CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #23

[jjenny]

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I think he's the only person, other than Dylan, who can accurately say what happened.

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Well, I agree that he can accurately say what happened. But is he?

 

[Confusion]

Well, I agree that he can accurately say what happened. But is he?

I have no reason at this time to doubt it.

 

[cluciano63]

Sadly, at this rate, we may all be able maintain our opinions forever, as we may well never know more than we have already been told.

 

[LotusPawprint]

Regarding the s/w search:

I'm not convinced the search of MR's house is an open and closed deal, even with LE's comment saying they found nothing that would help them find Dylan.

What are they going to say-- we found something that may be helpful, but we're not certain, and we're not sure what it means in the big picture - so while we wait for the crime lab we're just going to tip off MR with a public statement saying there "MAY" be something?
I don't think so. AZG mentioned the other day that when search warrants are executed, you are provided a list of everything that was taken so while we're clueless - MR is not. He knows if something is still gone and being tested. He knows.



If you consider these two lines:

“The investigation of Dylan’s disappearance is ongoing,” Bender said. “We won’t be revealing any list of what we find until it’s over.” 11/29 (this regarding the Search warrant)


Some evidence sent to the CBI has been processed and returned to the Sheriff’s Office. However, information regarding that evidence will not be released because the investigation remains active, the Sheriff’s Office said in the release. 1/5



I know we'll continue to pick apart every statement we're fortunate enough to get from LE, but I don't really think anything they say is a certainty and there's a lot of reading between the lines. We won't hear much of anything helpful until the "investigation is over".

 

[Eileen730]

Here are 2 of several scenarios I can think of -

- Dylan puts his phone on the coffee table, lays down on the couch, and falls asleep. Next morning he wakes up sometime between 7:30 and 11:30. He grabs some cereal, flips on the TV, finishes cereal, puts bowl in sink, decides to text his friends or his dad, but there's a knock on the door. Abduction happens and prevents Dylan from using his phone.

- Dylan puts his phone to charge, lays down on the couch, falls asleep. Wakes up in the morning between 7:30 and 11:30. Grabs cereal, flips on TV, picks up his phone to text his friends, and discovers it hasn't taken the charge. He finishes his cereal, puts the bowl in the sink, decides to hitch to friends, grabs his backpack, heads out the door and down the road, gets a ride. Abduction happens and prevents Dylan from using his phone.

For what its worth Kids know to charge their phones Its their lifeline to their world. I have heard no one say his phone was dead alot! He never charged his phone Sorry Kids dont let that happen if they can help it! He had his charger with him.

LE knows if Dylan was in that house or not. JMO

He had to have touched the milk opened the cabinet to get the bowl.
Im sure he used the bathroom.
did he have a soda? a Bottle of water?
His prints have to be on that counter top and the bathroom and LE can tell if they are fresh or left from last time. JMO

JMO

 

[Eileen730]

Do you have any kind of evidence to back that up? I don't remember seeing any.

I think it could very well be a pretty good possibility dont you?

How many times have we as parents said (esp at dinner) "If I see you texting again im taking the phone" they put it down under the table and it buzzes lol and its killing them not to look at it!

I think it makes perfect sense esp if dad wanted his undivided attention after all Dylan was there ot see him right?

All JMVOPO!

 

[The Cheese]

Was that done for the day or done for good, though? On Nancy Grace the following Monday, it was reported that Mark only was allowed back in his house that day, the 3rd of December. So that would mean LE spent Thurs-Sun or Mon processing the house.

Done for good. Sometimes they ask people to make arrangements for several days away, in case they want to go back in. There have been no reports of them going back in, and the local reporters were all over the police for days.

I thought he was allowed back in the next day. Do you have anything from a local reporter saying it wasn't until December 3rd? I don't know. He knew the next day the ipod had been taken. Would he know that if he hadn't already gotten the document that lists what was taken and been let back in the house?

This is an interview with Mark the next day - http://www.9news.com/news/article/302378/339/Missing-boys-father-denies-involvement

 

[kkdj]

For what its worth Kids know to charge their phones Its their lifeline to their world. I have heard no one say his phone was dead alot! He never charged his phone Sorry Kids dont let that happen if they can help it! He had his charger with him.

LE knows if Dylan was in that house or not. JMO

He had to have touched the milk opened the cabinet to get the bowl.
Im sure he used the bathroom.
did he have a soda? a Bottle of water?
His prints have to be on that counter top and the bathroom and LE can tell if they are fresh or left from last time. JMO

JMO

They can tell if the prints are fresh? How? More oils on the print? No other residue on the print ? (dust, etc)

 

[jjenny]

No. LE can't say if fingerprints are fresh. Fingerprints can not be dated.
They also waited 10 days to do forensic search of the house.
I don't think that they can prove one way or the other if Dylan was at that house.

 

[Eileen730]

Sadly, at this rate, we may all be able maintain our opinions forever, as we may well never know more than we have already been told.

Sadly I think we have to wait for spring!
JMO

 

[mck16]

Done for good. Sometimes they ask people to make arrangements for several days away, in case they want to go back in. There have been no reports of them going back in, and the local reporters were all over the police for days.

I thought he was allowed back in the next day. Do you have anything from a local reporter saying it wasn't until December 3rd? I don't know. He knew the next day the ipod had been taken. Would he know that if he hadn't already gotten the document that lists what was taken and been let back in the house?

