CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #27

[cluciano63]

No need but there is always some sick eff that will like the challenge. That's just life, ya know??? They don't always make sense in what they do, if they did, we could stop them from doing it.

But we don't even stop it happening in the places where it does frequently occur, i.e the bus stations, near shelters, etc. even though LE knows those places are magnets to teens on the run and to creeps looking for teens on the run.

I guess the one person who saw Dylan on that day (if he was ever out and about) could have been such a pervert. But the odds would be astronomical.

 

[katydid23]

Even traffickers have to find their victims somewhere. If it's too obvious of a place, then they wouldn't be able to hunt there. Stranger abduction and other such crimes are crime of opportunity, people go out specifically to find victims. They don't want witnesses, and there is no hard and fast place for someone to hunt for a victim. Lots of kids have disappeared from remote places. How else does a perp get their hands on a kid if he's surrounded by loads of people. The fact is there are perps looking for opportunities and they find them, one way or the other. JMO

The chances of being noticed by a witness in a very remote neighborhood are greater than in a busier area. And there are fewer potential victims. JMO

 

[PaulR]

Thanks Helen from your link:

In a phone interview Wednesday, Mark Redwine said the rally is an attempt by some to “play judge and jury.”

“I firmly believe that this is just a misguided attempt to draw attention to me when the reality of the fact is, you know, we don’t know where Dylan is at,” he said. “I have no idea where Dylan is at. I have no involvement with where Dylan is at.”

Mark Redwine said he won’t be at his house Saturday morning during the rally. When asked what he will be doing instead, he said he’ll be doing “anything but being around here.”

“If this is what they feel like they need to do to keep this in the media’s attention and keep the search for Dylan alive, I don’t think I have the ability to stop them, nor do I really want to try,” he said.

But MR doesn't give interviews to the press! That's unpossible! :what:

 

[Dee10]

No need but there is always some sick eff that will like the challenge. That's just life, ya know??? They don't always make sense in what they do, if they did, we could stop them from doing it.

Sorry I was referring specifically about child trafficking, but I can agree there is a possibility (remote in my mind though) Dylan set off to the store, to local friend's house before Mark came home & maybe he met up with an unregistered SO, that worked or had a connection to being in that area. I am still open minded, but I always go back to the little bit of timeline we have. Dylan was never was heard from again (outside of MR) after 8ish the night before he was reported missing & MR doesn't explain any further. I do not feel bad at all for being suspicious, LE isn't helping him & I only care about Dylan.

 

[Dee10]

But MR doesn't give interviews to the press! That's unpossible! :what:

FINALLY, & what did it take? :great:

 

[Confusion]

In a weird kind of way, sometimes I believe him; but then when I see the almost hatred that seems to be a part of this family, and the past issues of MR's temper or whatever (menacing) and the possibility that he did not have much to do with Dylan when he was close at hand, and last but not least, the whole issue with the phone/communication dropping Dylan out of the universe on Sunday night...I am back to being suspicious. And who knows what more LE may know that can be added to my list yet still not be enough to make a case.

It's actually that "almost hatred" that keeps me undecided. MR isn't the only one in the family with a bad temper, and menacing could be as simple as saying, "You touch his truck again and I'll shove it up your [nose?]". I won't go into details about why, but I consider the lack of phone use initially to be a non-issue. Of course, after a day or so it's pretty obvious that he no longer has the phone, has no way of charging the battery, has a different phone, is unable to use a phone (for whatever reason), or has a very compelling reason not to use it. I tend to discount the last option, but consider a few of the others at different times.

 

[marlywings]

Even traffickers have to find their victims somewhere. If it's too obvious of a place, then they wouldn't be able to hunt there. Stranger abduction and other such crimes are crime of opportunity, people go out specifically to find victims. They don't want witnesses, and there is no hard and fast place for someone to hunt for a victim. Lots of kids have disappeared from remote places. How else does a perp get their hands on a kid if he's surrounded by loads of people. The fact is there are perps looking for opportunities and they find them, one way or the other. JMO

I'm just going to jump in to say I agree with what you're saying Seajay. The Aussie Daniel Morcombe case is testament to the fact that predators are everywhere & at any time of day. Daniel, 13yrs old, broad daylight, waiting for a bus on a busy highway, cars streaming by. His accused killer was seen by many people who were travelling the highway & also passengers on a bus which bypassed him. Within the space of a few minutes, Daniel had disappeared. Sadly his remains weren't found until eight years later. This case is still before the courts here in Aus.

