CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #29

[Dee10]

I agree with you. But, analyzing all he says and tearing it apart just confirms what he says about not speaking and why he hasn't done it. jmo

It is natural not to take the word of the last person seen with a missing person ie. girlfriend, wife, child. Everyone is going to analyze everything and they should. I am glad the public cares & is involved! I live in Canada & I care about this child!

But what has he said really...thinking about it? We have a better timeline from LE lol. In all honestly MCK really we do if you think about it. What is there to tear apart the night before (which is the big question if he got there)? MR never told us when they got home, etc. etc. We did hear Dylan was tired as he had been up until X the night before & they played with the Nerf football. Am I forgetting anything? He did give conflicting stories on the next morning though. The night before he has said little to nothing & now LE is coming out with a timeline on that night. Strange?

MR maybe innocent of any wrong doing or he maybe involved bottom line "it will be what it will be". MR is a big boy and life isn't fair; Dylan is the victim. I do feel your pain, even if I was jokey tonight...finished juggling reports & over last few days. :blowkiss:

 

[Dixie811]

I by no means think MR is innocent. But I am trying to stay objective.

I will say that I have seen people criticize MR for spending too much time in interviews defending himself rather than talking about Dylan... but then when discussing rumors about MR, people will say-- well he should be defending himself against those rumors when he speaks to the media if it's not true.

Although I don't necessarily believe in his innocence... I truly think if he was innocent, at this point there is nothing he could do that folks would not tear him down for.

FWIW.

ETA: I am not suggesting that anyone is wrong for being critical of MR. Just sharing that thought.

 

[cluciano63]

I by no means think MR is innocent. But I am trying to stay objective.

I will say that I have seen people criticize MR for spending too much time in interviews defending himself rather than talking about Dylan... but then when discussing rumors about MR, people will say-- well he should be defending himself against those rumors when he speaks to the media if it's not true.

Although I don't necessarily believe in his innocence... I truly think if he was innocent, at this point there is nothing he could do that folks would not tear him down for.

FWIW.

ETA: I am not suggesting that anyone is wrong for being critical of MR. Just sharing that thought.

Again, IMO, it all goes back to the beginning. He said very little for a week or so, if anything. Then, he talked about not wanting the focus on him, in fact that is almost all he talked about. He just started off very badly, IMO, especially if he is innocent. I wonder if he is taking some very bad advice. Some people really do need someone else to speak for them. JMO

 

[Dee10]

I by no means think MR is innocent. But I am trying to stay objective.

I will say that I have seen people criticize MR for spending too much time in interviews defending himself rather than talking about Dylan... but then when discussing rumors about MR, people will say-- well he should be defending himself against those rumors when he speaks to the media if it's not true.

Although I don't necessarily believe in his innocence... I truly think if he was innocent, at this point there is nothing he could do that folks would not tear him down for.

FWIW.

ETA: I am not suggesting that anyone is wrong for being critical of MR. Just sharing that thought.

I am just jumping off your post & point is a great one. When has he defended himself vs. poor me???

 

[mck16]

I truly understand how you feel, mck.

FWIW, I had recently submitted a suggestion in what I felt would be an attempt to try to alleviate some of the same things that you point out that I was seeing. Unfortunately, my suggestion was unable to be implemented, and it was reiterated that because this is a Discussion Forum, ALL opinions are welcome and that we have the option to utilize an Ignore Button or scroll and roll. If a post is offensive and against TOS, we are instructed to “alert a mod” to avoid getting into the arguing that we see take place.

So basically, we are our own worst enemies since we’re not following the guidelines.

Members are allowed to post their opinions within TOS. If a mod finds a post offensive, the mod will delete and/or issue TO’s for those that ignore TOS.

I am learning that sometimes rather than letting a post get to me, I find it's the perfect time to get up and make myself a cuppa or go bug my DH instead of getting involved and adding more fuel to the fire by arguing my point.

Just thought I’d share…

((((( HUGS TO ALL ))))))

Thanks and that is what I will do. Get my self a cuppa since I don't have a DH. No sense arguing because I have my feelings and can't expect everyone to feel the same. Thanks and good nite.

