CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #28

[Psychic Sleuth]

Ok you guys are making me sad reminding us of all those unsolved cases Let's hope that isn't the case this time. I know it's a very real possibility though.

 

[The Cheese]

new post from Elaine on the official Dylan facebook

https://www.facebook.com/FindMissingDylanRedwine/posts/587480081278599

 

[scorekeeper]

Only if for some strange reason Dylan communicated with an older adult without anyone knowing about it, and this person instructed Dylan on what and how to go about certain activities, could he be in the hands of a stranger, unless a pre planned family abduction occurred on the Fathers part.

Is it a slim possibility ? Yes, Do i actually believe this could be the case no, Just the actions of the Father since Dylan's disappearance really frustrates me.

snipped by me, respectfully,

Ronald99,

Welcome to WS! Great post!

:greetings:

:thewave::thewave::thewave::thewave:

sKore

 

[SCHMAE]

I wonder though about other theories that have been either swept under the rug or not allowed to be discussed. IMO when ER opened the door on accusing MR and Websleuths allowed that same discussion, everything else went out the window.



What would his response be? Ok? K? IMO the conversation was over. R said text when you get here. It doesn't require a response. JMO

Simply not true. Many theories from wandering rso's to unknown rso's to hitchhiking to mountain lions to hiding out in a friends' basement to getting lost or hurt in the woods to a pervert in the next state have been discussed. I have noticed any time in the last 2 months an incident happens in CO or an incident happens involving a male or even female of about the same age, that someone sleuths that EVENT to see if it's in any way connected to Dylan. I'm sorry and mean no disrespect but many alternative theories have been presented and discussed but things seem to go back to MR as a logical theory.

 

[mijamawi]

Michelle Parker brought me here. Hailey Dunn was semi-local to me so I followed as much as I could early on through local media. I haven't gone back and read her case. But yes, these cold cases are heartbreaking. I so hope that won't be the case with Dylan. lease:

 

[SmoothOperator]

That right there is what frustrates me most. I can't speak for anyone else, but for me it's not so much I think MR is innocent, I just don't have all the information I (me personally) need to convict him in my mind.

Above RSBM..
Hiya ninja! I must say I know, or better yet I "think" I know what you mean.. I would dare say that by far and wide, by a landslide that the overwhelming majority of people who are uncomfortably, yet patiently waiting atop that fence in this case, DO NOT AT ALL claim that MR is "INNOCENT" per se..

much different is that their personal, comfort level is to truly wait it out.. maybe there will be a smoking gun either way(as in a smoking gun that points to DEFINITE NON-INVOLVEMENT of MR...or maybe a smoking gun that points to DEFINITE INVOLVEMENT of MR)..

...OR IMO the more likelier happenstance of just having more information..having more, COMPLETE information with some of the gaping holes filled in which gives a much clearer picture be it one way(MR non-involvement)..or be it the other way(MR involvement)..

IMO atleast that's how I read or what I take away from reading some of you all's posts that express, for lack of a better phrase, the other or opposite side of the coin per se..meaning that your comfort level is merely just waiting for MORE, COMPLETE INFORMATION before you choose to express your opinions fully WRT to what you see as the most likeliest..or most probable circumstances of Dylan's disappearance..

Because yes, you're 100% correct in that we, the public, on the outside looking in will not be privy to anything close to stone, cold, hard evidence that actually will prove what happened and who is responsible for Dylan's disappearance(atleast not until, if God's willing a trial for justice for Dylan)..<<<---- until that point we AT BEST have HOPEFULLY at some point coming our way, a more COMPLETE, filled in *some* of the larger, gaping holes in what transpired and led to Dylan's disappearance... or AT WORST just a few, small drips and draps of info that HOPEFULLY come our way..

I understand and respect your choice of how you choose to go about *publicly* discussing this case, on a very public, well known&read message board.. and tho, my personal choice is slightly different never less I still feel like I understand why you may go about choosing this particular path, AT THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT AND STAGE OF THE CASE, AS WE PRESENTLY KNOW IT..(again I emphasize the words PUBLICLY DISCUSS), due to the fact that IMO many are NOT AT ALL of the mindset that MR IS ABSOLUTELY 100% INNOCENT, but rather that ESPECIALLY in a public discussion your of the opinion that there IS JUST NOT ENOUGH to make what appears to some as condemning with absolute mind made up that this man is GUILTY statements and posts..

