CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #29

[SCHMAE]

I mentioned this a dozen threads back or so but it might be worth a second thought. Supposing MR was drunk as a skunk on sunday night and fell asleep in a stupor . He gets up monday morning late for his appointments. It was supposed to be 6ish but ended up being 7ish and I've wondered about that quite a lot. He's sleeping away , wakes up , sees the clock, rushes out the door and never even checks on Dylan. He would have no details from the night before because he fell asleep before Dylan and really doesn't remember what was said or done. He gets home from errands and Dylans' gone. Now in this scenario MR did not touch or harm DR at all. But because he fell asleep on the job so to speak, he is riddled with guilt. Because he cannot answer the pertinent questions, he wont' speak to ER and to LE he looks like he's hiding something because of the gaps in information. So he's guilty of negligence but nothing else and he cannot prove or disprove anything because he was crashed out. Maybe he broke DR's phone on accident dropping it while trying to look at a picture on it. Havent' we all had someone say ' look at this pic of x y or z' . They hand u a phone and the pic is small and dark, so you move it around and into the light to try to see it? So the phone breaks, Dylan's like omg dad, u dork. Dad says I'll get u new phone tomorrow, but proceeds to have a few more drinks and passes out. No harm done. Until the next day Dylan is gone and dad can't for the life of him remember much at all and he knows his LACK of memory is key to finding Dylan. But what can you do? If you cannot remember, you cannot !

I know this sounds impossible and statistically speaking , it is. And on many , many theories we've discussed the words improbably and implausible and that's quite a stretch have followed. But you know what ? I think when we do find out where Dylan is we will be saying WOW that is impossible, even though it will be the truth. Whatever happened already is not plausible. So something not plausible has happened to him. Therefore I think theories that seem far fetched are just as likely to be the right ones as not.

A boy has disappeared from a location he normally is not.
He's been missing now for 2 months.
That in itself is statistically almost impossible. We need to
look at the wild theories as much as the normal theories !

IMHO MOO JMO ATJ!~

 

[oceanblueeyes]

imhoo the adversarial family relationship has nothing to do with the topic at hand and only clouds it.

It, from the start, has caused a divide.

Mark Redwine still seems to be communicating with LE and they are the ones investigating this case and the ones that need to be communicated with. Nothing has ever been said from them that he is not communicating.

The man has a flier on his door.

So what does that mean? He has a flier on his door. That is it.

By "helping" if that means contributing to the sites that are pointing fingers at him.. my gosh what would he gain by going there? I have personally read the vitriol there. If I were his lawyer or even his friend I would tell him to stay away from it and just work with LE. I hope he is doing just that.

I have no opinion as to who could be involved or what happened.. all that matters is Dylan being found at this point. The people that need to talk to this man are law enforcement and investigators. If he continues to do that and work with them.. he is doing something to help this investigation. He may not be out waving signs or going on tv but he is talking to the people he needs to talk to. (law enforecement)

They have never said that he has stopped or refused to cooperate.

Just popping in to catch up on any updates in Dylan's case and I see that he has still not been found.

ITA! with you nurse. The great divide came in this case when ER accused Mark Redwine publicly without one thing to back it up. Why is she shocked that the divide is continuing when she is the one that created it in the first place? Now I see that the finger pointing is still continuing. How is that helping to find Dylan and what happened to him? This seems more like a vigilante hunt than actually wanting to keep the focus on Dylan and finding out what happened to him.

The only ones I really care about that would be pointing fingers at Mark Redwine would be law enforcement only. I havent read about this case lately. Have they pointed fingers at this man lately......calling him a or suspect or is it still like it has been from day one? That he is not a suspect and continues to cooperate fully with LE.

Frankly he doesnt have to associate with his accusing ex or son. I sure wouldnt if someone dared to accuse me of harming my own child. :furious: That is the worst thing that one can ever be accused of and that alone would create a divide the size of the Grand Canyon and the accusers could all fall in the canyon if they did that to me.:furious: They could all kiss my royal butt and I would talk with LE only. Didnt Cory beat MR up one time. If I were MR I would stay away from these people and Im sure he will.

All this petty stuff being said means nothing without any evidence to back any of it up.

Thank goodness civilians cant legally convict others and it still takes evidence in a courtroom to prove that someone did something wrong. If finding someone guilty in the court of public opinion could actually happen we would have seen many innocent falsely accused parents over the years who have found themselves in the same situation as MR when a child went missing on their watch and it being based solely on nothing but an opinion. Scary thought indeed.


It matters not if he ever speaks to his ex or son. I dont blame him one iota. When LE comes out and says he is a POI or suspect then I will take notice but until then IMO he is being railroaded by those that just want him to be guilty but doesnt have any evidence to support it and would rather ignore that fact. To these people its what they 'think' not what they 'know' that is being used to judge this man.

