CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #25

[princessk]

This case is so obvious....I'm taking a break because I am tired of hearing CR and ER getting analyzed and such....think I'll sit back until Dylan is found and the right person is prosecuted. I have confidence that LE will make this happen, and hopefully soon.

 

[Confusion]

I just flew in from the Omicron Delta region and reviewed the alerts. There are a LOT from this thread. The mods took care of them already but I need to tell you that I'm considering having the mods close the thread at night so they don't have as much work to do. It's all up to you guys. Just wanted to let you all know ahead of time.

Forget it. I missed the "at night" when I read it.

 

[aust amateur slueth]

Right! He lived in Bayfield from 2004 until July 2012 when he moved with his mom/Cory to Colorado Springs. In 2007, his parents got divorced. Dylan stayed with his mom/Cory in Bayfield and his dad moved to Vallecito.

Mark apparently lived in Vallecito from 2007-2012, so Dylan "may" be familiar with Vallecito, if he actually spent time there with his dad. We don't know how often he visited Vallecito, because I seem to remember reading that he didn't spend much time with his dad since he was out of town a lot.

IIRC it was the last 3 years that MR hadn't spent much time with Dylan, the reason given was that MR was away for work a lot.

but IMO 3 years ago was when CR turned 18, so could it be possible that visits dropped off because dylan didn't want to go on his own?

 

[Confusion]

Smiling. There were so many innuendos about BANDWAGONS in here that I felt the need to have my own and just recruit. Note that my wagon is all alone....

Only requirement for jumping on my "WAGON" is that you have to play a musical instrument and help "make some noise".

:floorlaugh:

Glad you got a chuckle... helps lighten things up sometimes.

Well, I've been on the wagon for a lot of years, but never one with a band. :fence:

 

[Old_Hippie]

It's shocking when I look at that time frame . So roughly from 8pm until MR turns up for his appointment is unaccounted for and then 11ish till 4ish nobody knows what MR was up to.

It's no wonder nothing can be found IMO if it's not a stranger who did this !

This timeframe is one of the most unsettling aspects of the case, IMO. It has been said that MR went to Dylan's friend's house at some time after 3 PM and called ER around 4 or 4:30 to ask if she had heard from Dylan, IIRC. ER called LE. I'm not sure whether MR or ER phoned LE first. Maybe someone knows the answer to that.

 

[rebeccaeee]

As I understand it, there isn't much difference and it appears that locals routinely run between Durango, Vallecito and Bayfield. Besides, I would HOPE Dylan had been to his dad's house prior to his recent visits...I do recall something about ER owning the cabin/cottage MR is living in and deeding that property and the marital home over to him in the divorce. If that was accurate, I would think Dylan had spent some time at the family property in Vallecito, so not a strange place to him. JMO

I thought the property ER deeded to him in the divorce is down in Bayfield proper on Windmill Drive (currently owned by MR but not occupied by him). The Vallecito property is his alone and I do not think the family ever lived there.

 

[TxJan1971]

I just flew in from the Omicron Delta region and reviewed the alerts. There are a LOT from this thread. The mods took care of them already but I need to tell you that I'm considering having the mods close the thread at night so they don't have as much work to do. It's all up to you guys. Just wanted to let you all know ahead of time.

Why can't someone just be appointed as the "DR Room Commando" to do what my mom used to do when 5 of us constantly arguing and getting into squabbles all the time. All she would have to do is start counting...very loudly....

1................ 2................ 3.............

If she got to 3 and we hadn't stopped fighting, we'd all get sent to our rooms without dinner!

We usually pushed her to 3 1/2 though, just to mess with her... :great:

Or she would force us to sit in front of one another and all hold hands without talking for an hour.

We could all be forced to hold hands virtually - not be allowed to talk about the case for an hour, and maybe sing ba yah....