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I hope that made atleast a tiny lick of sense??..as always my apologies for my God awful wordiness in "attempting"(and admittedly quite possibly failing) at describing how the vast majority of us are IMO NOT at the extreme opposite ends of the spectrum as we sometimes feel like we are..

anyhoo, of course all in all the above is just my good ol' opinion and nada damn thing more

 

[mijamawi]

Simply not true. Many theories from wandering rso's to unknown rso's to hitchhiking to mountain lions to hiding out in a friends' basement to getting lost or hurt in the woods to a pervert in the next state have been discussed. I have noticed any time in the last 2 months an incident happens in CO or an incident happens involving a male or even female of about the same age, that someone sleuths that EVENT to see if it's in any way connected to Dylan. I'm sorry and mean no disrespect but many alternative theories have been presented and discussed but things seem to go back to MR as a logical theory.

With all due respect, there are a few plausible theories are not allowed here. I refuse to take the easy way out and just point to MR with the limited info we have.

I'm curious, IF you (general you) were told tomorrow that MR was excluded as a POI, what would the theories be?

 

[SCHMAE]

Above RSBM..
Hiya ninja! I must say I know, or better yet I "think" I know what you mean.. I would dare say that by far and wide, by a landslide that the overwhelming majority of people who are uncomfortably, yet patiently waiting atop that fence in this case, DO NOT AT ALL claim that MR is "INNOCENT" per se..

much different is that their personal, comfort level is to truly wait it out.. maybe there will be a smoking gun either way(as in a smoking gun that points to DEFINITE NON-INVOLVEMENT of MR...or maybe a smoking gun that points to DEFINITE INVOLVEMENT of MR)..

...OR IMO the more likelier happenstance of just having more information..having more, COMPLETE information with some of the gaping holes filled in which gives a much clearer picture be it one way(MR non-involvement)..or be it the other way(MR involvement)..

IMO atleast that's how I read or what I take away from reading some of you all's posts that express, for lack of a better phrase, the other or opposite side of the coin per se..meaning that your comfort level is merely just waiting for MORE, COMPLETE INFORMATION before you choose to express your opinions fully WRT to what you see as the most likeliest..or most probable circumstances of Dylan's disappearance..

Because yes, you're 100% correct in that we, the public, on the outside looking in will not be privy to anything close to stone, cold, hard evidence that actually will prove what happened and who is responsible for Dylan's disappearance(atleast not until, if God's willing a trial for justice for Dylan)..<<<---- until that point we AT BEST have HOPEFULLY at some point coming our way, a more COMPLETE, filled in *some* of the larger, gaping holes in what transpired and led to Dylan's disappearance... or AT WORST just a few, small drips and draps of info that HOPEFULLY come our way..

I understand and respect your choice of how you choose to go about *publicly* discussing this case, on a very public, well known&read message board.. and tho, my personal choice is slightly different never less I still feel like I understand why you may go about choosing this particular path, AT THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT AND STAGE OF THE CASE, AS WE PRESENTLY KNOW IT..(again I emphasize the words PUBLICLY DISCUSS), due to the fact that IMO many are NOT AT ALL of the mindset that MR IS ABSOLUTELY 100% INNOCENT, but rather that ESPECIALLY in a public discussion your of the opinion that there IS JUST NOT ENOUGH to make what appears to some as condemning with absolute mind made up that this man is GUILTY statements and posts..

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anyhoo, of course all in all the above is just my good ol' opinion and nada damn thing more

So smooth operator is not your real name ? JK :floorlaugh:

 

[mijamawi]

Above RSBM..
Hiya ninja! I must say I know, or better yet I "think" I know what you mean.. I would dare say that by far and wide, by a landslide that the overwhelming majority of people who are uncomfortably, yet patiently waiting atop that fence in this case, DO NOT AT ALL claim that MR is "INNOCENT" per se..

much different is that their personal, comfort level is to truly wait it out.. maybe there will be a smoking gun either way(as in a smoking gun that points to DEFINITE NON-INVOLVEMENT of MR...or maybe a smoking gun that points to DEFINITE INVOLVEMENT of MR)..

