CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #29

[vasportsmom]

He's cooperating fully with LE - that is what he is doing. Perhaps he knows that the best chance of finding his son isn't going on TV every chance he gets and making veiled accusations and throwing everybody off, and instead recognizes that it is LE, and not bake sales and car washes, that will eventually solve this case.

People handle grief and tragedy very differently.

One, if he is cooperating fully with LE why has he refused the 2nd LDT? Two, read any other missing person thread here - there is post after post after post talking about how the family absolutely needs to talk to the media and keep their loved one's face & story out there so I don't think it is fair to condemn C & E for doing the exact same thing we beg every other family to do!

 

[deoneta]

Sadly I agree with you. It would be nice if Mark could be treated fairly by the public but I guess that's impossible. MOO.

Mark could improve the public's perception if instead of addressing Nancy Drews and Nancy Graces he thanked volunteers who've braved the cold to search for his son, raised reward money, tried to increase public awareness and offered prayers. Speaking directly to a possible abductor, a potential witness or even a message to his missing son in hopes that it might reach him would be more positive than dwelling on his hurt feelings. All MOO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Mark could improve the public's perception if instead of addressing Nancy Drews and Nancy Graces he thanked volunteers who've braved the cold to search for his son, raised reward money, tried to increase public awareness and offered prayers. Speaking directly to a possible abductor, a potential witness or even a message to his missing son in hopes that it might reach him would be more positive than dwelling on his hurt feelings. All MOO.

I wonder if Mark did all of these things would public support for him swing into action? Or is it too late now? When he said that he was willing to talk to Elaine with the help of a mediator I saw a lot of comments saying that it's too late now, he should have talked to her two months ago. MOO.

 

[Dixie811]

One, if he is cooperating fully with LE why has he refused the 2nd LDT? Two, read any other missing person thread here - there is post after post after post talking about how the family absolutely needs to talk to the media and keep their loved one's face & story out there so I don't think it is fair to condemn C & E for doing the exact same thing we beg every other family to do!

Just jumping off your post, vasportsmom...

I am confused by all the talk of MR "refusing a 2nd LDT". I know this detail did not come from LE, it came from Cory IIRC. But then Cory also said that LE has not told the family any details in addition to what has been shared with the public. I also remember the quote from Bender stating LE is not interested in sharing any information about LDTs.

So, is that a rumor? I am genuinely confused on this. If someone could provide me with a link to show that this information is not a rumor I would appreciate it!

 

[Helenstreet]

He's cooperating fully with LE - that is what he is doing. Perhaps he knows that the best chance of finding his son isn't going on TV every chance he gets and making veiled accusations and throwing everybody off, and instead recognizes that it is LE, and not bake sales and car washes, that will eventually solve this case.

People handle grief and tragedy very differently.

I haven't posted on Websleuths very often lately, but this is one of the cases that I try to follow. I really do respect your opinions, but personally I find it very troubling that Dylan's own father is not speaking out for him. If Dylan's disappearance is the result of an abduction, it is very important to keep Dylan's case in the media. Generally, the parents of a missing child are in the best position to do this. The "bake sales and car washes" are a means of raising money to bring awareness to Dylan's plight through adding to the reward fund, public outreach, etc. This case in some ways reminds me of Ayla Reynolds disappearance in terms of the fact that one parent is not actively speaking out for their child. While I realize that Mark Redwine spoke a few times shortly after Dylan disappeared, it is troubling to me that he hadn't spoken out in several weeks until the rally in front of his home was announced. Then, it was only to defend himself and his inaction in being involved in trying to find his son, Dylan. MOO.

 

[SmoothOperator]

Were they accused of killing their own child in the media by their ex?

imo

Hiya OBE:seeya: glad to see you

As far Mark Redwine being accused of killing his own child in the media by his ex-wife Elaine.. TBH she has never stated Mark Redwine killed their son, but rather after more than a week into her son's disappearance she voiced IMO her honest, terrifying worst nightmare in fearing that could Mark have removed Dylan from the situation.. she still 2 months well into her son still being missing has not publicly made the accusation that Mark Redwine murdered their son..

Regarding comparison of Mark Lunsford and the suspicion that swirled around him until it was learned that his little Jessi had in fact come face to face with the devil himself, John Couey.. and the face of this devil incarnate was not only the face and eyes that Jessi last saw before her unimaginable, torturous death..but even worse there were literal dozens of hours that she had his evil fully unleashed on her in brutal and perverse ways that make grown adults tremble in just merely *thinking* about what she endured..

