CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #28

[Psychic Sleuth]

Whch would be impossible without evidence.

True, but they may have some new evidence based on their comment and new searches.

 

[Tonto]

No one saw Jessica R. after her mom, but she was cleared before Jessica was found.

Which only means that there was easily identifiable and concrete evidence that suggested she had nothing to do with it. MR hasn't been as lucky.

 

[scorekeeper]

I know. Could this have been via a gaming site/video game console? I really know nothing about video games... but can't the players communicate via text while simultaneously playing?

I don't know.. not trying to push this point. :waitasec: Just trying to think beyond the idea of texting via provider's site or iPod since we have already discussed those options.

duh.....okay. I see what you are saying.

So we are on the same page. Except I don't know all the communication devices you can text from....LOL:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

Confirmation bias suggests that one tends to mold his preconceptions to new information. Which is what is generally going on here. It doesn't mean that I think he is innocent. It means I think there is absolutely nothing thus far to suggest he is guilty. Everything that is going on here is not mere speculation - it is character assassination disguised as speculation.

IMO.

I respectfully disagree. I do see what you're saying. That no matter what comes out some of us are going to mold it into proof that MR is guilty. I don't think you are giving us that are leaning that way proper credit. I'm actually pretty intelligent and am not one to follow the crowd. I am leaning that way based on a combination of many factors rather than one big smoking gun.

 

[SCHMAE]

But LE cleared that up later. I think CR took it as 'a green light' because they didn't tell him 'no you can't do that'. It's legal as long as they don't block roads, go on private property or resort to violence etc.. LE would never advise someone to do this. JMHO

CR said LE told him to ' bring the pressure' or some words like this .
LE must think pressure will lead somewhere.
And I'm pretty sure this whole line of discussion is off limits..
I guess we'll find out soon........

 

[SouthAussie]

"Dylan had asked his father whether he could go to his friends' that evening after they had shopped at Walmart and eaten at a McDonald's in Durango and before the 45-minute drive to Mark's home north of Vallecito Lake. Mark said he told his son it was too late."

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22108222/dad-its-wait-wonder

• 7:05 p.m. Dylan at Durango Walmart
• 7:22 p.m. Dylan at Durango McDonalds

Ryan Nava: (time 6:43 p.m. Nov. 18) Im in pagosa coming

Dylan Redwine: Cant come srry ill hang tommarow

Ryan: Ok

Ryan: (time 7:09 p.m. Nov. 18) Why

Dylan: idk

I read this as Dylan saying "Dad, after we go to Walmart and McDonalds can you take me to R's house" (instead of going to his father's house).
I didn't read it as Dylan asking MR the question after they had been to McDonalds.
Just another example of how we can all interpret statements differently.

 

[scorekeeper]

may want to check out FB

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

I read this as Dylan saying "Dad, after we go to Walmart and McDonalds can you take me to R's house" (instead of going to his father's house).
I didn't read it as Dylan asking MR the question after they had been to McDonalds.
Just another example of how we can all interpret statements differently.

Good point!

 

[Confusion]

Weren't Jessica's family cleared after the backpack was found? :waitasec:

 

[mijamawi]

If he has not been cleared, then why are you so adamant that he is innocent?

That right there is what frustrates me most. I can't speak for anyone else, but for me it's not so much I think MR is innocent, I just don't have all the information I (me personally) need to convict him in my mind.

But I would hope LE's first "line of business" would be to clear the last person to see Dylan.

But who says they haven't? Just because they haven't said it out loud? IIRC they haven't cleared anyone.

 

[Dixie811]

duh.....okay. I see what you are saying.

So we are on the same page. Except I don't know all the communication devices you can text from....LOL:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Haha yes same page!! At least the same chapter :smile:

I hope I'm not getting too 'creative' here but...
It would almost make more sense to me if this last "communication" was to someone he is not close with. Like just another online gamer, that he may not even know. (again, just an example). Because this would explain to me why we have not heard about this communication previously. Everyone else we know of who heard from Dylan that night (Elaine, Ryan) has spoken up loud & proud. Some sort of practically anonymous communication that LE only would have discovered after digging around into Dylan's electronic activity would explain why this is the first we are hearing of it.

