CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #26

[Psychic Sleuth]

The problem is no word from LE. We know next to nothing. If they have their radar on MR I could see them being very tight lipped at this point. But if they have cleared him and he truly is not a suspect in any way I wish they would come out and say so. Their statements are just too vague.

 

[azgrandma]

About the polygraphs. We really don't know what happened with them, since LE said they will not comment on the results. How would ER know whether Mark's poly was inconclusive or he failed or he passed? Since they are divorced, I don't think LE would tell her one way or the other, even if she asked, simply because they are not obligated to. Or they might tell her he passed or failed, just to gauge her reaction.

It's not uncommon for these polygraphs to be inconclusive, though. Not too many distraught parents can manage to pass one with flying colors the first time, whether they're guilty or innocent. The shock of the situation alone affects the results.

I watched a show on Investigation ID (I think that was it - my guilty pleasure)
A 16 yo girl was found murdered in the bathroom of her mom's apt. The girl had just recently moved in with mom because of stress with dad & his wife. The dad took a poly and failed. He said that LE asked him to do a second and he was allowed to tell them what questions bothered him and asked that they ask it in a different way. He passed.
Turned out that a neighbor boy killed her and he was arrested a couple years later. Really interesting story because LE was sent in the wrong direction to begin with because the girl wrote about a boyfriend in her diary and they determined that the boyfriend was just her imagination.

I do know that in polys if there is deception, the examiner will let you know and allow you to discuss it. At least when it's for a job, not sure how it is with an investigation.
I was told that most women show deception when it comes to answering questions about intimate relations because they are more sensitive about sharing that info vs men.

 

[Tennlyn]

I think it is interesting that LE said a week or two ago that they had some evidence back from forensic testing - and then we have not heard a thing. It seems if the evidence led them anywhere, there would be some chatter about following up on it.

Also - since that comment was reported, ER has basically retracted her statement about MR.

CR seems to be frustrated that MR has not taken a new poly, but the truth is, we don't know that MR has not done such. LE sure is not coming out and saying that MR is no longer cooperating. I think if MR was refusing to cooperate or if the evidence was pointing in his direction, we would be hearing something, even if it was only rumors.

As far as I know - we aren't even hearing rumors? (NOT that we can discuss them here )

So, my question is, what direction is the investigation heading in? Is it, indeed, heading away from MR? It sure looks like it, to me. I don't know, but I would think if the evidence was pointing at MR, at this point, they would have picked him up and held him for a day or two?

UGH!

Salem

nevermind

 

[The Cheese]

About the polygraphs. We really don't know what happened with them, since LE said they will not comment on the results. How would ER know whether Mark's poly was inconclusive or he failed or he passed? Since they are divorced, I don't think LE would tell her one way or the other, even if she asked, simply because they are not obligated to. Or they might tell her he passed or failed, just to gauge her reaction.

It's not uncommon for these polygraphs to be inconclusive, though. Not too many distraught parents can manage to pass one with flying colors the first time, whether they're guilty or innocent. The shock of the situation alone affects the results.

I don't think the police would give the poly results on MR to ER because they are no longer related, and there are privacy law considerations I would think.

ER was so unsure in the NG interview about the poly, even unsure that MR had taken one at all. Nothing negative about ER - she, like all parents of a missing child, was in shock and stressed, and I doubt she'd ever done an interview on national TV before. Nevertheless, it was difficult for me to understand what she was trying to say with any certainty. I wish a reporter would ask her to clarify, and let her know about it before the interview, so she had a chance to get her thoughts together, rather than have it sprung on her.

 

[SCHMAE]

This is on yahoo news this morning and very interesting. A kidnapped girl, years later, stating that the kidnapping actually saved her !

http://news.yahoo.com/20-years-katie-beers-says-kidnapping-saved-her-080144010.html

Im not even beginning to imply that dylan had so bad a home life that a kidnapping would save him !!!!
I'm just showing another side that is interesting. In many of these cases ( not this one) the lives at
home seem so bad that being removed from those circumstances may actually be a blessing !

