CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #25

[TxJan1971]

Mark Redwine alerted law enforcement about Dylan’s absence just before 6 p.m. Nov. 19, Bender said.

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121128/NEWS01/121129612/Law-enforcement-says-missing-teenager-did-not-run-away--

 

[Dee10]

Jumping in here again kinda late. Hope it's okay to ask about the fishing pole and a few other things:

1) how far is the dad's home from this lake/reservoir?
2) how soon after he was missing did the dad call LE?
3) did he offer any guesses as to where Dylan may have gone?

What I'm trying to get at is this: if I lived close to a lake/reservoir and came home to find my child - and "maybe" a fishing pole missing - then I would head over to that lake/reservoir, thinking, "Huh. S/he must've gone fishing."

Sorry for all the questions... TIA!

Yes & he has said he went to a couple of Dylan's friends houses, but no mention of the lake, just the pole. Odd that he wouldn't have gone there first.

 

[asyousay]

Mark Redwine alerted law enforcement about Dylan’s absence just before 6 p.m. Nov. 19, Bender said.

http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121128/NEWS01/121129612/Law-enforcement-says-missing-teenager-did-not-run-away--

It's shocking when I look at that time frame . So roughly from 8pm until MR turns up for his appointment is unaccounted for and then 11ish till 4ish nobody knows what MR was up to.

It's no wonder nothing can be found IMO if it's not a stranger who did this !

 

[Old_Hippie]

Or it could because they have no idea on what to do next .

Or they do know what to do next, but don't have the evidence required to do it. Unless something miraculous happens, given the snow and weather there, I don't think that there will be much activity on this case until spring, when LE may or may not resume searches. I can see this case going on unsolved for a very long time, especially if Dylan isn't found.

I feel as though something very awful happened and haven't been feeling very hopeful lately. Even if he is eventually found (I hate to even say it) deceased, there still may not be enough evidence to ever conclusively identify or arrest whoever is responsible. The more time passes, the more useful evidence, like fingerprints and DNA are compromised by the elements.

However, sometimes the location itself can be a vital clue, if it's on private and not public land and the suspect can be tied to the location. That's pretty rare though, and that area is surrounded by vasts amounts of public land.

This case is so frustrating! :banghead:

 

[TxJan1971]

Belimom,
Here's a map: Durango Airport, WalMart, McDonalds, Vallecito Reservoir, MR's Home

http://goo.gl/maps/mEUwC

 

[belimom]

1) I believe approximately 4 miles (anyone have anything different?)
2) I believe 6:00 p.m. (will check and update if incorrect)
3) Copied and pasted from a previous post

From the article below, it appears that MR may believe 1 of 2 things happened.

1) Something happened at the lake
2) Dylan was hitchhiking and a stranger picked him up (reporter's words) and Dylan is "not in the area" (MR's words)

http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_22063185

Reporter: Mark Redwine said Sunday that he hadn't been able to find the boy's fishing rod.

MR: "I question why it has taken this long to start scouring the lake because from Day One they have known it is likely he had a fishing pole with him," Redwine, 52, said.

Reporter: Information he received from the boy's friends suggests that Dylan was hitchhiking when he disappeared, Redwine said.

MR: "It sounds to me like he's not even in the area," he said.

Reporter: He said he is concerned that a stranger could have picked up the teen and abducted him.

r/bbm

Has LE given any indication that the friends actually did say that Dylan was hitchhiking? What did the friends say? I know this is probably embedded in the previous 24 threads somewhere but please don't ask me to go read it all... :what:

If the friends really said that, then, well... I'm inclined to believe them. Otherwise, I think of other things instead.

If the dad came back at 11:30, he actually took until 6pm to notify authorities? Did he ever check the reservoir himself? It just seems odd to me that for a court-ordered visit for a boy who may not be that familiar with the area that you wouldn't go there yourself or look. Maybe he did go look, or did he say that he just waited at home? Hmmm.

Thanks again for any answers.

 

[cluciano63]

r/bbm

Has LE given any indication that the friends actually did say that Dylan was hitchhiking? What did the friends say? I know this is probably embedded in the previous 24 threads somewhere but please don't ask me to go read it all... :what:

If the friends really said that, then, well... I'm inclined to believe them. Otherwise, I think of other things instead.

If the dad came back at 11:30, he actually took until 6pm to notify authorities? Did he ever check the reservoir himself? It just seems odd to me that for a court-ordered visit for a boy who may not be that familiar with the area that you wouldn't go there yourself or look. Maybe he did go look, or did he say that he just waited at home? Hmmm.

Thanks again for any answers.

From what we know, friends said Dylan had hitched once before and in their minds, initially, they felt it was a possibility. I don't think it is quite as the reporter worded it, however, IMO.

 

[Dee10]

In the Victoria Stafford case, her little body was found in a very remote location roughly 45 minutes or so away. One of the people charged grew-up near-by.

 

[belimom]

Yes & he has said he went to a couple of Dylan's friends houses, but no mention of the lake, just the pole. Odd that he wouldn't have gone there first.

I can think of one reason someone may not want to search a certain location: if they know that's where he is and they don't want to place themselves at the scene.

I haven't followed close enough to give my opinion one way or the other (I think I followed early on...).

 

[NC Analyzer]

From what we know, friends said Dylan had hitched once before and in their minds, initially, they felt it was a possibility. I don't think it is quite as the reporter worded it, however, IMO.

Dylan wasn't "unfamiliar" with the area. He lived in that area up until July 2012.

As far as hitchhiking, it has been stated that he only hitched 1 time, and that was with a group of friends, in town, during a snowstorm, from the library.

