CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #24

[BritsKate]

IMO anyone who premeditates the murder of their child is IMO a pretty cold person and likely wouldn't bond with their victim. IMO Also, considering that there's no evidence that we know of and the constant hashing of the cell phone activity, surely he would smart enough to have covered that in his evil plotting. JMO

One would think so but ironically some research into filicide finds that altruistic filicides especially are often premeditated. (2001 JAAPL article; LH Gold)

Paternal filicides followed by suicide is also high on the list for premeditation according to the studies I've read - bearing in mind that paternal filicide has been largely under-researched in comparison to maternal. (2005 JAAPL; Dominique Bourget-among several others)

It's what a definition of a 'bond' is I guess. Chris Coleman, convicted in the murders of his wife and two sons, was by most accounts a great dad. Until he wasn't.
(The evening before he strangled his boys to death he was witnessed playing ball with Garrett in the front yard and later took both boys for snow cones.) The Coleman filicide-uxoricide was most definitely premeditated.

FWIW

 

[Skbale]

Again, could you please provide a link to that in case I need to use it later? Thanks

I found a link with some information for you, but it was knowledge I had that came from working in the cellular industry for the last 11.5 years (retail side).

http://www.cellguru.net/1900.htm

 

[LotusPawprint]

Cell phone and ping questions aside, I can't understand MR's actions or inactions when he gets home at 11:30am.

--He knows Dylan was desperate to see his friends.
--It's absurd to think Dylan would walk the 20 or so miles to his friends' house (how long would that even take? How many hours?)
--If he thinks Dylan would try making his way to his friends' on his own - how is he going to get there? No bike. No bus or public transportation. Doesn't seem like there are any close neighbors or friends MR could assume Dylan safely got a ride from.
.....
-- A reasonable mind might think a 13-year old would call his friend's parents for a ride.... DH suggested this on the NG show, saying Dylan would call someone's mom for a ride or at least try. But that would mean either the cell phone and/or landline would have to be used or an attempt at dialing out would be necessary in this "story".

-- So MR arrives home and apparently somehow thinks Dylan made his way to his friends house safely, enough so that he doesn't really get alarmed until late afternoon.

-- Only later does he even consider hitch-hiking "in hindsight" after learning from Dylan's friends that he's been known to hitch rides, though all we've heard is the one group incident of hitching.


I can understand being surprised to learn your child may have hitched rides before, but the only safe situation was if Dylan ended up at his friends' and got a ride from someone reliable and trustworthy (and likely known to MR and Dylan). Yet it took several hours of not trying or not being able to reach Dylan to confirm that he made it safely, while all the meantime something bad could've happened like being hit by a car or falling into a lake or down onto rocky ground.

I guess he's just a calm, cool, collected, go-with-the-flow, assume everything's going well, things are just fine, Dylan made it and there are no worries kinda-guy.


Just my thoughts, but I don't get it.

 

[LotusPawprint]

He also had not made plans for Thanksgiving. They were "winging it". The problem with that is, unless there are fresh turkeys available, (and MR strikes me as more of a Walmart and Supermarket man than specialty store or butchers) you can't just "wing" Thanksgiving.

Unless you are going to have a Charlie Brown Thanksgiving with popcorn and toast...

bbm - they were "WINGING IT" on Thanksgiving. Really?! :floorlaugh: I love the wing, it's my favorite part! MmmMmmMmm!

 

[Confusion]

I found a link with some information for you, but it was knowledge I had that came from working in the cellular industry for the last 11.5 years (retail side).

http://www.cellguru.net/1900.htm

Thanks. That's been my biggest problem, I can't provide links to my brain or my reference books either. Until I have my cataract surgery, trying to read through page after page looking for one that says what I want to say just gives me headaches.

 

[Confusion]

bbm - they were "WINGING IT" on Thanksgiving. Really?! :floorlaugh: I love the wing, it's my favorite part! MmmMmmMmm!

What's wrong with "winging it"? Not everybody wants drumsticks! :waitasec:

 

[SCHMAE]

Not necessarily. I may buy a few food items at Walmart, but most of my food is purchased elsewhere. I wouldn't necessarily draw any conclusions from the amount of food purchased unless he didn't buy any after claiming he did.

Also, I wouldn't put much emphasis on not going shopping before his boy arrived. I don't like to make special trips somewhere if I know I'll be nearby in a day or two.

Maybe they were going to eat fresh fish they caught themselves.
Maybe MR has a lot of deer meat in the freezer. Do we know if
MR hunts ?

 

[LotusPawprint]

What's wrong with "winging it"? Not everybody wants drumsticks! :waitasec:

I'll share the wings with you. But I'll see you at the table for the wishbone!