Yes, you're correct there was suspicion in some people's opinion regarding Mark Lunsford being involved and responsible for his daughter's disappearance.(as a side note, not that it matters, but I personally was NOT of the opinion that Mark was in any way involved in Jessi's disappearance).. And several have used Mark Lunsford as a comparison to M. Redwine throughout various stages of Dylan's threads and how that so, too was Mark Lunsford like Mark Redwine in also being NOT INVOLVED(in some opinions), yet facing the same erroneous accusations, circumstance/situations, and unfounded suspicion that's baseless..

But IMO I could not disagree more with this comparison of these two men and the suspicion(baseless or not) that they face or have faced during the course of the investigation and search for each of their children..

IMO Mark Redwine is NOTHING like, nor even similar in any way to Mark Lunsford..not alike as a person, and not even alike or similar WRT baseless suspicion and scrutiny either of these men are facing or have faced during the search for their child.

Mark Lunsford fought tirelessly to keep searching for Jessi , REGARDLESS OF WHAT SUSPICION OR BS WAS HURLED HIS WAY.

Mark Lunsford WAS THE VOICE for Jessi, who was unable to speak and cry out for help, and her father with the extreme discomfort, awkwardness, and totally unfamiliar with speaking publicly and being on camera..MARK LUNSFORD FOR ONE PERSON AND ONE PERSON ONLY PUT ALL OF THAT ASIDE AND CONTINUED TO PUBLICLY FIGHT FOR JESSI IN EVERY WAY HUMANLY POSSIBLE..

That's not happening here!

There are also IMO no similarities with suspicion on each of the fathers.. IMO snipped below gives a tiny glimpse into the well full of facts that IMO prove these two individuals, nor their sharing being or having been under an umbrella of suspicion, ARE EVEN IN THE SAME OR EVEN NEAR BALLPARK..

I'll absolutely, without doubt agree that one of these men did have baseless suspicion and scrutiny regarding their possible involvement in their child's disappearance.

<snip>

The sheriff said nothing suspicious was found on the family&#8217;s computer and that Lunsford and his father, Archie Lunsford, had both passed FBI tests that measure changes in voice stress levels as a way of verifying whether a person is telling the truth.

Mark Lunsford also passed an FBI polygraph test. &#8220;None of his answers to questions set any alarms off,&#8221; said Citrus County Sheriff Jeff Dawsy.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7030409/ns/us_news/t/second-phase-begins-search-florida-girl/

<snipped>

Mark Lunsford passed FBI LDT, Mark Lunsford passed voice analysis test.. how do we know?.. because LE TOLD US..
Unlike what's been claimed that LE WOULD JUST NEVER EVER RELEASE SUCH RESULTS.. The fact is YES, THEY DO!

Another fact in the full well is that Jessica Lunsford was NOT WITH Mark Lunsford at the point in time when she disappeared..she was with her grandparents, in their home. It was a verified fact that Mark Lunsford was spending the night at a girlfriend's home, whom he was with the entire time in question of when Jessica disappeared.

Mark Redwine had just within hours received Dylan into his physical custody due to court ordered visitation and this is from where Dylan disappeared.. there is not even a point in time established of when Dylan disappeared.

Really this is just a tiny bit of what IMO presents that there is a clear cut, very strong difference between everything regarding these two men.. IMO I find the differences so great and so many that I wouldn't be able to even correlate or compare the two.. IMO the differences are night and day.

All jmo.

 

[vasportsmom]

I wonder if Mark did all of these things would public support for him swing into action? Or is it too late now? When he said that he was willing to talk to Elaine with the help of a mediator I saw a lot of comments saying that it's too late now, he should have talked to her two months ago. MOO.

That's a fair question and honestly I don't know if it would help. As a mother it seems really cruel to me that he is refusing to answer Elaine's & Cory's questions. I'll admit to judging him pretty harshly for that alone but at the same time I think that hurting Elaine and making her "need" him is the end goal so I wish she could find peace without having to beg him for it.

I do think it is too late for him to change the minds of those that have followed the case from beginning, especially those that have read the DRN group page. I'm just not sure that there is a win option available to him but when a child is missing winning should take a back seat to simply doing what is right anyway.

 

[scorekeeper]

great post, smooth!!

 

[scorekeeper]

I wonder how many media outlets have offered Mark the opportunity to sit down and discuss Dylan from the time he picked Dylan up at the airport until the time he reported him missing?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Now that the demonstration/protest/rally is over, will Elaine accept Mark's offer to get together and talk with the help of a mediator? She has said that one of her goals is to "get answers" from Mark. What will happen if he doesn't have any of the answers that she seeks? Will she and Cory organize another protest at Marks home?