Both his parents worked relentlessly to keep Daniel's story in the media right throughout those eight years.

In Dylan's case I think what does need to happen & soon, his two parents need to put aside their differences & work together, perhaps with a mediator, soley & purely for Dylan.

Aggression/fighting/negativity will achieve nothing.

 

[katydid23]

It's actually that "almost hatred" that keeps me undecided. MR isn't the only one in the family with a bad temper, and menacing could be as simple as saying, "You touch his truck again and I'll shove it up your [nose?]". I won't go into details about why, but I consider the lack of phone use initially to be a non-issue. Of course, after a day or so it's pretty obvious that he no longer has the phone, has no way of charging the battery, has a different phone, is unable to use a phone (for whatever reason), or has a very compelling reason not to use it. I tend to discount the last option, but consider a few of the others at different times.

"MR isn't the only one in the family with a bad temper..."

No, he is not. But he is the only one in the family that was in charge of Dylan when he went missing.

"...and menacing could be as simple as saying, "You touch his truck again and I'll shove it up your [nose?]".

But it had to be much more than that. MR would not have been arrested and charged with trespassing, child abuse and assault if all he did was say something stupid like that. JMO

"I won't go into details about why, but I consider the lack of phone use initially to be a non-issue."


I don't. :wink:

 

[The Cheese]

"MR isn't the only one in the family with a bad temper..."

No, he is not. But he is the only one in the family that was in charge of Dylan when he went missing.

"...and menacing could be as simple as saying, "You touch his truck again and I'll shove it up your [nose?]".

But it had to be much more than that. MR would not have been arrested and charged with trespassing, child abuse and assault if all he did was say something stupid like that. JMO

"I won't go into details about why, but I consider the lack of phone use initially to be a non-issue."


I don't. :wink:

He was ticketed, and all charges were dropped except disorderly conduct.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121203/NEWS01/121209881/Police-reveal-no-new-leads

 

[katydid23]

He was ticketed, and all charges were dropped except disorderly conduct.

http://durangoherald.com/article/20121203/NEWS01/121209881/Police-reveal-no-new-leads

Dropped charges do not mean it never happened. There are lots of reasons that judges drop charges in neighborly disputes. But that does not mean that MR didn't blow up and have a major meltdown that day. JMO

 

[Money Girl]

I still think Dylan was the victim of stranger abduction, had an accident, or he ran away because of the forced move to Colorado Springs.

MOO

 

[Allusonz]

What LE has to say from Helen's link:

The Sheriff’s Office in no way is involved in organizing the rally outside the father’s house, Bender said.

“We’re not encouraging people to take part. We’re not discouraging people from it,” he said. “We just want it clear that this protest is not in any way connected with the Sheriff’s Office.”

WOW!!!

Interesting.

I wonder if they want to observe a person/s in this group, as they probably realize that MR will not stick around for it.

Need to ponder this a bit more.

 

[Allusonz]

Maybe the biggest problem in these still unsolved missing children / parents under suspicion cases is there was no body found. In Jessica's case the condition of her body screamed predictor, but if precious little Jane or Joshua were found wrapped in a blanket wouldn't point to a predictor per say. A body is so important & the location if too late for physical forensics still can provide important clues on location alone.

Years ago, I always heard & believed a stranger abduction or serial killer was the hardest person to find & convict. Well, I no longer believe that.

I would think that in Jessica's case it was the foreign DNA that led LE to believe that it was a stranger.

The Zahra Baker case comes to mind here.

 

[Money Girl]

It would be a great idea if the next rally was held outside Elaine's home. It is possible that she had discussed Dylan's planned trip with someone there and they possibly abducted him.

MOO

 

[Allusonz]

Be glad to help with reading material:

don't want to leave out this precious person:
Found Deceased PA - Devan Cathlene Knapp - 19 years old - Brookville - 11-Jan-2013 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

or sweet Nancy:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174369&page=26

You're welcome.

Just a few more to add to your list Ransom.

Ali Lowitzer whose mom is a member here.