...OR IMO the more likelier happenstance of just having more information..having more, COMPLETE information with some of the gaping holes filled in which gives a much clearer picture be it one way(MR non-involvement)..or be it the other way(MR involvement)..

IMO atleast that's how I read or what I take away from reading some of you all's posts that express, for lack of a better phrase, the other or opposite side of the coin per se..meaning that your comfort level is merely just waiting for MORE, COMPLETE INFORMATION before you choose to express your opinions fully WRT to what you see as the most likeliest..or most probable circumstances of Dylan's disappearance..

Because yes, you're 100% correct in that we, the public, on the outside looking in will not be privy to anything close to stone, cold, hard evidence that actually will prove what happened and who is responsible for Dylan's disappearance(atleast not until, if God's willing a trial for justice for Dylan)..<<<---- until that point we AT BEST have HOPEFULLY at some point coming our way, a more COMPLETE, filled in *some* of the larger, gaping holes in what transpired and led to Dylan's disappearance... or AT WORST just a few, small drips and draps of info that HOPEFULLY come our way..

I understand and respect your choice of how you choose to go about *publicly* discussing this case, on a very public, well known&read message board.. and tho, my personal choice is slightly different never less I still feel like I understand why you may go about choosing this particular path, AT THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT AND STAGE OF THE CASE, AS WE PRESENTLY KNOW IT..(again I emphasize the words PUBLICLY DISCUSS), due to the fact that IMO many are NOT AT ALL of the mindset that MR IS ABSOLUTELY 100% INNOCENT, but rather that ESPECIALLY in a public discussion your of the opinion that there IS JUST NOT ENOUGH to make what appears to some as condemning with absolute mind made up that this man is GUILTY statements and posts..

<modsnip>

I hope that made atleast a tiny lick of sense??..as always my apologies for my God awful wordiness in "attempting"(and admittedly quite possibly failing) at describing how the vast majority of us are IMO NOT at the extreme opposite ends of the spectrum as we sometimes feel like we are..

anyhoo, of course all in all the above is just my good ol' opinion and nada damn thing more

You had me at ninja........ You.Had.Me.At.Ninja. :floorlaugh:

 

[SCHMAE]

With all due respect, there are a few plausible theories are not allowed here. I refuse to take the easy way out and just point to MR with the limited info we have.

I'm curious, IF you (general you) were told tomorrow that MR was excluded as a POI, what would the theories be?

Wandering undetected SO ! I've stated numerous times how slick and sneaky they are and enjoy the areas like this one where there are few people and lots of hiding places and limited interaction with the public. It is the ONLY other theory I even consider. ( other)

 

[Wild@Heart]

Michelle Parker brought me here. Hailey Dunn was semi-local to me so I followed as much as I could early on through local media. I haven't gone back and read her case. But yes, these cold cases are heartbreaking. I so hope that won't be the case with Dylan. lease:

Michelle Parker brought me here too! I ache for her family and pray they get answers.lease:

 

[cluciano63]

With all due respect, there are a few plausible theories are not allowed here. I refuse to take the easy way out and just point to MR with the limited info we have.

I'm curious, IF you (general you) were told tomorrow that MR was excluded as a POI, what would the theories be?

I posted a big boring 1am post outlining every possible theory last night and brought it down to two that could work for me. One being MR and the other a local, unregistered pervert who was back in his normal routine very quickly, probably before Dylan was even reported missing.

The main reason I lean toward MR is my problems with Dylan not contacting anyone on Monday. I know many feel that is not a big deal. But many do. Also i don't quite believe that Dylan refused to get up. I think he was eager to be with his friends and could have thrown on a sweatshirt and dozed on the way, in five seconds.

 

[SCHMAE]

FWIW , I 'll share this again, because this DOES happen, a parent falsely accused, even charged and convicted when there was actually a sneaky killer on the loose no one knew about . I won't go as far as to say it happens all the time, but I've thought of this case often while following Dylan's case.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2931404&page=1

 

[dlc]

That's my point. Some of the contrary but equally viable opinions regarding these new revelations have already been put out there and dismissed by those seemingly hell bent on continuing the 'MR is evil incarnate' narrative. I'm not going to relist the alternate viewpoints posted by others, as it would again be in vain.