 

[Dixie811]

Again, IMO, it all goes back to the beginning. He said very little for a week or so, if anything. Then, he talked about not wanting the focus on him, in fact that is almost all he talked about. He just started off very badly, IMO, especially if he is innocent. I wonder if he is taking some very bad advice. Some people really do need someone else to speak for them. JMO

ITA. In fact it is really strange to me, because IMO he is acting much differently now, & it doesn't make any sense why he couldn't have gone through these motions from the beginning (if he was innocent). & I have always been confused as to why his brother did not speak on MR's behalf when he was in town. I really expected him to.

 

[Confusion]

I'm not trying to make MR out to be a victim, but I have a feeling this is going to come out sounding like I am. If I think it will before I even get it in writing, I can imagine how other people will see it. I'll still try.

I keep wondering how different things would be with MR if they hadn't started out the way they did. One of the first things that people started seeing as damning was the fact that ER said that DR would have called/texted somebody if he was okay and that he was "tech savvy" and texted a lot. In spite of that, she didn't seem concerned that she hadn't heard from him for almost an hour and a half after landing, although she sounded (to me) like she had expected him to let her know his father had been there and picked him up okay. She also said that he would usually text her to let her know where he was spending the night, or at least text in the morning, but she didn't seem concerned about him not doing that until that afternoon when MR sent the text asking if she'd heard from him. RN also didn't seem to think it was strange for DR to take 15-30 minutes to respond, or to not respond at all. It wasn't until MR went there looking for him that RN realized there was a problem.

The next thing was when she accused him of "doing something" because if he couldn't have him, nobody would. I think that's a pretty strong statement for most people to just ignore. Since that time, almost every time he's been "interviewed", the questions seem to be how he feels about what was said about him, why it might have been said, if it was true (about what was said on NG), or some variation on one or more questions. Nobody seems to ask a lot about DR when talking to him, and he keeps saying to forget about him and focus on Dylan.

I'm not saying that the public's feelings about him are her fault, but I am wondering how different they might be if her initial reaction had been different (at least in public.) Obviously MOO, since I doubt it's anyone else's opinion. :blushing:

 

[Tonto]

I'm not trying to make MR out to be a victim, but I have a feeling this is going to come out sounding like I am.

He is a victim. He is the father of a missing child. A father who no one looking at the facts we know to be true could reasonably conclude thus far that he had anything to do with his son's disappearance. So, in essence, he is a victim on two fronts - having a missing child and public mobbery.

 

[asyousay]

Quote:
R said he would have expected Dylan to text him Monday morning if he overslept or at least to say when he was headed down to Bayfield.

This is what was said about Dylan not contacting him Monday

 

[asyousay]

He is a victim. He is the father of a missing child. A father who no one looking at the facts we know to be true could reasonably conclude thus far that he had anything to do with his son's disappearance. So, in essence, he is a victim on two fronts - having a missing child and public mobbery.

I have looked at the facts and so have a lot of others and I conclude he very well may be guilty . So please don't speak for me .

His story makes no sense and has holes and therefore he is very much a person of interest in my eyes . He is the last person to have seen Dylan and until proven otherwise then the buck stops there :cow:

 

[Confusion]

He is a victim. He is the father of a missing child. A father who no one looking at the facts we know to be true could reasonably conclude thus far that he had anything to do with his son's disappearance. So, in essence, he is a victim on two fronts - having a missing child and public mobbery.

You're preaching to the choir. I have seen absolutely no evidence that he's done anything. I just wanted to make sure people realized that I wasn't saying it out of sympathy (although I feel sympathy for him), but because I really do believe that public opinion would have been different if those statements hadn't been made in the beginning. MOO

 

[cluciano63]

I do not know if he a victim yet. But this is a very difficult situation, as LE won't/can't clear him and I do not know how they can, really, although a passed LD test would probably help somewhat, if that has not happened. Otherwise, it will always be like this, i.e. MR being under some sort of cloud, unless someone else is eventually charged. The LD test is kind of an awkward thing just hanging out there; he won't say he passed, or is about to take another one, or even mention it, as far as I know. I also know that it does not mean anything to some people, but it does, to others, including LE, since they all use them.

It is hard for ER, IMO, because she can't know if he is telling the truth, only he knows. Only he knows if he really spoke to Dylan that morning and saw him safely in bed when he left. And she knows him, we do not. So it is all very difficult.