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I have to believe by now that they have MR's cell phone records. If his phone pinged anywhere other than where he says he was, I don't think it would be enough for an arrest but would certainly raise red flags. I would think if there was any evidence of foul play in his house or his vehicles on top of cell phone pings (in area's other than where he stated he was) that might be enough for an arrest....especially if there was an inconclusive or failed polygraph. But the bottom line is IF they have their sights on him and they think he did something it would make the strongest case to have a body too.

I have to agree with what many others have said. Either they are watching him or they have nothing on him. If they have nothing on him they would be looking into stranger abduction or other family members. And I can't help but think if they think this was a stranger abduction they would be doing more to get his name and pictures out in the public.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

If LE thinks this is a stranger abduction, for all they know he is alive somewhere. So why no urgency in finding him?

 

[scorekeeper]

I have to believe by now that they have MR's cell phone records. If his phone pinged anywhere other than where he says he was, I don't think it would be enough for an arrest but would certainly raise red flags. I would think if there was any evidence of foul play in his house or his vehicles on top of cell phone pings (in area's other than where he stated he was) that might be enough for an arrest....especially if there was an inconclusive or failed polygraph. But the bottom line is IF they have their sights on him and they think he did something it would make the strongest case to have a body too.

I have to agree with what many others have said. Either they are watching him or they have nothing on him. If they have nothing on him they would be looking into stranger abduction or other family members. And I can't help but think if they think this was a stranger abduction they would be doing more to get his name and pictures out in the public.

BBM

This is what causes me to get a headache....:banghead:

If Dylan was taken by a stranger or even an acquaintance, why the silence from LE. I would be outraged if I lived there.

LE's silence makes me think they are knowledgeable about what happened to Dylan and that somehow Mark is possibly involved and they are slowly gathering the evidence they need. I'm thinking the evidence they received back is helping them build their case against the last person to see Dylan.

JMO

 

[Dee10]

I believe this should be listed as one of the few facts we have in this case as it is a direct quote from Bender:

“There’s a combination of factors,” Bender said. “There’s been the passage of time without any sightings; Dylan was not a visitor but had friends here; he has a history of staying in contact with his family and friends; and there’s been nothing on his cellphone record since he was reported missing.”

http://durangoherald.com/article/20...1/Dylan-Redwine-did-not-run-away-police-say--

He also said on NG "...there`s been no activity on his phone whatsoever since Sunday evening sometime." http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1211/28/ng.01.html

 

[The Cheese]

The problem is no word from LE. We know next to nothing. If they have their radar on MR I could see them being very tight lipped at this point. But if they have cleared him and he truly is not a suspect in any way I wish they would come out and say so. Their statements are just too vague.

In some of these cases they can go on for years with police never clearing anybody, even after they've named a POI or suspect. I think Michelle Parker would be an example of POI named, but no one else announced as cleared. Kyron Horman is kind of a loose example because LE has never specifically named the stepmother, but it's clear who their focus is. They've never cleared anyone else so far as I can think of.

It's seemed to me that police don't clear unless they have specific, definite evidence pointing to an individual. An example would be Jessica Ridgeway. It seemed to me they didn't clear her parents publicly until they got DNA back from her backpack and possibly a DNA match to the jogger incident.

:twocents: :twocents: :twocents:

 

[Dee10]

GRACE: OK. So his whereabouts are accounted for. Question. Sergeant, was there any activity on the home telephone or the computer while Dad was gone?

BENDER: Those are things that the investigators have looked into, and I don`t have that information.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1211/28/ng.01.html

 

[LWoods]

That statement makes my heart heavy. I pray to God it doesn't come to fruition.

It really is a terrible, awful, no good, very bad thought. I wish I didn't have it.

 

[The Cheese]

I believe this should be listed as one of the few facts we have in this case as it is a direct quote from Bender:

“There’s a combination of factors,” Bender said. “There’s been the passage of time without any sightings; Dylan was not a visitor but had friends here; he has a history of staying in contact with his family and friends; and there’s been nothing on his cellphone record since he was reported missing.”

http://durangoherald.com/article/20...1/Dylan-Redwine-did-not-run-away-police-say--

He also said on NG "...there`s been no activity on his phone whatsoever since Sunday evening sometime." http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1211/28/ng.01.html

I'm going to kiss you and add one more too. Although not a direct quote, it's one of the few things reported as coming from LE about the phone.