Im sure glad that other parents who had the unfortunate experience of having a child go missing on their watch didnt have to experience 40 people surrounding their home as if they were guilty of something when they werent.

IMO

 

[SCHMAE]

But if he had plans to meet Mark then i am sure these people would be checked out. Anybody that stopped by that house on Monday morning would be questioned ( or due to stop by ) .

Also Dylan by all accounts should not of been there that morning and he was visiting town so i just can not see a random perp getting lucky with Dylan.

He is not the only kid in town and the odds would be astronomical that a random person snatched him that morning when you take into account everything else like lack of phone contact , sleeping in that morning , taking 99% of his belongings with him when he set out .

I would believe a stranger abduction a lot more if Dylan had not cut off contact with the world the night before and had not randomly slept in when all his texts point to him being a eager beaver to see R that morning . It was important to Dylan to see R and i believe he would of got up and something stopped him.

:cow:

Maybe it's not someone who frequents the house a lot and not someoen MR even considers a friend. Say LE says to MR , list all of your close friends. Does MR really say the guy at the barbershop who's cut Dylan's hair all his life? The mechanic who always gave Dylan a cold can of Coke while he changed our tire? See what I mean? I live in a small town. I know the names and/ or faces of dozens of people who I would not consider friends, but they've seen my kids grow up. The pharmacist, the oil change guy, the butane truck driver, the librarian, the guy at the chinese drive thru, the snow cone stand lady, the schwans' truck driver, etc etc. I'm talking about someone familiar but not familiar enough that you would automatically pull their name out when thinking of who all Dylan knew in town !

 

[asyousay]

Just popping in to catch up on any updates in Dylan's case and I see that he has still not been found.

ITA! with you nurse. The great divide came in this case when ER accused Mark Redwine publicly without one thing to back it up. Why is she shocked that the divide is continuing when she is the one that created it in the first place? Now I see that the finger pointing is still continuing. How is that helping to find Dylan and what happened to him? This seems more like a vigilante hunt than actually wanting to keep the focus on Dylan and finding out what happened to him.

The only ones I really care about that would be pointing fingers at Mark Redwine would be law enforcement only. I havent read about this case lately. Have they pointed fingers at this man lately......calling him a or suspect or is it still like it has been from day one? That he is not a suspect and continues to cooperate fully with LE.

Frankly he doesnt have to associate with his accusing ex or son. I sure wouldnt if someone dared to accuse me of harming my own child. :furious: That is the worst thing that one can ever be accused of and that alone would create a divide the size of the Grand Canyon and the accusers could all fall in the canyon if they did that to me.:furious: They could all kiss my royal butt and I would talk with LE only. Didnt Cory beat MR up one time. If I were MR I would stay away from these people and Im sure he will.

All this petty stuff being said means nothing without any evidence to back any of it up.

Thank goodness civilians cant legally convict others and it still takes evidence in a courtroom to prove that someone did something wrong. If finding someone guilty and if that could actually happen we would have seen many innocent falsely accused parents over the years who have found themselves in the same situation as MR based solely on nothing but an opinion. Scary thought indeed.


It matters not if he ever speaks to his ex or son. I dont blame him one iota. When LE comes out and says he is a POI or suspect then I will take notice but until then IMO he is being railroaded by those that just want him to be guilty but doesnt have any evidence to support it and would rather ignore that fact. To these people its what they 'think' not what they 'know' that is being used to judge this man.

Im sure glad that other parents who had the unfortunate experience of having a child go missing on their watch didnt have to experience 40 people surrounding their home as if they were guilty of something when they werent.

IMO

I could not agree any less. Loads of people have gotten away with murder due to lack of evidence and people are quite within there rights to point the finger and say they are guilty. All it means is they never got caught. It does not make them not guilty!!

 

[rebeccaeee]

While he could have accepted a ride from someone, what evidence is there that he was actually in a position to be able to do so?
Communications stopped the previous day.
He was eager to see his friend yet didn't respond to any of the texts, and didn't try to contact him in the morning. If he overslept, presumably the first thing he would have done is to contact his friend and let him know that. He would have tried to make new plans on where/when to meet his friend. Why would he just decide to go get a ride, when he didn't even try to contact his friend to figure out where his friend would be. Previous day he seemed concern with details on how he and his friend were going to meet, whether grandma would be o'key with it, where he would be able to get in. Now the next day he is just going to go get a ride, not even knowing where his friend was going to be?

Sure. I agree 99.9%. Just trying on the .01% this morning.