I have a question. And I'm not trying to be a smart aleck. I've only done a limited amount of reading on confirmation bias, and mostly in terms of economic theory, but is it true that everyone makes certain assumptions; that few if any of us operate from a purely logical standpoint, unencumbered by any bias at all? We just can't see it as clearly in ourselves?

ETA: I was taking the long way around (southern upbringing) and wasn't clear enough. So, what I'm really asking is, can the bolded statement be seen as a form of confirmation bias as well?

Just wondering.

Thanks.

 

[Dee10]

If it turns out MR is indeed not involved he should write the book on

"What Not to Do When Your Child Goes Missing"

 

[scorekeeper]

Wandering undetected SO ! I've stated numerous times how slick and sneaky they are and enjoy the areas like this one where there are few people and lots of hiding places and limited interaction with the public. It is the ONLY other theory I even consider. ( other)

I posted a big boring 1am post outlining every possible theory last night and brought it down to two that could work for me. One being MR and the other a local, unregistered pervert who was back in his normal routine very quickly, probably before Dylan was even reported missing.

The main reason I lean toward MR is my problems with Dylan not contacting anyone on Monday. I know many feel that is not a big deal. But many do. Also i don't quite believe that Dylan refused to get up. I think he was eager to be with his friends and could have thrown on a sweatshirt and dozed on the way, in five seconds.

BBM

And he/she was having a very, very against the odds/LUCKY day.

ETA: clu, it was a great 1 am post!

 

[cluciano63]

BBM

And he/she was having a very, very against the odds/LUCKY day.

ETA: clu, it was a great 1 am post!

Yes, especially Dylan did not even live in the area. Quite a "perfect" day for the perp indeed, who would also, it seems, be the ONLY person to see Dylan that day. No one seems to have seen him at all, except for the perp.

 

[mijamawi]

I posted a big boring 1am post outlining every possible theory last night and brought it down to two that could work for me. One being MR and the other a local, unregistered pervert who was back in his normal routine very quickly, probably before Dylan was even reported missing.

The main reason I lean toward MR is my problems with Dylan not contacting anyone on Monday. I know many feel that is not a big deal. But many do. Also i don't quite believe that Dylan refused to get up. I think he was eager to be with his friends and could have thrown on a sweatshirt and dozed on the way, in five seconds

BBM If I didn't have a 12 year old who made grandiose plans almost every weekend for the last year to get up early and go play baseball, basketball, football, etc, then yeah, I might feel the same way. But, I do, so it's easy for me to dismiss the fact he didn't wake up and go so early. The fact that R texted once to see where he was and then not again until 3 hours later leads me to believe that it wasn't unheard of for Dylan not to stick with his well made plans. IMO

 

[Dee10]

I have a question. And I'm not trying to be a smart aleck. I've only done a limited amount of reading on confirmation bias, and mostly in terms of economic theory, but is it true that everyone makes certain assumptions; that few if any of us operate from a purely logical standpoint, unencumbered by any bias at all? We just can't see it as clearly in ourselves?

Just wondering.

Thanks.

When I have to make tough decisions, I like to step back & let it gell in the back of my mind before making a decision to try & keep emotion out of it. On the other hand you need & should cherish your gut instinct. You may have no concrete evidence or reason even not to trust someone but you just don't & then you find out later they :what:

 

[Allusonz]

Here's the thing..... we don't have to convict him. He's not been charged. We are merely pointing out suspicious activities, words, circumstances. Those who act like we've been jury and tried and convicted him are way off base. It takes a ton more evidence to convict someone and there's nothing to say there will ever be enough to convict anyone.
I personally find MR a very likely suspect. That is a long way from convicting him. If I sat on a jury today with what little info we have, there's no way I could convict him. I might be suspicious and I might be pretty sure he did it but that's not the law of proof beyond a doubt. Thankfully if and when charges are filed , it will be up to others to weigh the evidence and decide his fate.
In the grand scheme of think I doubt very much if MR gives two hoots what the people of WS think of him or what anyone else on the interwebs thinks of him.

I feel that I must point out that there is only one person per the TOS that we have been allowed to sleuth, which happens to be MR.

I believe there is more to this story but must stay within the TOS.