last pinged??

j/k
:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[lonetraveler]

Just checking in to see if there is any news. This is so frustrating.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Whenever I see this accusation, I feel obligated to add that it was also alleged at the time it happened. MOO

really? can you please provide a link to where there was an allegation in 2003 when they lived in the Denver area

 

[Linda7NJ]

It has gotten depressing watching the days tick past with no news about Dylan. I used to never believe in the "perfect crime" until I saw many cases with clear suspects go unprosecuted due to lack of sufficient evidence. It was an ugly moment to realize people get away with murder even when it appeared "obvious" who the culprit was.

In Dylan's case, it's frustrating since we simply don't have access to any "insider" information. I realize we're "sleuthers" and we work to uncover new details and examine different theories. As top notch as many of the sleuthers are here, if we aren't privvy to what the cops know -- we continue to operate with one arm tied behind our backs as we attempt to connect the dots...ugh.


Anywho -- for the sake of keeping a dialogue about Dylan going ---- I decided to google different terms like "protective order" and abuse and things of that nature. I know I am digressing here, and yes going on a tangent not related to Dylan's case. But, I found this group I never heard of called
"Protective Parent Group" -- Bethany Decker came to mind actually, and I wondered if she might have enlisted such a group's help to escape potential abuse from her unborn baby's father.

But back to Dylan -- does anyone know how much or what kind of evidence it would take for police to at least formally refer to MR as a "person of interest?"

Enough evidence to arrest and charge him, when the DA decides there is enough to likely get a conviction. IMO a body.


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[Chili Fries]

I had posted about that earlier, I'll add the link to the post when I get done here. You can't follow pings after the fact. They're used more for tracking where a phone is, and where it's going, not for where it's been.

ETA link

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In this case, just determining which tower a phone pings off could be very important (say if MR was miles away from where he said he was at a certain time Sunday night).

Also, some towers have directional antennae. That provides a better idea of location without needing 3 towers for triangulation, so all of this can depend on the type of tower involved. Ping data retrieved after the fact has been prominently used in many cases. I remember following one case here where the ping data reportedly had to be retrieved from the tower itself (seemed strange to me, but maybe there are electronics that can't be accessed remotely).

 

[Confusion]

In this case, just determining which tower a phone pings off could be very important (say if MR was miles away from where he said he was at a certain time Sunday night).

Also, some towers have directional antennae. That provides a better idea of location without needing 3 towers for triangulation, so all of this can depend on the type of tower involved. Ping data retrieved after the fact has been prominently used in many cases. I remember following one case here where the ping data reportedly had to be retrieved from the tower itself (seemed strange to me, but maybe there are electronics that can't be accessed remotely).

The problem is that they would have to be checking for pings before Dylan was missing (or at least reported missing).

ETA: They could find out where the phone was when the texts were sent and received, but not while it wasn't in use.