Rambling a bit, but I just do not see much happening with this case, unless LE is working on proving that something MR told them is false. If not MR...then who, and will he/she ever be caught? So many are not.

 

[asyousay]

You're preaching to the choir. I have seen absolutely no evidence that he's done anything. I just wanted to make sure people realized that I wasn't saying it out of sympathy (although I feel sympathy for him), but because I really do believe that public opinion would have been different if those statements hadn't been made in the beginning. MOO

I very much doubt it when the facts remain the same . Dylan's phone mysteriously turns off on Sunday night and is never switched back on. Dylan made plans with friends and was eager to do so and yet does not arrive . Nobody has claimed to have seen him after Walmart apart from his father and both ex wife's have said he was quite capable of hurting Dylan .

 

[Confusion]

I very much doubt it when the facts remain the same . Dylan's phone mysteriously turns off on Sunday night and is never switched back on. Dylan made plans with friends and was eager to do so and yet does not arrive . Nobody has claimed to have seen him after Walmart apart from his father and both ex wife's have said he was quite capable of hurting Dylan .

Why would anyone expect to see him after leaving McDonald's? His ex-wife (ER) and his son (CR) have both said they don't believe he hurt him and that they know he loves him; his other ex-wife admits that she hasn't even seen him in many years. I'm known for being a motor-mouth (no surprise there, I'm sure!), and that I practically live on the telephone - which is sometimes true. In spite of that, I sometimes go for days without talking to anyone on the phone, don't always remember to return calls, and stop talking at some point every night.

One evening, my brother tried to call me using my secondary number, which I had forwarded to my son's number at one point and I forgot to switch it back. He got his voice mail and just left a quick message. He tried calling my other number and got my voice mail, so he called my sister to see if she knew where I was (my social life is pretty pathetic, I'm almost always home). My sister called a couple of other relatives I talk to a lot and a friend or two, and everybody called me off and on. I had been at a meeting which lasted for about 2 hours, and came home to find about 15 panicking calls on my voice mail, and several people ready to call 911.

My point is that even if he had quit texting early and went to sleep, got up about 10 or so, ate a bowl of cereal and watched some tv while waiting for MR to get back, nobody would have considered it at all suspicious IF he had still been there when MR returned (MOO). If that's true, then none of those things by themselves, or even combined, necessarily mean MR did anything. Just like me not answering my phone, accidentally forwarding my one number to another place, and "disappearing" without telling anyone where I was going (I was gone about 2 1/2 hours including driving time) were just coincidences, but might have looked suspicious if I never returned home. MOO

 

[asyousay]

Why would anyone expect to see him after leaving McDonald's? His ex-wife (ER) and his son (CR) have both said they don't believe he hurt him and that they know he loves him; his other ex-wife admits that she hasn't even seen him in many years. I'm known for being a motor-mouth (no surprise there, I'm sure!), and that I practically live on the telephone - which is sometimes true. In spite of that, I sometimes go for days without talking to anyone on the phone, don't always remember to return calls, and stop talking at some point every night.

One evening, my brother tried to call me using my secondary number, which I had forwarded to my son's number at one point and I forgot to switch it back. He got his voice mail and just left a quick message. He tried calling my other number and got my voice mail, so he called my sister to see if she knew where I was (my social life is pretty pathetic, I'm almost always home). My sister called a couple of other relatives I talk to a lot and a friend or two, and everybody called me off and on. I had been at a meeting which lasted for about 2 hours, and came home to find about 15 panicking calls on my voice mail, and several people ready to call 911.

My point is that even if he had quit texting early and went to sleep, got up about 10 or so, ate a bowl of cereal and watched some tv while waiting for MR to get back, nobody would have considered it at all suspicious IF he had still been there when MR returned (MOO). If that's true, then none of those things by themselves, or even combined, necessarily mean MR did anything. Just like me not answering my phone, accidentally forwarding my one number to another place, and "disappearing" without telling anyone where I was going (I was gone about 2 1/2 hours including driving time) were just coincidences, but might have looked suspicious if I never returned home. MOO

This is from Cory just this Saturday

He also said his relationship with Mark Redwine has been rocky, but he believes Mark has some answers.

When asked why Mark was not helping as much as people think he should, Cory Redwine said, “I think he has a part in this. I’m not sure exactly to what extent, but if your son’s really missing, most people would be doing anything they could to bring him home, not avoid the situation.”