The La Plata County Sheriff’s Department says the boy’s cell phone has been turned off for several days, and they can’t track it down.

This is national public radio in CO on Nov 26th -

http://radiocoloradocollege.org/2012/11/searchers-still-seek-clues-to-missing-colorado-springs-boy/

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

But the NO ACTIVITY does not necessarily mean the phone was dead or inoperable. And I guess there's no way for the phone company to tell? Or is there? My understanding is that the phone will still ping unless the battery was removed (or died) or the phone was destroyed or inoperable. I am just as confused over the cell phone as I am the dogs!!!

I think the odds of the phone battery dying or the phone itself dying right before he went missing are ridiculous. Possible? Yes Probable? No

 

[Confusion]

The thing to keep in mind is that we only know that Dylan did not use the phone after 8pm. We do not know if the phone was on or not after that point, or what time/location the phone was last communicating with a cell tower.

I really wish people would do more extensive research on how that all works. I don't have the eyesight or the desire to read through all of it to find a complete explanation, but I would think that someone willing to condemn a man based on it (unofficially, not legally) would want to know what they're basing their judgment on. Maybe I should go get a part time job for a while so I can explain it! :banghead:

I know, scroll and roll - or whatever the phrase is. :twocents:

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

GRACE: OK. So his whereabouts are accounted for. Question. Sergeant, was there any activity on the home telephone or the computer while Dad was gone?

BENDER: Those are things that the investigators have looked into, and I don`t have that information.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1211/28/ng.01.html

Did he truly not have that information or was he not willing to share it?

 

[Confusion]

But the NO ACTIVITY does not necessarily mean the phone was dead or inoperable. And I guess there's no way for the phone company to tell? Or is there? My understanding is that the phone will still ping unless the battery was removed (or died) or the phone was destroyed or inoperable. I am just as confused over the cell phone as I am the dogs!!!

I think the odds of the phone battery dying or the phone itself dying right before he went missing are ridiculous. Possible? Yes Probable? No

I did find a link explaining why the pings aren't saved when the phone isn't in use. I'll edit this to add it when I find my post that included it. The main thing is that when the phone pings the tower, it overwrites the previous ping. Phones continuously send pings in areas where there's no/poor reception, which drains batteries very quickly, so I don't find it hard to believe the battery would go dead at any time. MOO

ETA link
http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2007/12/cells-tracking.html

 

[Dee10]

Did he truly not have that information or was he not willing to share it?

:floorlaugh: An important question like that, he knew IMO. "Those are things that the investigators have looked into, and I don`t have that information." He didn't say they were waiting on that info. either.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I did find a link explaining why the pings aren't saved when the phone isn't in use. I'll edit this to add it when I find my post that included it. The main thing is that when the phone pings the tower, it overwrites the previous ping. Phones continuously send pings in areas where there's no/poor reception, which drains batteries very quickly, so I don't find it hard to believe the battery would go dead at any time. MOO

ETA link
http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2007/12/cells-tracking.html

This article is from 2007. Is it possible things have changed and cell phone providers are now storing ping data? At the end of the article it states that this would not be difficult to do.

So according to this all LE would be able to get off of Dylan's phone would be a general area of where it last pinged? Would this information give them date and time of last ping?

Now if a phone has gps (which I believe Dylan's didn't) they would be able to get much more precise location data correct? But would it be just the last gps location or would it be in greater detail? (I'm thinking about MR's phone)

 

[Confusion]

This article is from 2007. Is it possible things have changed and cell phone providers are now storing ping data? At the end of the article it states that this would not be difficult to do.

So according to this all LE would be able to get off of Dylan's phone would be a general area of where it last pinged? Would this information give them date and time of last ping?

Now if a phone has gps (which I believe Dylan's didn't) they would be able to get much more precise location data correct? But would it be just the last gps location or would it be in greater detail? (I'm thinking about MR's phone)

Sorry, I'm not allowed to discuss it. I think it's safe to say that phones with GPS work differently, but Dylan's didn't have it.