This is an interview with Mark the next day - http://www.9news.com/news/article/302378/339/Missing-boys-father-denies-involvement

I think we should also note that there were no pictures of LE carrying anything out of the house. We know that there was press there and they are deperate for pictures or something. In any other case we always see pictures of what was removed. jmo

 

[The Cheese]

No, it doesn't say they can't track it since Nov 26th. You can't just pick a day on which article was published and claim that is the day that they can't track the phone down on.

I didn't say they can't track it since Nov 26th. I didn't pick the article day and claim that's the day they can't track the phone down on.

I even included the exact quote. :waitasec:

 

[Confusion]

I think it could very well be a pretty good possibility dont you?

How many times have we as parents said (esp at dinner) "If I see you texting again im taking the phone" they put it down under the table and it buzzes lol and its killing them not to look at it!

I think it makes perfect sense esp if dad wanted his undivided attention after all Dylan was there ot see him right?

All JMVOPO!

I'd say possible but not probable.

As I've stated before, most of the young teens (under15) that I know don't have cell phones. If Dylan is a disobedient kid, it may have been necessary; however, I haven't seen anyone even hint at him being disobedient. I could see MR saying something like, "Just leave the phone alone so we can get this straightened out, unless you want to just forget about going at all." Meaning that he didn't want to wait until early morning to find out where he had to take him and when. MOO

 

[Darcyline]

I think we should also note that there were no pictures of LE carrying anything out of the house. We know that there was press there and they are deperate for pictures or something. In any other case we always see pictures of what was removed. jmo

That does confuse me about this case. I have seen other cases where a parent was strongly suspected and I have always seen SOMETHING removed from the house-often many things-sheets, toys, stuff the kid may have touched, etc. I have also seen LE say "We are processing evidence or may have found evidence" rather than just saying nothing helpful found.
I guess you could say maybe they think he never reached the house so no evidence would be found there, but then they returned the vehicles very quickly for a murder suspect. Much quicker than I have seen in other cases and in some I know vehicles are STILL impounded while LE develops a case.

I guess this case just feels off to me. They aren't acting like this is a stranger abduction, but I also don't feel like they are truly going after MR either especially not nearly as aggressively as I have seen in other cases where the parent was suspected.

 

[jjenny]

As far as I know, there have been no msm articles saying LE returned the vehicles. When exactly did LE return the vehicles and how exactly do we know that they returned these vehicles quickly?

 

[cluciano63]

That does confuse me about this case. I have seen other cases where a parent was strongly suspected and I have always seen SOMETHING removed from the house-often many things-sheets, toys, stuff the kid may have touched, etc. I have also seen LE say "We are processing evidence or may have found evidence" rather than just saying nothing helpful found.
I guess you could say maybe they think he never reached the house so no evidence would be found there, but then they returned the vehicles very quickly for a murder suspect. Much quicker than I have seen in other cases and in some I know vehicles are STILL impounded while LE develops a case.

I guess this case just feels off to me. They aren't acting like this is a stranger abduction, but I also don't feel like they are truly going after MR either especially not nearly as aggressively as I have seen in other cases where the parent was suspected.

But in what way could they go after him, if indeed they suspect him? If there is no crime scene and IF MR does indeed have an attorney now, there is very little LE can do. We have seen stand-offs continue for years between LE and parents of missing children, never knowing what, if any evidence LE may have.

 

[mck16]

That does confuse me about this case. I have seen other cases where a parent was strongly suspected and I have always seen SOMETHING removed from the house-often many things-sheets, toys, stuff the kid may have touched, etc. I have also seen LE say "We are processing evidence or may have found evidence" rather than just saying nothing helpful found.
I guess you could say maybe they think he never reached the house so no evidence would be found there, but then they returned the vehicles very quickly for a murder suspect. Much quicker than I have seen in other cases and in some I know vehicles are STILL impounded while LE develops a case.

I guess this case just feels off to me. They aren't acting like this is a stranger abduction, but I also don't feel like they are truly going after MR either especially not nearly as aggressively as I have seen in other cases where the parent was suspected.

There were no pictures of a computer being removed. No tubs of evidense, etc. It makes me think they have some evidence pointing to DR being in the home, and no evidence of foul play that morning or night. jmo

 

[PaulR]

I guess this case just feels off to me. They aren't acting like this is a stranger abduction, but I also don't feel like they are truly going after MR either especially not nearly as aggressively as I have seen in other cases where the parent was suspected.

Thus my suspicion that the police have a suspect in mind, but are playing it very close to the vest.

 

[Eileen730]

They can tell if the prints are fresh? How? More oils on the print? No other residue on the print ? (dust, etc)

Heck I thought they could I thought they could be dated!


My Bad!

 

[Darcyline]

But in what way could they go after him, if indeed they suspect him? If there is no crime scene and IF MR does indeed have an attorney now, there is very little LE can do. We have seen stand-offs continue for years between LE and parents of missing children, never knowing what, if any evidence LE may have.

But compare this to other cases where a parent is basically assumed guilty of a crime-like, Lisa Irwin for example or whatshername with Kyron. Or the many examples people have posted of parents going through hell-constant searches, thinly veiled comments to press, constant questioning, vehicles impounded for months-only to be found innocent. It just feels very polite and reserved in this case. Maybe it is just the LE's style though and the "man-handling" putting pressure on the suspect approach is not something they do? I guess obviously different LE offices will have different approaches and maybe this one is polite and private.