 

[Chili Fries]

I have no link for this, but recall that a friend had mentioned that Dylan had been known to hitchhike in the past. There was one particular incident mentioned about Dylan a couple of friends being caught in a snowstorm coming back from somewhere (a library, IIRC), and that Dylan had gotten them a ride home with someone passing by (i.e., hitchhiked). Hence, it was stated that "Dylan was known to hitchhike." Please consider that a paraphrase.

I haven't heard of any friend actually saying that Dylan was hitchhiking on the day he disappeared, because nobody spoke to him or heard from him at all after 8 PM on the Sunday night, so nobody would know what he did.

Here's the interview with two of his friends:

Link to Video

It should start right when the interview starts. If not, it starts at about the 6:13 mark. Unfortunately it's hard to hear and, for some reason, music has been added to the already hard to hear video.

In the video, RN and WH talk about Dylan hitchhiking that one time. They were also mentioned in the Durango Herald article as saying "Dylan wasn’t shy about hitching rides" (the reporter's words, not a quote).

In the video above, RN also says Dylan would have "got a hold of one of us (the friends)" for a ride after Dylan got up Monday morning.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Smiling. There were so many innuendos about BANDWAGONS in here that I felt the need to have my own and just recruit. Note that my wagon is all alone....

Only requirement for jumping on my "WAGON" is that you have to play a musical instrument and help "make some noise".

:floorlaugh:

Glad you got a chuckle... helps lighten things up sometimes.

Just beware of the dysentery and brain fever. They always got me on the Oregon Trail.

 

[Old_Hippie]

Smiling. There were so many innuendos about BANDWAGONS in here that I felt the need to have my own and just recruit. Note that my wagon is all alone....

Only requirement for jumping on my "WAGON" is that you have to play a musical instrument and help "make some noise".

:floorlaugh:

Glad you got a chuckle... helps lighten things up sometimes.

I do both, where does the line form? LOL!

 

[TxJan1971]

I thought the property ER deeded to him in the divorce is down in Bayfield proper on Windmill Drive (currently owned by MR but not occupied by him). The Vallecito property is his alone and I do not think the family ever lived there.

I believe you are correct. I thought I read somewhere that ER gave the Vallecito property to MR (either it was hers originally or she gave him her 1/2) as well as the Bayfield property. I'll have to go look to see where I read that or maybe my mind is going...

 

[TxJan1971]

I do both, where does the line form? LOL!

Hired! Think I'll have to update my avatar now cos I got my first passenger.

 

[Old_Hippie]

I thought the property ER deeded to him in the divorce is down in Bayfield proper on Windmill Drive (currently owned by MR but not occupied by him). The Vallecito property is his alone and I do not think the family ever lived there.

That's interesting. I wonder if it's rented / occupied or vacant.

 

[NC Analyzer]

I thought the property ER deeded to him in the divorce is down in Bayfield proper on Windmill Drive (currently owned by MR but not occupied by him). The Vallecito property is his alone and I do not think the family ever lived there.

I admit I'm not well versed on which property(ies) MR got out of the divorce, so that may be correct. I do know there are rumors that ER quit claimed all of her property(ies) to Mark in the divorce and some have said he was kind of a mooch during their marriage and she was the one who paid the bills. But, as I said, that is strictly a rumor. Hopefully he did support his family and was entitled to an equitable property division. JMO

 

[mmmagique]

Normal in whose opinion?

That's a fair enough question. (and I do appreciate many of your questions!)

In law, there is such a thing as a reasonable person. Perhaps we should use that term instead of "normal" (which as you've pointed out is very subjective)

hypothetical “reasonable person” or “reasonably prudent person.” According to

Black’s Law Dictionary, a “reasonable person” (also termed a “reasonably prudent person”) is defined as follows:

A hypothetical person used as a legal standard, esp. to determine whether someone acted with negligence; specif., a person who exercises the degree of attention, knowledge, intelligence, and judgment that society requires of its members for the protection of their own and of others' interests. The reasonable person acts sensibly, does things without serious delay, and takes proper but not excessive precautions.

I think it can be argued that MR is not acting as a "reasonable person" in the same situation would. Where is his anger, his outrage, his crying out for his son?

