CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #29

[katydid23]

From that same NG show, an interesting response from an expert polygrapher:

GRACE:

Now, explain to me how you`re fitting that together because no one was telling us whether she had taken the second polygraph or not. But I know this much. And you can back me up on this, Mark Smith, joining us out of New York -- he`s a polygraph expert, VP of New Jersey Polygraphists.

Mark, police don`t want a second polygraph if you pass the first one with flying colors. I mean, there`s no police manual or procedure that says that, but in my experience with police, once you pass the first polygraph with flying colors, they don`t drag you back down to the station for a second poly. Would you agree with that analysis?

MARK SMITH, POLYGRAPH EXPERT:

Typically, that`s true. Something may have come up, new information after the first polygraph, and they want to follow up on that.

GRACE: Well, in my mind, Mark, you`re right. That`s looking at it extremely optimistically.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1006/29/ng.01.html


So maybe they just need more information from MR .....

Maybe. And if so, that makes it even more important for him to agree to take one, imo.

I agree wholeheartedly with Mark Klass, who always advises the parents and family members to TAKE A POLY so you can clear yourself and allow LE to move on to greener pastures. JMO

 

[cluciano63]

So what are the options here, for what happened to Dylan, if we take away those ruled out by LE; abduction by stranger, local or otherwise, probably not alive; killed by MR between 9:37pm Sunday and sometime on Monday morning before he appeared for his errands/alibi.

Those are all that remain for me. The "hiding" thing is not an option in my mind, as when this has happened, it has been obvious who has the child, just not where.

I suppose there is a small chance that the abductor has him alive, but a very small one, IMO.

But how is LE to figure this out when it seems impossible, at least to me, to know if Dylan was even alive by Monday morning, since he ceased communications the night before and never resumed?

Other valid theories? I know some seem to think a family member has him, but IMO, impossible after two-plus months for LE not to have worked this out. And he is a teen boy, after all, not a baby or toddler.

 

[cluciano63]

I think we had a poster on here who had to take a LDT (not for a criminal matter)... but she stated that she was never told the results.

^^I'm not making any inferences about MR or this case based on that. But I don't know that we can make a blanket statement that MR or others would be told the results of his LDT. Actually, someone (why do I never remember any poster's names?) just mentioned above that it could be a LE tactic to tell the subject of a LDT that they did not pass. IMO, that would be brilliant when trying to get info from a POI.

But, truthfully none of us here know the details of this LDT business with MR. Please don't think that by my questioning how factual or rumor it is that MR has refused a second poly for weeks on end now that I am insinuating Cory must be lying. I think Cory whole-heartedly believes everything he puts onto FB or in the media & that he just wants to find his brother. I'm sure most if not all of it is the truth. But because there is so much passion involved and a lack of communication between parties, sometimes I wonder where certain information has come from. That's all. =)

:moo:

I wonder too, but again, very easy for MR to address, if not true.

 

[mijamawi]

Why are we speaking of the failed poly as fact? We don't know this. LE has not said anything of the sort, and I'll take my cues from LE over CR every day.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Maybe. And if so, that makes it even more important for him to agree to take one, imo.

I agree wholeheartedly with Mark Klass, who always advises the parents and family members to TAKE A POLY so you can clear yourself and allow LE to move on to greener pastures. JMO

Marc Klass is well respected and makes a good point in saying that it's a good idea for the last person to be with the missing child (parent or guardian) to take a polygraph. Do you know if he has said anything about someone who passes the test but they are still the most viable suspect because of a lack of evidence? I would assume that passing the test would not necessarily clear such a person right?

 

[cluciano63]

If this was an abduction, my guess it was done by a local, who could easily get back to his home or property within a few hours at most, long before Dylan was reported missing. Though in most cases we have seen where a local has been the perp, the body of the victim has been found in the general area, or not far off. Still, this type of a rural setting could make it more difficult. This is my best-guess scenario for what became of Holly Bobo. I do not think she was taken more than ten or twenty miles away, but that is still too much distance to search all of it.

 

[Dixie811]

I wonder too, but again, very easy for MR to address, if not true.

You're right!

Hey, I'm wondering...some have been a little stumped as to why LE wouldn't come out and say that MR has been cleared if that's the case. I am also wondering why, if MR is blatantly refusing said 2nd LDT, would it be normal for LE to say... MR is no longer cooperating? I understand that maybe LE doesn't want to name MR as a POI in order to avoid "tipping him off that they are on to him". But what does he think? 'Nah, I'm not doing that second LDT and they're cool with it, they don't suspect me at all.'