 

[Seajay]

Why couldn't the Father be their yesterday and allow the people that showed up also see he's involved and wants Dylan located and back home safe. So if he had stayed home and walked outside to display support, and a few people decided to use angry words towards him, The Father could've walked back inside, and allowed the actions of others to be the Reason,

In all fairness, this thing was advertised at a "protest" towards him for not giving answers and a "demonstration" to demand answers from him. From HIM. Why would he stay at home and go out and face a mob of angry people? Why would have answer questions to not just one or two angry people but 25? (Which it was advertised it was 100.) That would be insanity to do that. He's suppose to protest himself? Demonstrate himself???? This was NOT ALWAYS a "rally for support."

 

[rebeccaeee]

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I've thought about that and have come up with this : If someone MR knew was a closet predator , or unknown SO , then perhaps that person had been watching DR . Then when he realized DR moved away with mom that person thought he missed his chance. Then he sees DR on monday morning and thinks WOW he's back, I won't let this chance slip away. Maybe in the interim, he's spoken to MR and found out DR would be here that week.

So sickening to say that , but you know those freak shows could be thinking like that.

This is exactly what i was thinking when mentioning coaches/teachers. His baseball coach was quoted in the Durango Herald "Boy's Life" article I think and this made me look at how many other, non-family adults Dylan might have been around and then *poof* he moves over the summer. I dunno- predators aren't rational thinkers so it is hard to imagine. Still bears consideration.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I could not agree any less. Loads of people have gotten away with murder due to lack of evidence and people are quite within there rights to point the finger and say they are guilty. All it means is they never got caught. It does not make them not guilty!!

And people have been falsely accused of being guilty by the public at large when they werent so I fail to see your point.

There is no evidence that they suspect MR and dont have the evidence either.

The one pointing fingers is not LE and they never have.

IMO

 

[DylansMom34]

The focus IS Dylan. There are quite a few of us who have posted here since thread one. We've agreed on things, disagreed on other things, and have pondered what happened to Dylan, worried about him, speculated who may be responsible. I don't know if others have lost sleep thinking about Dylan, but I suspect I am not the only one. The focus has never not been Dylan. It just seems IMO that all roads lead back to something happened Sunday night or very early Monday morning, so the likely scenarios are really fairly limited.

 

[SCHMAE]

The focus IS Dylan. There are quite a few of us who have posted here since thread one. We've agreed on things, disagreed on other things, and have pondered what happened to Dylan, worried about him, speculated who may be responsible. I don't know if others have lost sleep thinking about Dylan, but I suspect I am not the only one. The focus has never not been Dylan. It just seems IMO that all roads lead back to something happened Sunday night or very early Monday morning, so the likely scenarios are really fairly limited.

Agreed ! I would say if Dylan was ok on monday morning at 7 am, then the sky's the limit as to what happened to him. I would say if he and his phone went 'offline' at the same time then there's only one person who knows what happened .

 

[NC Analyzer]

Maybe it's not someone who frequents the house a lot and not someoen MR even considers a friend. Say LE says to MR , list all of your close friends. Does MR really say the guy at the barbershop who's cut Dylan's hair all his life? The mechanic who always gave Dylan a cold can of Coke while he changed our tire? See what I mean? I live in a small town. I know the names and/ or faces of dozens of people who I would not consider friends, but they've seen my kids grow up. The pharmacist, the oil change guy, the butane truck driver, the librarian, the guy at the chinese drive thru, the snow cone stand lady, the schwans' truck driver, etc etc. I'm talking about someone familiar but not familiar enough that you would automatically pull their name out when thinking of who all Dylan knew in town !

Really not trying to be disrespectful and I DO understand what you are saying, but honestly, Law Enforcement personnel do grasp how to conduct an investigation. The examples you provided are just part of a routine investigation process and I'm confident that has all been checked out.

JMO

 

[scorekeeper]

https://www.facebook.com/FindMissingDylanRedwine?filter=2

there's a post about what kind of work someone really does

 

[mmmagique]

I don't agree. MR NEEDS to talk to LE and LE has said he has and IS cooperating. Only thing that matters is finding Dylan Redwine.

What he ate or if he brushed his teeth, took a shower is not important, IMO. FINDING Dylan is important. Dylan IS the only thing important.
JMO . LE NEED to find Dylan and they will. IMO. Good people in La Plata County are on this case along with the FBI and the CBI and others. I have faith. I continue to have faith.

I may stand alone, but I stand with LPLE and the FBI/CBI.

It isn't the only thing that matters though. Dylan's loved ones matter. MR's other son with ER matters. Just the fact that they had a history and made a family matters.