Just from the outside, it appears that he is doing nothing. Not talking to his ex wife or his older son-the brother of his missing younger son. Not talking to the press trying to get his son's picture out into the general public, and (speculatively) not taking a second poly.

He does not appear to be the "reasonable person" to me.

 

[Old_Hippie]

Here's the interview with two of his friends:

Link to Video

It should start right when the interview starts. If not, it starts at about the 6:13 mark. Unfortunately it's hard to hear and, for some reason, music has been added to the already hard to hear video.

In the video, RN and WH talk about Dylan hitchhiking that one time. They were also mentioned in the Durango Herald article as saying "Dylan wasn’t shy about hitching rides" (the reporter's words, not a quote).

In the video above, RN also says Dylan would have "got a hold of one of us (the friends)" for a ride after Dylan got up Monday morning.

Thanks for the link.

 

[NC Analyzer]

I believe you are correct. I thought I read somewhere that ER gave the Vallecito property to MR (either it was hers originally or she gave him her 1/2) as well as the Bayfield property. I'll have to go look to see where I read that or maybe my mind is going...

See, that's what I thought, too. I hope you find something on this. It is unusual that the husband has both properties. ER must not have cared all that much about these properties. JMO

 

[Confusion]

<SNIP>
He does not appear to be the "reasonable person" to me.

That's a big part of the problem. He doesn't seem that unreasonable to me considering the circumstances. If my adult child and my ex both accused me of hurting my child, or worse, and the press not only printed their accusations, but added their own rumors to it, I wouldn't care to speak with any of them either. As long as he is speaking with LE, and cooperating with them (which they say he is), I see no reason for him to be required to subject himself to more criticism, insults, accusations and rumors just to appease the general public or the people who have engaged in the actions. JMO

 

[Chili Fries]

I believe you are correct. I thought I read somewhere that ER gave the Vallecito property to MR (either it was hers originally or she gave him her 1/2) as well as the Bayfield property. I'll have to go look to see where I read that or maybe my mind is going...

You may have read it in a comment family friend Denise Hess (under her FB name Katt) wrote as a response to an inflammatory comment a daughter of Mark's friend posted on a Nancy Grace story about Dylan (I know, it's confusing).

FYI, we are not allowed to discuss that here because of the inflammatory nature of the original comment and because this stuff falls under the class of Facebook rumours.

 

[TxJan1971]

This timeframe is one of the most unsettling aspects of the case, IMO. It has been said that MR went to Dylan's friend's house at some time after 3 PM and called ER around 4 or 4:30 to ask if she had heard from Dylan, IIRC. ER called LE. I'm not sure whether MR or ER phoned LE first. Maybe someone knows the answer to that.

Here's what is in MSM and then what was said on Nancy Grace:

Mark said he tried texting Dylan all afternoon in an area with spotty cell phone service.

When he didn't hear anything back by late afternoon, he went to Dylan's friend's house in Vallecito. That friend hadn't seen him.

Mark became alarmed and drove the 20 miles to Bayfield. Dylan's friends there hadn't seen him either. Mark called Elaine Redwine and went to the Bayfield Marshal's Office.

http://www.canoncitydailyrecord.com/ci_22110078/dad-its-wait-wonder

versus

NANCY GRACE TRANSCRIPT
"GRACE: Everyone, taking your calls is Dylan`s mother. Now, Ms. Redwine, was -- did there come a time when you learned that Dylan was missing? How did that happen?

REDWINE: Well, his dad texted me at around, oh, 4:30. Maybe it was closer to 5:00 on Monday. And I texted him back. You know, it was like, Well, we should call the sheriff. So I went ahead and I actually called the sheriff that day. I don’t know if Mark had called the sheriff that day, either, but I called the sheriff right after I got the text from Mark. I went to my house, picked up a bag, grabbed my oldest son, Corey (ph), and we came to Durango."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../03/ng.01.html


LE Bender made a statement (in a previous post of mine) that MR notified the Sheriff's Office at 6:00 p.m. I'll find the link if necessary.