Mickey Shunick

Lisa Pate

Samantha Koenig

The Jennings 8

The missing Texas 40 (only pertains to 2 counties in Texas).

 

[Allusonz]

This is one of the few cases, too, where we have not heard of a rash of similar "abduction" attempts, which so often seem to spring up when a community is on edge.

I don't recall a rash of attempted abductions in either the Mickey Shunick case or the Samantha Koenig case.

I know in the Ali Lowitzer case there are a number missing persons, as we were looking to see if Brandon Lavergne might be responsible for some of those as well as the some of the Jennings 8.

There is a thread in the Mickey Shunick forum that lists a number of possibilities. The Jennings 8 can be found in the serial killer forum but have yet to catch the person responsible.

 

[cluciano63]

I tried to go to sleep, but my brain is too full of this case and I want to set out the options as to what could have happened, as I see them, before I forget my line of thinking.

Possibilities:

1. Dylan left on foot and met with an accident or wild animal or water, but has not been found. Seems unlikely since nothing was found; his backpack probably would have surfaced by now, perhaps some clothing, as I doubt he would have ventured deep into any woods (or even left the house, since he had a ride.)

2. Dylan set out and was picked up by a local who may know MR is some capacity and either knew Dylan was visiting or saw him close to the house and figured out who he was, offers him a ride, maybe tells him his father knows about it. This person happens to be a secret child molester, as yet not caught, and molests Dylan and knows he can't leave him alive as a witness, as he is far too old. In this case, Dylan is probably not far away and the perp would have been back in his own realm within a few hours at most, no one the wiser, i.e as in Jessica's case.

3. Total random stranger happens by and entices Dylan either from the house or road, into his vehicle, offering to deliver him to friend. Random stranger is a an ex-con, child molester, or some other variation of criminal, and Dylan is either still at this person's mercy (unlikely) or his body could be anywhere, if taken out of the area.

4. Dylan is either taken away, or killed, by a family member, most likely MR, as he is the only one with known access to Dylan. This could have happened on Sunday night or anytime before MR reported him missing to ER. He could be alive, but only if an elaborate plan had been made in advance to keep him away for a long period of time with help from someone, which to me is unlikely.

Is any other scenario possible than these four?

To me, #2 or #4 seem most possible. I don't see #1, Dylan really falling into a lake, or being taken off by a bear, or breaking his leg in some hidden spot where he cannot get help. And I have trouble with #3, the random stranger (not local) happening by at just the right moment. Yes, kids are picked up by random strangers, i.e. Daniel, and Jessica, but bus stops and near schools are perfect places to troll for kids. A lone child on a Monday morning with no one else in sight is not a very likely occurrence. Too much coincidence for me.

Anyway, long and rambling, but I am trying hard to keep an open mind, I do not generally have a closed one. If not for the level of dysfunction in this family, I might lean more toward #2 than #4.

All JMO from my very tired brain...

ETA: I suppose just plain running away would be #5, but surely he would have surfaced if not encountering any of the events in #1, IMO. I mean, where would he go? I don't believe he just decided to strike out on his own. Sounds to me like he had a good life, other than issues with custody.

 

[asyousay]

So due to the planned protest Mark has already spoken out which is more than he has done in months . So that's a win for Team Dylan IMO .

It's also bringing in much needed publicity for the case which is a massive bonus .

 

[cluciano63]

I don't recall a rash of attempted abductions in either the Mickey Shunick case or the Samantha Koenig case.

I know in the Ali Lowitzer case there are a number missing persons, as we were looking to see if Brandon Lavergne might be responsible for some of those as well as the some of the Jennings 8.

There is a thread in the Mickey Shunick forum that lists a number of possibilities. The Jennings 8 can be found in the serial killer forum but have yet to catch the person responsible.

I was thinking more of children, such as Jessica and the girls in Iowa, both cases which had a rash of reported "abduction" attempts, as well as in Sierra's case too. I don't believe it happens so much with older teens/young adults. Mickey was an adult, Samantha was 18. I think parents of younger children tend to panic and report all kinds of things when they believe a child has been taken from their town. And poor Ali was treated as a runaway by police for far too long.

 

[MissJ]

you piece of (explicative)

I love it.

Why love it?:moo: