CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #26

[Eileen730]

If somebody knew about GPS the maybe that could explain the phone being broken ?

Maybe they did not know the phone was not capable of GPS and thought they had to kill the phone to stop the tracking of it ??

I think the phone was smashed! Or tossed into water!
JMO

 

[Eileen730]

I guess this just says his phone has been SHUT OFF for several days and they can't track it. The others say NO ACTIVITY since 8pm Sunday. Good point!

So no I guess there is nothing that says his phone was SHUT OFF ON SUNDAY AT 8PM.

Thanks for pointing that out!

I dont think it matters if it was on or off!
whats alarming is it was NOT being used! And 8 pm is the witching hour!

JMO

 

[The Cheese]

As far as I saw, it said there was no activity, as in no texts or calls. Doesn't mean it was shut off or had a dead battery at that point. It was later when LE released the statement that it had been shut off for a couple of days. It didn't say it was shut off right away.

Anything from LE about 8pm that you've seen, Seajay? Thanks.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

If somebody knew about GPS the maybe that could explain the phone being broken ?

Maybe they did not know the phone was not capable of GPS and thought they had to kill the phone to stop the tracking of it ??

It is my understanding that without GPS the phone would only show pings that would be triangulated to show a general location of the phone. One article shared here from 2007 says it will only show THE LAST ping location and nothing else. Although further reading tells me this may no longer be true. Either way he did not have GPS (as stated by Elaine) so there is no way to get an exact location of the phone.

I'm reading and learning. Although in those articles from Bessie there isn't much discussion about what (if anything) they can get if the phone is off.

It's apparent that the informationl provided by GPS is much more detailed than ping triangulation.

It's apparent that LE use of cell phone records is common and is not always obtained with a warrant.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Originally Posted by Allusonz
ER stated that there were no scent items and that someone was sent back on the weekend for them.

What I don't understand is why would they bring in the K9's if they had no scent articles on the Monday night and Tuesday. I would think they would send someone back immediately if that was required.

I can't believe a SAR team would waste not only their valuable time but everyone else's as well.

Originally Posted by Confusion
Unfortunately, the explanation for what happened (and the results of Monday's search) wasn't given on any approved sites so it is just rumor and can't be discussed. I believe there were items at the house with Dylan's scent on them, but none that had a "clean" scent. Everything was likely to have been contaminated with scents from other people. There are dogs trained to track people without scent items too (such as those that track escaped convicts), but I haven't heard if any trained that way were ever used. MOO
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WRT the subject of the K9's that were used in the initial stages of the case I believe that the LE/dog handlers attempted to use what they had as their only scent article at that point in time(ie. Articles from inside dad's home).. any who are familiar of how search K9s AND their training processes work, know this often times works so initially they would not have immediately concluded that Elaine would need to make arrangements to have Dylan's scent articles brought in from their home in Colorado City.. IMO this is why she did not IMMEDIATELY send for those scent articles as some question her delay..

IMO they wouldn't have known initially that her doing so would be necessary due to the fact that they IMO likely started off in hopes that what dad provided would be sufficient to pick up a scent trail for Dylan.. the way in which this is done is if there is only scent articles that may or may ot be contaminated with other person's scents they simply bring those other persons to the scene where the dogs then go about deciphering and eliminating that person's scent from the article being used..

In this case that contaminated scent would have been that of dad..so MR simply allows the dog(s) to obtain his own personal scent to which the dog then is instructed to eliminate that person's scent from the scent article.. for example if the scent article being used was the blanket or pillow on which DYLAN was supposed to have slept on Sunday night, 11/18..

If that blanket or pillow was found to contain multiple person's scent they would then go about the process of having the dog's eliminate Mark's scent..thereby their intention is to leave only the scent of the person of whom they're attempting to pick up their scent trail, Dylan..

This IMO was what was initially done in this case and is the reason why Elaine was not immediately told she would need to be able to have a scent article brought from their home 5 hours away.. IMO after having done the scent elimination process and having the dogs scent trail based on the scent article from dad's home IMO they for whatever reason were not satisfied with the result ..at that point theyre moving forward in attempting to try another type of K9 search using the HRD dogs at the lake..IMO they likely altogether, both LE and the dog handlers, agreed that it was worth attempting the scent trail process with a better, if possible, non contaminated scent article..at which time they then asked Elaine if she could arrange to get scent articles from their home in Colorado City...

IMO in the end it too likely failed to produce a viable Dylan scent trail as well..which IMO LE likely feared would end up being the case.<<---but of course this last statement is strictly MOO and what I, PERSONALLY find to be most probable.

All in all I believe the above described proess is likely what determined when and why Elaine became notified that they were going to attempt to scent trial with a more pure scent article of Dylan's from his home in CCity..jmo.

 

[Eileen730]

If that phone was ON LE would have known dylan made it to MR's home
If that phones battery died enroute when they got to the house the very first thing Dylan would do would have been to charge that phone.

MO is that phone was deactivated. wherever it was they were at 8 pm

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I dont think it matters if it was on or off!
whats alarming is it was NOT being used! And 8 pm is the witching hour!

JMO

It does matter to me. I think this is very important. If the phone was just not being used from say 8pm Sunday until 7am Monday but then it goes off this could tell me several things. It would tell me that IF something happened to Dylan Sunday night his phone was not destroyed (or dumped in the water) with him, for example.

 

[mck16]

It is my understanding that without GPS the phone would only show pings that would be triangulated to show a general location of the phone. One article shared here from 2007 says it will only show THE LAST ping location and nothing else. Although further reading tells me this may no longer be true. Either way he did not have GPS (as stated by Elaine) so there is no way to get an exact location of the phone.

I'm reading and learning. Although in those articles from Bessie there isn't much discussion about what (if anything) they can get if the phone is off.

It's apparent that the informationl provided by GPS is much more detailed than ping triangulation.

It's apparent that LE use of cell phone records is common and is not always obtained with a warrant.

I agree with you and also since the information re the cell phone came from LE, they are well aware of it. I would think that would be a priority for them to investigate. I can't help but think that what ever they found is not incriminating to anyone especially MR. But, if it is, why haven't they acted. He obviously still has his phone because of the things ER has said about him not contacting or responding to them. I am assuming they are trying to either text him or call him. If phone records indicate DR was not at MR's home that seems huge to me. I also believe they know the location of the phone when it stopped or was shut off. I just wish they would come out with some information. I also wish MR would come out and answer some questions and clear things up. jmo

 

[Eileen730]

It does matter to me. I think this is very important. If the phone was just not being used from say 8pm Sunday until 7am Monday but then it goes off this could tell me several things. It would tell me that IF something happened to Dylan Sunday night his phone was not destroyed (or dumped in the water) with him, for example.

This is true.

All Im going by is the 8 pm statements because that statement about it being off for a few days leads us to much more confusion.

Was it off and then someone tried to turn it on again Was it always on but no activity then was turned off on Monday sometime because if it was ON that phone would ping right? and they would have an area to search.

IM lost lol

Anyone else?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

It is my understanding that without GPS the phone would only show pings that would be triangulated to show a general location of the phone. One article shared here from 2007 says it will only show THE LAST ping location and nothing else. Although further reading tells me this may no longer be true. Either way he did not have GPS (as stated by Elaine) so there is no way to get an exact location of the phone.

I'm reading and learning. Although in those articles from Bessie there isn't much discussion about what (if anything) they can get if the phone is off.

It's apparent that the informationl provided by GPS is much more detailed than ping triangulation.

It's apparent that LE use of cell phone records is common and is not always obtained with a warrant.

BBM
If the phone only pinged (was in contact with) a single tower, triangulation would be impossible. How large of an area could the phone be in if it's only pinging with a single tower?

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

This is true.

All Im going by is the 8 pm statements because that statement about it being off for a few days leads us to much more confusion.

Was it off and then someone tried to turn it on again Was it always on but no activity then was turned off on Monday sometime because if it was ON that phone would ping right? and they would have an area to search.

IM lost lol

Anyone else?

From what I understand this is correct. So this is huge!

 

[Chili Fries]

BBM
If the phone only pinged (was in contact with) a single tower, triangulation would be impossible. How large of an area could the phone be in if it's only pinging with a single tower?

Some towers do have directional antennae, so theoretically that could narrow it down some (think of a piece of pie instead of the whole round pie). But we don't know what type of tower his phone last pinged off and even a directional antennae wouldn't be much, if any, help finding the actual phone, since there would still be a large search area.

 

[Dee10]

Since there appears to be only one tower, they wouldn't have been able to triangulate so I would assume it would be possibly a very large area.

I would think there would be a way to know if the phone was off or on. For instance, when I call my husband it will sometimes say "the customer you have dialed is out of range or currently out of the area" or if the phone is shut-off "the customer you have dialed has their phone shut off.

I live in a very rural area too & my the battery in my old phone still lasted for several days. My smart phone is terrible!

 

[SmoothOperator]

No activity on the Cell phone is the one factor that makes me believe that something happend to him at 8 pm something happend to him when his phone went silent.


jmo

As far as I saw, it said there was no activity, as in no texts or calls. Doesn't mean it was shut off or had a dead battery at that point. It was later when LE released the statement that it had been shut off for a couple of days. It didn't say it was shut off right away.

I guess this just says his phone has been SHUT OFF for several days and they can't track it. The others say NO ACTIVITY since 8pm Sunday. Good point!