 

[Old_Hippie]

r/bbm

Has LE given any indication that the friends actually did say that Dylan was hitchhiking? What did the friends say? I know this is probably embedded in the previous 24 threads somewhere but please don't ask me to go read it all... :what:

If the friends really said that, then, well... I'm inclined to believe them. Otherwise, I think of other things instead.

If the dad came back at 11:30, he actually took until 6pm to notify authorities? Did he ever check the reservoir himself? It just seems odd to me that for a court-ordered visit for a boy who may not be that familiar with the area that you wouldn't go there yourself or look. Maybe he did go look, or did he say that he just waited at home? Hmmm.

Thanks again for any answers.

I have no link for this, but recall that a friend had mentioned that Dylan had been known to hitchhike in the past. There was one particular incident mentioned about Dylan a couple of friends being caught in a snowstorm coming back from somewhere (a library, IIRC), and that Dylan had gotten them a ride home with someone passing by (i.e., hitchhiked). Hence, it was stated that "Dylan was known to hitchhike." Please consider that a paraphrase.

I haven't heard of any friend actually saying that Dylan was hitchhiking on the day he disappeared, because nobody spoke to him or heard from him at all after 8 PM on the Sunday night, so nobody would know what he did.

 

[TxJan1971]

Thank you TxJan...interesting. .. and your thoughts too South Aussie- solitary....one that might not talk a lot, but keeps their ears open

As far as MR- devil's advocate here...is is possible he is just as clueless as many others are? and his mannerisms, etc. just don't translate well in to the type of behavior 'we' want to see from him?
Is is possible he knows something, but just doesn't know he knows it? Like the right question hasn't been asked yet, that could spur an 'aha' moment?

As an aside, Michael Devlin had no prior criminal record prior to kidnapping Shawn Hornbeck- could there be another loner-"A Big Friendly Marshmallow" - out there somewhere?? (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1578131,00.html)

yes I so want all of these children who have seemingly disappeared to be marvelously found

BBM
Absolutely! There "could" be... However, based on Lt. Ed Phippen who stated he didn't think there was a sex offender in the area (not verbatim)... I had previously researched past history of missing kids on the NCMEC website.

Here's the previous post:

Not sure if this information was brought up/discussed before, but I just checked the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children's website. I first searched for all male children missing from Colorado over the last five years. It came up with a total of 6 boys, including Dylan. Of those 6 missing kids, 1 is Dylan, 1 is a runaway from 2011, and the remaining four are all very young and were reportedly abducted by a family member.

Then I did a second search - this time for a 12 year period of time - from 2000 to Dec. 2012, and it only came up with four more for a total of 10 boys missing, including Dylan. Of the 10, 1 was Dylan, 2 were runaways (2001 and 2011), two brothers about age 7 and 9 (if I remember correctly, it was suspected that there may have been family abuse related to the boys disappearance), and the remaining ones were again reportedly abducted by family member.

Overall, there doesn't appear to be any 'current' incidents of unsolved male child abductions by strangers that I could see.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Please state where anyone in this thread has stated that Cory is lying - as opposed to being misinformed.

No. If you go back and read in its entirety my post <modsnip> it will be seen that my post includes giving false information as one of the possibilities given regarding Cory's recent statement.

<modsnip>

 

[jjenny]

Dylan wasn't "unfamiliar" with the area. He lived in that area up until July 2012.

As far as hitchhiking, it has been stated that he only hitched 1 time, and that was with a group of friends, in town, during a snowstorm, from the library.

But he lived in Bayfield, not Vallecito.

 

[Kimster]

I just flew in from the Omicron Delta region and reviewed the alerts. There are a LOT from this thread. The mods took care of them already but I need to tell you that I'm considering having the mods close the thread at night so they don't have as much work to do. It's all up to you guys. Just wanted to let you all know ahead of time.

 

[Kimster]

And as for you, TxJan1971 ?

Your avatar is a crack up! :kimsterwink:

 

[TxJan1971]

But he lived in Bayfield, not Vallecito.

Right! He lived in Bayfield from 2004 until July 2012 when he moved with his mom/Cory to Colorado Springs. In 2007, his parents got divorced. Dylan stayed with his mom/Cory in Bayfield and his dad moved to Vallecito.

Mark apparently lived in Vallecito from 2007-2012, so Dylan "may" be familiar with Vallecito, if he actually spent time there with his dad. We don't know how often he visited Vallecito, because I seem to remember reading that he didn't spend much time with his dad since he was out of town a lot.

 

[Confusion]

No. If you go back and read in its entirety my post from which you snipped a mere portion of a statement it will be seen that my post includes giving false information as one of the possibilities given regarding Cory's recent statement.

IMO snipping a post out of context often creates problems.

IMO the post if simply read in its entirety nullifies the task of which you requested.

I think there is a big difference between accusing someone of lying and saying that they may have been misinformed about something. You included in your other post the idea of him GIVING false information, while PaulR was saying that he may have BEEN GIVEN misinformation. A world of difference in my mind. MOO

 

[NC Analyzer]

But he lived in Bayfield, not Vallecito.

As I understand it, there isn't much difference and it appears that locals routinely run between Durango, Vallecito and Bayfield. Besides, I would HOPE Dylan had been to his dad's house prior to his recent visits...I do recall something about ER owning the cabin/cottage MR is living in and deeding that property and the marital home over to him in the divorce. If that was accurate, I would think Dylan had spent some time at the family property in Vallecito, so not a strange place to him. JMO

 

[TxJan1971]

And as for you, TxJan1971 ?

Your avatar is a crack up! :kimsterwink:

Smiling. There were so many innuendos about BANDWAGONS in here that I felt the need to have my own and just recruit. Note that my wagon is all alone....

Only requirement for jumping on my "WAGON" is that you have to play a musical instrument and help "make some noise".

:floorlaugh:

Glad you got a chuckle... helps lighten things up sometimes.