Cory said that Mark Redwine usually is not reluctant to be out front.

So yes Cory does think Mark has played a part here. Unless you have something that came after Saturday from Cory?


Elaine has stated that she thinks Mark may of harmed Dylan.


Also about the phone being switched off as not odd. Of course it is. He is a typical teenager who used his phone all the time " avid texter" . He was away from home and there is absolutely no reason why he would of switched it off when he was texing Ryan and then never switched it back on. It was not typical behavior. :cow:

 

[Seajay]

I just want Dylan to come back home and then we can get answers. I agree with Tonto that MR is as much a victim in this as anyone else as I have seen no evidence that he did anything. Being the last to see him before he left for his errands does not mean that Mark was the last to see him at all. Someone else did after Mark left. Just because we are allowed to sleuth MR doesn't make him the only suspect. And just because something is in MSM, doesn't make it true. What we have to do on is MSM but it's not necessarily "proof." When one person changes their story 4 times in one interview, something is wrong. Maybe grief, maybe confusion, maybe some lee-way should be given for emotional devastation, but then if you do that for one, you do that for all. IMO, MOO, JMO and all that.

 

[Confusion]

This is from Cory just this Saturday



So yes Cory does think Mark has played a part here. Unless you have something that came after Saturday from Cory?

Elaine has stated that she thinks Mark may of harmed Dylan.

Also about the phone being switched off as not odd. Of course it is. He is a typical teenager who used his phone all the time " avid texter" . He was away from home and there is absolutely no reason why he would of switched it off when he was teting Ryan and then never switched it back on. Its not typical behavior. :cow:

Do you live in mountains with lousy cell reception? If you do, you probably should have already noticed how fast phone batteries run down when they're left on. He used the phone before leaving CS, probably during the layover in Denver, and started again when he got to Durango. He was texting from the airport, from Walmart, and possibly from McDonald's. He would be txting off and on on the way back to the house, and the phone would be sending out pings quite often looking for a signal in that area, By the time they got home, I'd say he'd either have to charge the battery or the battery would be dead shortly after getting there. My guess is that he turned it off and charged it, but maybe switched to using the ipod instead until he was ready to sleep. Or, maybe he switched to the ipod so there'd be no bill going to mom showing who he was talking to.

I believe CR has said he thinks that MR has done something with him, but that he doesn't believe he'd hurt him. I could of course be wrong, and I'm sure you'll let me know. I should never try posting after taking my night meds, I guess.

 

[SCHMAE]

It just makes it seem obvious to me that no one is really expecting he will suddenly reappear. The media certainly isn't anyway. And I know events take time to plan, but it always strikes me in an odd way when parents plan events for missing children a month in advance. I could not imagine thinking more than an hour ahead at a time. Oh well, it is real life I guess, everything seems to run on media time.

Thank you Cluc! I was wondering this the other day. It's been a couple of weeks they've been talking about his bday ( not family necessarily but the support group of family that are helping them) and I thought Dylan might be home by then. It is odd but I guess in a time like this who can say what is 'normal'. ?

 

[SCHMAE]

What they believe, or at least what they say in public, is evolving as well. When ER first accused MR, she definitely sounded like she believed he killed Dylan. "If I can't have him, no one can" or how she could imagine Dylan saying or doing something to set him off. Her *first* public instinct was that MR hurt him. Only later did the tone change to MR must be hiding him. She hasn't said as much directly to the news that I can recall, but the tone of their message relies on this thinking. It may well be a case of magical thinking that is simply a part of the grief process.

MR, on the other hand, went from swearing Dylan was in the lake (from day one they knew he had a fishing pole) to implying that ER has him hidden (according to some of the FMDR FB posts from the admin) to now, where he seems truly baffled.

I would love to know what ER and Cory thought and said on that long drive from Colo Springs to Bayfield. I would love to know if MR talked to anyone besides LE that first week. Above all, I would love to know what happened to Dylan.

I was thinking about this last night too. In the very early days MR says he may be in the lake, LE should have looked sooner and also said he (paraphrasing) thought Dylan was no longer IN THE AREA . In other words he's in the lake or he's long gone by now ?

 

[DylansMom34]

I am interested to see just how much she is able to get out of Dan Bender.