CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #25

[Confusion]

But there would be a record of that, wouldn't there? If a tower was not taking calls?

What might be more telling is the human factor. If, for example only, MR said to LE he was one place, but his phone showed he was elsewhere, and Dylan is eventually found near where MR's phone actually traveled, that would be a strong piece of circumstantial evidence, IMO.

Unless Dylan has the DNA of a stranger on his body, things like cell pings and tracking may become more important, if difficult due to the scarcity of towers. In any event, a case like this is bound to be a circumstantial one, as a confession with matching evidence is unlikely.

I don't think he'd be dumb enough to use his phone while he was murdering someone or dumping a body. MOO

ETA: I know we don't know that his phone doesn't have GPS, but we don't know that it does either. MOO

 

[cluciano63]

I don't think he'd be dumb enough to use his phone while he was murdering someone or dumping a body. MOO

ETA: I know we don't know that his phone doesn't have GPS, but we don't know that it does either. MOO

I am under the impression that phones ping when they pass a tower, whether they are being used or not. I have read this many times and heard "geeks" on TV explaining it.

 

[Confusion]

I am under the impression that phones ping when they pass a tower, whether they are being used or not. I have read this many times and heard "geeks" on TV explaining it.

Did they also explain that the pings aren't recorded unless a call is made (or text is sent)?

 

[mmmagique]

There's no way to tell from the news article what time Dylan's last text was, except that it was between 8:01 and 9:27.

There were more texts (shown in the news article) prior to the 8:01 text. They were all slow going back and forth - gaps of time in between.

The mother said that according to the records (which she has seen) there was no activity on Dylan's phone after 8 p.m. I don't know why we wouldn't believe her.

"JOSTAD: Yes, he did have a cell phone, according to his mom, Elaine Redwine. And she said, too, just the fact that -- according to cell records she`s seen, the fact that there was no activity on Dylan`s cell phone after 8:00 PM is very unusual. She says this is a tech-savvy kid who is always texting."

And I know reporters don't always get everything right, but this is what one of them said in that same transcript. "The most bizarre thing about this case, though, Nancy, is that Dylan, a prolific texter as most 13-year-old boys are who have cell phones -- his phone was not used since 8:00 p.m. Sunday night. His phone was not even on after 8:00 p.m. Sunday night."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1211/28/ng.01.html

I believe the mother saw the records. I believe she is speaking the truth. She wants her son back. Why would she lie about the time of the last activity on Dylan's phone?

 

[katydid23]

I don't think he'd be dumb enough to use his phone while he was murdering someone or dumping a body. MOO

ETA: I know we don't know that his phone doesn't have GPS, but we don't know that it does either. MOO

But if it wasnt a planned thing and he just got into a fight that escalated, then his phone would probably be in his vehicle anyway. He wouldnt have had time to remove it. Now if he went on a trip to dispose of evidence, he might have dropped his cell off at home, to deflect attention. JMO

 

[Confusion]

But if it wasnt a planned thing and he just got into a fight that escalated, then his phone would probably be in his vehicle anyway. He wouldnt have had time to remove it. Now if he went on a trip to dispose of evidence, he might have dropped his cell off at home, to deflect attention. JMO

If his cell phone has GPS. I haven't seen anything saying one way or the other. JMO

 

[mck16]

I don't think he'd be dumb enough to use his phone while he was murdering someone or dumping a body. MOO

ETA: I know we don't know that his phone doesn't have GPS, but we don't know that it does either. MOO

I think they need to check the freezer behind MR's house. Oh he doesn't have one, well maybe he moved it the other day.. I guess it could be down by his job, or maybe he took it far away in his truck when he went out of town to work. No, maybe he left it on the runway at the airiport or behind Walmart. All the speculation is really getting old. It seems people are just making things up. Are we sleuthing this or are we looking for blame.

Confusion I totally agree with this post and am just 'jumping off' as they say. It would be nice if all the facts were put together and some real sleuthing would take place. Instead of looking for blame we should be looking for something that makes sense. Let's find some facts and not inuendos. This man in my opinion did not harm his child. If it is proven he did then I will be the first to say fry his butt, but until then stop the slander. jmo

 

[mck16]

I don't think he'd be dumb enough to use his phone while he was murdering someone or dumping a body. MOO

ETA: I know we don't know that his phone doesn't have GPS, but we don't know that it does either. MOO

I know that I have read from posters here that the phone did not have GPS. And I think it was LE who reported that. jmo

 

[Deleted member 39678]

But there would be a record of that, wouldn't there? If a tower was not taking calls?