 

[mijamawi]

What's wrong with "winging it"? Not everybody wants drumsticks! :waitasec:

Or breastseses. lol

 

[Allusonz]

I'll share the wings with you. But I'll see you at the table for the wishbone!

OMG too funny!!


While you guys are winging it, I will munch happily on the drumsticks :angel:

 

[Chili Fries]

If I were a LE investigator, these are some questions I would have had, because Dylan's lack of communication after 8pm Sunday night is such a looming issue:

- Did Dylan have his phone charger?

- Could Dylan still make calls/text while his phone was charging? (so a dead battery wouldn't matter once he got to Mark's)

- Did Mark confiscate Dylan's phone Sunday night so Dylan wouldn't be distracted?

- Does Mark know if the phone was dropped or broken in some way?

- Did Dylan have a pre-paid cell phone?

- We know Mark said that before he left Monday morning, he told the sleeping Dylan to contact him if Dylan needed anything. Did Mark expect Dylan to contact him via Dylan's cellphone? Or was Dylan's phone still confiscated (and put in a place Dylan would not be able to find)? Did Mark expect Dylan to call him using the landline?

- Had Dylan used the internet at Mark's house in the past? Did you need a password to use Mark's computer, and, if so, did Dylan possibly know the password?

Obviously LE would have Mark's landline records, so they would know if Dylan made any calls Monday morning, and there has been no indication he did.

 

[jennapuppy]

I believe it was reported that grocery shopping was the reason for going to Walmart. And we have no idea that MR never had a prior discussion about coming for Thanksgiving with his brother or anyone. However in my family that would not have even been necessary. I can call and say we are on the way and that would have been quite okay. jmo

It's possible that MR had been invited to his brother's for Thanksgiving and was still debating whether or not he wanted to make the drive or just get a bucket of chicken and stay at home to watch football.
moo

 

[Allusonz]

They already said that during first search they did a walk through looking for things like Dylan's cell phone. I don't think they collected anything for forensic testing that time.

I am going to stand by my opinion that items were removed from MR's house, that subsequently could of been sent for forensic testing, based on the fact that the dogs were used the Monday night and Tuesday.


Members of La Plata County Search & Rescue team using bloodhounds searched for the teen Monday night and Tuesday. The search area included the shoreline around Vallecito Lake, several small subdivisions, county roads, steep wooded hillsides and hiking trails. Many of the homes in the area are seasonal while some are occupied year around'

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...-dylan-redwine-whos-been-missing-since-monday

'La Plata County Search and Rescue members searched for Redwine Monday night in areas of County Road 500. Residents who have expressed an interest in assisting are being asked to search their properties and areas of Vallecito they are familiar with'

http://www.laplatasar.org/www/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=21&Itemid=46

 

[jjenny]

There is no need to ask MR if he thought the phone was broken. We already know MR claims he texted Dylan on Monday. Therefore, if one assumes MR is telling the truth, MR had to believe that the phone was in a perfectly working order.

 

[Allusonz]

Were they on the same network? MR's phone could use CDMA and Dylan's phone could have been GSM.

Example: a few years ago I went snowboarding (well, tried to) at Stevens Pass, which is a pretty popular ski area on US 2. My friend (who I think was on AT&T) could use her cell phone. I was on the Sprint network and couldn't pick up a single bar.

So many variables in this region is there not like antenna's versus towers.

So many natural obstacles like mountains as well let alone atmospheric conditions.

I would hope LE has more information to help them.

 

[asyousay]

It's possible that MR had been invited to his brother's for Thanksgiving and was still debating whether or not he wanted to make the drive or just get a bucket of chicken and stay at home to watch football.
moo

Personally i find this sad if that was the case. Spend Thanksgiving with just your dad and do basically nothing or have been home and spent it will your mum and brother and family and actually have a great time with all the food and what that entails ( i am from England so dont really know what goes on besides its all about family) .

 

[Confusion]

Personally i find this sad if that was the case. Spend Thanksgiving with just your dad and do basically nothing or have been home and spent it will your mum and brother and family and actually have a great time with all the food and what that entails ( i am from England so dont really know what goes on besides its all about family) .

In most families I know, it's all about food and football.

 

[asyousay]

In most families I know, it's all about food and football.

So is it not like Christmas over here where you have family and relatives over and all sit around and have a massive dinner of Turkey ?

 

[mijamawi]

As much traveling as my family has to do on Thanksgiving, I'd love it just once to stay home and eat a dirty tv dinner and watch my Dallas Cowboys.

 

[Confusion]

So is it not like Christmas over here where you have family and relatives over and all sit around and have a massive dinner of Turkey ?

That's the food part. Instead of gifts, many sit around the tv and watch football. A lot of my family doesn't do traditional Thanksgiving because we don't like turkey or football, and my boys and I usually don't do much of anything. (My one son did come over last year for it, and we ordered pizza.)