Everything matters, and MR is acting like it doesn't. (imo)

 

[mmmagique]

And another thing, it's obvious from that interview that MR is reading what's being said online. If he's innocent, my God, how that must hurt. Think about it. How would you feel (general you) if you were going through probably the worst time in your life and people were spewing venom and outright hatred your way; calling you an alcoholic and a murderer. None of us know how that would feel. We say, "Aww, I would suck it up and do the right thing and talk to anyone who wants to listen." Unfortunately, anyone who wants to listen to MR right now, just wants to tear down his every sentence and twist it all to hell.

I understand what you're saying, and it would make me mad. I would never say there are too many people playing Nancy Drew behind their keyboards, however. Parents of missing children want and need as many people thinking, caring about and talking about their missing loved ones as possible. It takes the right person, at the right time, to see the right thing, (or remember it) and the case can be blown wide open.

Innocent parents beg for the public's attention. They need it. They need to know others are searching and caring as well.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The focus IS Dylan. There are quite a few of us who have posted here since thread one. We've agreed on things, disagreed on other things, and have pondered what happened to Dylan, worried about him, speculated who may be responsible. I don't know if others have lost sleep thinking about Dylan, but I suspect I am not the only one. The focus has never not been Dylan. It just seems IMO that all roads lead back to something happened Sunday night or very early Monday morning, so the likely scenarios are really fairly limited.

BBM
In my opinion all roads do not lead to something happening to Dylan Sunday night or early Monday morning. I believe that an abduction after Mark left the house is just as possible. MOO.

 

[DylansMom34]

I guess because this site is called websleuths, much of the focus on any case is going to be speculations or ideas as to what may have happened. In this particular case, even the rules have been amended to allow sleuthing of MR. However, just to be clear about why we are all here, I personally have posted numerous times and I have seen many posts completely about nothing but our concern for Dylan.

 

[KateNY]

Anyone recall offhand...how long has MR lived in that house?
Was it just since the divorce?

 

[scorekeeper]

I respectfully disagree. Not from what I've been seeing. It's been all about Mark. Dylan has just been used as a path to lead to Mark, and why it's Mark. It's hard to remember any posts about "Dylan" who haven't included words like is father, his dad, MR, Mark, etc. This whole case has become about Mark and how he did it.

I don't know....perhaps LE told Mark...the heats gonna' be on you because we can't play all our cards and we don't want to tip the abductor that we are on to them???? So you go ahead and act like a victim yourself?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Really not trying to be disrespectful and I DO understand what you are saying, but honestly, Law Enforcement personnel do grasp how to conduct an investigation. The examples you provided are just part of a routine investigation process and I'm confident that has all been checked out.

JMO

I would hope that LE has checked out all possible suspects that they are aware of. Does that mean that they have all been ruled out?

 

[catswhiskers]

Just popping in to catch up on any updates in Dylan's case and I see that he has still not been found.

ITA! with you nurse. The great divide came in this case when ER accused Mark Redwine publicly without one thing to back it up. Why is she shocked that the divide is continuing when she is the one that created it in the first place? Now I see that the finger pointing is still continuing. How is that helping to find Dylan and what happened to him? This seems more like a vigilante hunt than actually wanting to keep the focus on Dylan and finding out what happened to him.

The only ones I really care about that would be pointing fingers at Mark Redwine would be law enforcement only. I havent read about this case lately. Have they pointed fingers at this man lately......calling him a or suspect or is it still like it has been from day one? That he is not a suspect and continues to cooperate fully with LE.

Frankly he doesnt have to associate with his accusing ex or son. I sure wouldnt if someone dared to accuse me of harming my own child. :furious: That is the worst thing that one can ever be accused of and that alone would create a divide the size of the Grand Canyon and the accusers could all fall in the canyon if they did that to me.:furious: They could all kiss my royal butt and I would talk with LE only. Didnt Cory beat MR up one time. If I were MR I would stay away from these people and Im sure he will.

All this petty stuff being said means nothing without any evidence to back any of it up.

Thank goodness civilians cant legally convict others and it still takes evidence in a courtroom to prove that someone did something wrong. If finding someone guilty in the court of public opinion could actually happen we would have seen many innocent falsely accused parents over the years who have found themselves in the same situation as MR when a child went missing on their watch and it being based solely on nothing but an opinion. Scary thought indeed.


It matters not if he ever speaks to his ex or son. I dont blame him one iota. When LE comes out and says he is a POI or suspect then I will take notice but until then IMO he is being railroaded by those that just want him to be guilty but doesnt have any evidence to support it and would rather ignore that fact. To these people its what they 'think' not what they 'know' that is being used to judge this man.

Im sure glad that other parents who had the unfortunate experience of having a child go missing on their watch didnt have to experience 40 people surrounding their home as if they were guilty of something when they werent.

IMO

Good to see you OceanBlueEyes, and I agree totally.