What might be more telling is the human factor. If, for example only, MR said to LE he was one place, but his phone showed he was elsewhere, and Dylan is eventually found near where MR's phone actually traveled, that would be a strong piece of circumstantial evidence, IMO.

Unless Dylan has the DNA of a stranger on his body, things like cell pings and tracking may become more important, if difficult due to the scarcity of towers. In any event, a case like this is bound to be a circumstantial one, as a confession with matching evidence is unlikely.

I'm not a cell phone tower expert but I do know that intermittent electrical problems can be difficult to diagnose. I'm not sure what kind of reliability or malfunction records are retained by cell phone companies.

I agree that cell phone records may be a part of this case in the future but at this point it's very limited in what's been released. MOO.

 

[cluciano63]

I know that I have read from posters here that the phone did not have GPS. And I think it was LE who reported that. jmo

I know it was said that Dylan's phone did not have it.

 

[katydid23]

If his cell phone has GPS. I haven't seen anything saying one way or the other. JMO

I would think a professional truck driver would want to have the use of a smart phone on the road. JMO

 

[mck16]

I'm not a cell phone tower expert but I do know that intermittent electrical problems can be difficult to diagnose. I'm not sure what kind of reliability or malfunction records are retained by cell phone companies.

I agree that cell phone records may be a part of this case in the future but at this point it's very limited in what's been released. MOO.

I guess my main question is what if there was no cell phone involved at all. Would this be a mystery that could not be solved. Can we think out of the box and find answers? The cell phone drives me crazy. Maybe DR was involved with talking and visiting with his dad and that's why his texts were limited and short. What is wrong with thinking that? Why does it have to be so ominous? jmo

 

[katydid23]

I know that I have read from posters here that the phone did not have GPS. And I think it was LE who reported that. jmo

It was reported that MR's phone didnt have GPS? I only saw it reported that Dylan's didn't.

I would think a truck driver would NEED a smart phone. JMO

 

[katydid23]

I guess my main question is what if there was no cell phone involved at all. Would this be a mystery that could not be solved. Can we think out of the box and find answers? The cell phone drives me crazy. Maybe DR was involved with talking and visiting with his dad and that's why his texts were limited and short. What is wrong with thinking that? Why does it have to be so ominous? jmo

MR has said that he barely had time to talk with Dylan about his new house and about what they were going to do that week.

But they had more than an hours worth of driving and they ate dinner and went to the store. And then came home and played nerf ball. So how come he said they didnt have enough time to discuss things?

 

[mck16]

I would think a professional truck driver would want to have the use of a smart phone on the road. JMO

Why? And do we know for sure he was a truck driver? United Pipeline, if that is where he worked is a huge company and involves much more than truck driving. This company is all over the world. And also do we know that is in fact where he works? ty

 

[Confusion]

I would think a professional truck driver would want to have the use of a smart phone on the road. JMO

I would think a professional truck driver (which has never been confirmed to be his job) would also know how to turn off a phone. MOO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I guess my main question is what if there was no cell phone involved at all. Would this be a mystery that could not be solved. Can we think out of the box and find answers? The cell phone drives me crazy. Maybe DR was involved with talking and visiting with his dad and that's why his texts were limited and short. What is wrong with thinking that? Why does it have to be so ominous? jmo

I can see a possible scenario where Dylan interacted with his dad, maybe did a couple of mundane things, got tired and went to sleep. No more texts. MOO.

 

[katydid23]

Why? And do we know for sure he was a truck driver? United Pipeline, if that is where he worked is a huge company and involves much more than truck driving. This company is all over the world. And also do we know that is in fact where he works? ty

Why would a truck driver want a smart phone? Because he could have wifi wherever he was while on the road. I would think that would be a priority.

The only time I really appreciate my smart phone is when I am out and about and I have an emergency. JMO

 

[mck16]

MR has said that he barely had time to talk with Dylan about his new house and about what they were going to do that week.

But they had more than an hours worth of driving and they ate dinner and went to the store. And then came home and played nerf ball. So how come he said they didnt have enough time to discuss things?

Link please for bolded above. And I don't think it is an hours drive and we have no proof they had dinner. And what are the 'things' they were supposed to discuss. ty

 

[katydid23]

I can see a possible scenario where Dylan interacted with his dad, maybe did a couple of mundane things, got tired and went to sleep. No more texts. MOO.

What about the next morning?