 

[cluciano63]

However Cory learned about his dad's LD test, I believe he is telling the truth as he knows it. And since MR will not talk about it, we only have Cory's version, easy enough for MR to dispute if untrue, i.e that he did in fact pass and that no one wants him to take another one.

I have never heard of anyone reluctant to discuss result of their own LD test if they passed, it goes against human nature, IMO.

 

[cluciano63]

Now that the demonstration/protest/rally is over, will Elaine accept Mark's offer to get together and talk with the help of a mediator? She has said that one of her goals is to "get answers" from Mark. What will happen if he doesn't have any of the answers that she seeks? Will she and Cory organize another protest at Marks home?

I think she would move on, if he passed a polygraph, JMO.

 

[NC Analyzer]

So Mark should hire a team of professionals to help with his public image? Sounds expensive to me.

Three things come to mind after reading this reply:

1. My post never said anything about a "team" of professionals.

2. How much is your child's life worth to you....monetarily speaking. That is, if you can even put a price on a life.

3. If it is really a "money" issue, there are ways to solve that problem as well. I can't see any single man "needing" 2 large gas guzzling trucks at one time. Just saying, but also there are wonderful supporters for Dylan's case...perhaps MR should just go ahead with that auction he was complaining ER didn't want to do. He could use some of the profit to hire someone....or maybe he could just do what a lot of people in these situations do and that is to ask a friend or family member to be his public voice. Or just choose a media outlet and ask to sit down, one-on-one to discuss the events of that evening.

There is always a solution to every problem. Some people choose to find the solution and others complain about it. MR chooses to play the victim and complains about what everyone else is doing as opposed to resolving the problem.

JMO and MOO

 

[aust amateur slueth]

MR said early on that he didn't want the focus to be on him, for two months now his actions and words have been all about him IMO

has he taken any steps to not be the focus? Has Dylan been his main focus?

 

[mijamawi]

MR said early on that he didn't want the focus to be on him, for two months now his actions and words have been all about him IMO

has he taken any steps to not be the focus? Has Dylan been his main focus?

He is answering specific questions the reporters are asking. If a reporter asks, "So, what do YOU think of this protest?" "What are YOU doing to help in the search?" Why is YOUR son having to stage a protest?" How else is he supposed to answer those questions without mentioning himself? The reporters print what they want and what sells papers. JMO

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Three things come to mind after reading this reply:

1. My post never said anything about a "team" of professionals.

2. How much is your child's life worth to you....monetarily speaking. That is, if you can even put a price on a life.

3. If it is really a "money" issue, there are ways to solve that problem as well. I can't see any single man "needing" 2 large gas guzzling trucks at one time. Just saying, but also there are wonderful supporters for Dylan's case...perhaps MR should just go ahead with that auction he was complaining ER didn't want to do. He could use some of the profit to hire someone....or maybe he could just do what a lot of people in these situations do and that is to ask a friend or family member to be his public voice. Or just choose a media outlet and ask to sit down, one-on-one to discuss the events of that evening.

There is always a solution to every problem. Some people choose to find the solution and others complain about it. MR chooses to play the victim and complains about what everyone else is doing as opposed to resolving the problem.

JMO and MOO

In my opinion if Mark got the money to hire one or all of the professionals that you listed in your previous post they would not be able to rehabilitate his image to the majority of the people who are following this case. No matter what he's says people will not believe him. MOO.

 

[Angelonline]

:sigh: I wish we had some real news. Where are you Dylan?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I think she would move on, if he passed a polygraph, JMO.

So getting together and talking might not make a difference but a polygraph would? I wonder if someone told her that Mark could pass a polygraph and still be responsible for Dylan's disappearance would she still move on? MOO.

 

[DylansMom34]

If the local and federal investigators have been reviewing the results of tests and discussing strategy, there must be something to strategize over. If they do not want to "show their cards" there must be something in those cards.

I remain hopeful that LE is putting everything together and that at some point (hopefully soon) something will happen.

 

[vasportsmom]

However Cory learned about his dad's LD test, I believe he is telling the truth as he knows it. And since MR will not talk about it, we only have Cory's version, easy enough for MR to dispute if untrue, i.e that he did in fact pass and that no one wants him to take another one.

I have never heard of anyone reluctant to discuss result of their own LD test if they passed, it goes against human nature, IMO.

Exactly! I get so frustrated with the "we are only hearing one side" excuse for dismissing Cory & Elaine. Mark has made the decision not to speak out for whatever reason. He has every right to stay silent but using his refusal to address the media as a reason to criticize C & E is nonsensical. They want him to talk. They have begged him to talk. I'm sure the media has made countless offers for him to talk. He won't so he alone is responsible for his side not being told.