.... Okay someone bring me back to earth :beersign:

 

[The Cheese]

Weren't Jessica's family cleared after the backpack was found? :waitasec:

Yes, several days later. The timing aligned with getting back initial DNA tests from the backpack. IIRC, the DNA hit against DNA from the jogger assault case.

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

That right there is what frustrates me most. I can't speak for anyone else, but for me it's not so much I think MR is innocent, I just don't have all the information I (me personally) need to convict him in my mind.



But who says they haven't? Just because they haven't said it out loud? IIRC they haven't cleared anyone.

I don't have enough to convict him in my mind either.

I would think at this point if they truly don't think there's a possibility that he is involved they would clear him. Especially with the mob growing

 

[imamaze]

Hi Bravo I obviously missed nursee's post verifying Paul.. what area of expertise is it?

TIA I scrolled back through this thread and still somehow missed it:crazy:

Computer Technology & Software Engineering

 

[Tonto]

I respectfully disagree. I do see what you're saying. That no matter what comes out some of us are going to mold it into proof that MR is guilty. I don't think you are giving us that are leaning that way proper credit. I'm actually pretty intelligent and am not one to follow the crowd. I am leaning that way based on a combination of many factors rather than one big smoking gun.

Confirmation bias has no bearing on how intelligent one is. Everyone possesses it. It's something that one has to consciously identify and then try to quash as much as possible when trying to reason effectively. It takes practice and even then it is still one of the hardest things to train oneself to do. It's one of the largest obstacles to overcome in research, and both physical and social scientists - all utterly brilliant mind you - do everything in their power to limit it.

I think if folks truly took a step back from all of the noise - that is, all of the rumor, innuendo, and the smear from alleged 20 year old behavior - and instead focused entirely on what we know at this point, then there is absolutely no way one can be convinced that MR did this. Again, I'm not saying he didn't - I'm saying that the facts aren't there.

 

[mijamawi]

I don't have enough to convict him in my mind either.

I would think at this point if they truly don't think there's a possibility that he is involved they would clear him. Especially with the mob growing

But what if they have their eye on someone else and clearing MR could ruin that. I would bet my left arm there will be a large LE presence at the "rally" to ensure it doesn't get out of hand. Again, LE has cleared NO ONE! JMO

 

[neverletgo]

Hi Bravo I obviously missed nursee's post verifying Paul.. what area of expertise is it?

TIA I scrolled back through this thread and still somehow missed it:crazy:

It was towards the end of the last thread:

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HTH!

 

[DylansMom34]

Confirmation bias has no bearing on how intelligent one is. Everyone possesses it. It's something that one has to consciously identify and then try to quash as much as possible when trying to reason effectively. It takes practice and even then it is still one of the hardest things to train oneself to do. It's one of the largest obstacles to overcome in research, and both physical and social scientists - all utterly brilliant mind you - do everything in their power to limit.

I think if folks truly took a step back from all of the noise - that is, all of the rumor, innuendo, and the smear from alleged 20 year old behavior - and instead focused entirely on what we know at this point, then there is absolutely no way one can be convinced that MR did this. Again, I'm not saying he didn't - I'm saying that the facts aren't there.

Disagree. I get a gut feeling on most cases I follow here. This one my gut was screaming to me pretty early on (way before Cory spoke out). I don't think we should be putting down or labeling each other's opinions. JMHO

 

[Psychic Sleuth]

But what if they have their eye on someone else and clearing MR could ruin that. I would bet my left arm there will be a large LE presence at the "rally" to ensure it doesn't get out of hand. Again, LE has cleared NO ONE! JMO

I don't see how clearing MR could ruin it if they have their eye on someone else?

 

[scorekeeper]

That right there is what frustrates me most. I can't speak for anyone else, but for me it's not so much I think MR is innocent, I just don't have all the information I (me personally) need to convict him in my mind.



But who says they haven't? Just because they haven't said it out loud? IIRC they haven't cleared anyone.

To me (not saying out loud) that he has been totally ruled out is a dis-service to the community that LE serves. If he has been totally cleared, why not tell the public so they can focus their efforts somewhere else (and us also!). Unless, perhaps he does play an indirect role in Dylan's disappearance?

Yes, several days later. The timing aligned with getting back initial DNA tests from the backpack. IIRC, the DNA hit against DNA from the jogger assault case.

Jumping off your post.....I have never even heard LE say that the dogs picked up Dylan's scent at/in/around Mark's house.