So no I guess there is nothing that says his phone was SHUT OFF ON SUNDAY AT 8PM.

Thanks for pointing that out!

Strictly based upon what very little info that we've been provided IMO going with LE statements alone lead me to personally believe that the phone was in no working order sometime shortly after 8pm, Sunday 11/18..

How I came to this personal conclusion is via a couple of different statements we have regarding Dylan's cell phone.. We have LE state that his phone was no longer in use at any point thereafter those several minutes after 8pm.. we know for fact that R attempted to re-establish contact with DYLAN a mere hour later at 9:27pm to which Dylan never responded.. IMO *if* the cell phone was still on as some believe it to have been(and only indicative that no one was communicating via text/call, but yet phone was still on and/or in working order)..<<-- if that were the case then R's 9:27pm text message would have registered therefor IMO LE would have stated that the last trace of Dylan's phone would have been at some point after 9:27pm, rather than the few minutes after 8pm as we were told..

If Dylan's phone was still on and in working order it would have not only been well after 9pm that its last trace of it existed, but also would have a registered ping from his phone to the nearest cell tower at 9:27pm..
But yet we know per LE that the last identifiable point occurred just a few mins after 8pm..

Add to that the statement from LE soon thereafter that Dylan's phone had been off/non-traceable/non-functioning for several days rendering it of zero ability to be tracked or traced..

Imo (and again I'll reiterate that this is my own person opinion) in looking at what tiny bit we know.. in total sum for me personally, I believe the minutes after 8pm statement by LE is indicating that at that point the phone ceased to exist as far as tracing/tracking abilities as well as usage/ability to establish any contact with his phone...IMO all of the above abrubtly ceased to exist minutes after 8pm, Sunday 11/18<<----MOO!MOO!MOO!

 

[Eileen730]

Strictly based upon what very little info that we've been provided IMO going with LE statements alone lead me to personally believe that the phone was in no working order sometime shortly after 8pm, Sunday 11/18..

How I came to this personal conclusion is via a couple of different statements we have regarding Dylan's cell phone.. We have LE state that his phone was no longer in use at any point thereafter those several minutes after 8pm.. we know for fact that R attempted to re-establish contact with DYLAN a mere hour later at 9:27pm to which Dylan never responded.. IMO *if* the cell phone was still on as some believe it to have been(and only indicative that no one was communicating via text/call, but yet phone was still on and/or in working order)..<<-- if that were the case then R's 9:27pm text message would have registered therefor IMO LE would have stated that the last trace of Dylan's phone would have been at some point after 9:27pm, rather than the few minutes after 8pm as we were told..

If Dylan's phone was still on and in working order it would have not only been well after 9pm that its last trace of it existed, but also would have a registered ping from his phone to the nearest cell tower at 9:27pm..
But yet we know per LE that the last identifiable point occurred just a few mins after 8pm..

Add to that the statement from LE soon thereafter that Dylan's phone had been off/non-traceable/non-functioning for several days rendering it of zero ability to be tracked or traced..

Imo (and again I'll reiterate that this is my own person opinion) in looking at what tiny bit we know.. in total sum for me personally, I believe the minutes after 8pm statement by LE is indicating that at that point the phone ceased to exist as far as tracing/tracking abilities as well as usage/ability to establish any contact with his phone...IMO all of the above abrubtly ceased to exist minutes after 8pm, Sunday 11/18<<----MOO!MOO!MOO!

I have to agree with you!
8pm!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

When LE says that there was no cell phone activity after 8:00PM, is this based on tower ping records or phone billing records?

 

[Dee10]

When LE says that there was no cell phone activity after 8:00PM, is this based on tower ping records or phone billing records?

Bender said on NG "...there`s been no activity on his phone whatsoever since Sunday evening sometime." http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../28/ng.01.html

Seems like that would include pings. We know others have texted him since Sunday evening (sometime) lol.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Hmmm....good point but I guess that all depends on how we interpret 'activity'. To me activity means outgoing calls or texts. If he was in an area with bad cell service he may not have received the 9:27pm text from R. Would the phone ping if that were the case? I guess LE would be able to see this? To me, no activity and being off are two different things.

And again, all this means is we don't know squat.

 

[asyousay]

If Dylans phone went wrong on the Sunday then he would of mentioned it to MR , we know this did not happen due to MR texting him on Monday afternoon .

Also Elaine is not getting responses from media now as they are not returning her call and so then Mark needs to step up ( if he wants his son home ) as the media will speak to him as there is the story right there . People want to speak to him and it's about time he out his neck on the line for his son . Stop being selfish and do what any normal loving father would do in normal circumstances and try and bring your son home .

 

[The Cheese]

Again, any links to support these claims above that LE said anything about the phone and 8pm?