If they asked for a second LDT I would think he would already be aware that they suspect he is involved.

 

[cluciano63]

Why are we speaking of the failed poly as fact? We don't know this. LE has not said anything of the sort, and I'll take my cues from LE over CR every day.

Very few people had such qualms in taking Kaine and Desiree's word for it about TH failing tests, walking out, etc...they have been generally believed all along, no matter what they have said.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Well, there ya go. Just as I pointed out, this is a tactical maneuver. It happens often and it's not a secret.
The difference is, some of those parents you are referring to, DID address it themselves and MR isn't. Perhaps not everyone believed them, but they tried. The cases that have not been resolved and a parent is suspected, rather point to the same type of behavior we are seeing here. Just an observation.

JMO and MOO

The fact remains the police did not remove them from being in the hotseat the entire time ...they did not defend them..not once. They left them twisting in the wind at the worst time in their lives. Mark Lunsford told NG that one of the things that hurt and angered him the most was what was being said on the internet about him and his parents before Couey was arrested.

It was the vast majority who did not believe any of these parents. Those that did believe them were in a small minority just like in this case.

The majority saw suspicion in everything they did even though they spoke out publicly which shows me a parent in this situation is damned if they do and damned if they dont.


IMO

 

[cluciano63]

You're right!

Hey, I'm wondering...some have been a little stumped as to why LE wouldn't come out and say that MR has been cleared if that's the case. I am also wondering why, if MR is blatantly refusing said 2nd LDT, would it be normal for LE to say... MR is no longer cooperating? I understand that maybe LE doesn't want to name MR as a POI in order to avoid "tipping him off that they are on to him". But what does he think? 'Nah, I'm not doing that second LDT and they're cool with it, they don't suspect me at all.'

If they asked for a second LDT I would think he would already be aware that they suspect he is involved.

Some LEA's talks about polygraphs, some do not.
As far as tipping him off, I have no doubts that he knows he under suspicion. If he felt he was in the clear, or had been given that impression, he would say so, IMO.

LE has never taken back their statement that he has not been called a POI, nor has he been cleared as one, from December.

 

[cluciano63]

Marc Klass is well respected and makes a good point in saying that it's a good idea for the last person to be with the missing child (parent or guardian) to take a polygraph. Do you know if he has said anything about someone who passes the test but they are still the most viable suspect because of a lack of evidence? I would assume that passing the test would not necessarily clear such a person right?

I think it would depend on the result of the test, plus other circumstances, such as alibi, if this was the last and only person known to see the person, etc. A passed LD test probably takes the focus off of a person if no other suspicious circumstances surround them. I do believe that Jessica's mom was cleared before her body was found, and she was the last to see her, so perhaps a polygraph was a deciding factor.

 

[Dixie811]

Some LEA's talks about polygraphs, some do not.
As far as tipping him off, I have no doubts that he knows he under suspicion. If he felt he was in the clear, or had been given that impression, he would say so, IMO.

LE has never taken back their statement that he has not been called a POI, nor has he been cleared as one, from December.

Yep. I guess my point was that while I do believe MR is under suspicion with LE, I am basing that on my common sense rather than on the fact that LE has not publicly cleared him. They have not publicly named him a POI either.

I personally think it is likely that they are building a case against him, but need something more before they are able to make an arrest.

 

[cluciano63]

Yep. I guess my point was that while I do believe MR is under suspicion with LE, I am basing that on my common sense rather than on the fact that LE has not publicly cleared him. They have not publicly named him a POI either.

I personally think it is likely that they are building a case against him, but need something more before they are able to make an arrest.

If true, my fear is there is nothing else for them to find, except of course Dylan. and that discovery may or may not provide answers enough.

 

[Dee10]

I believe they said he wasn't an "official" POI. I take that to mean he is just not officially being named at this time.

 

[DylansMom34]

I don't think cooperation has been mentioned in the news stories the past few days. Unless I missed it?

 

[cluciano63]

If one is "damned" either way, why not throw caution to the wind, and take the tests, talk up a storm look for your child, make a fuss, etc...

 

[katydid23]

Marc Klass is well respected and makes a good point in saying that it's a good idea for the last person to be with the missing child (parent or guardian) to take a polygraph. Do you know if he has said anything about someone who passes the test but they are still the most viable suspect because of a lack of evidence? I would assume that passing the test would not necessarily clear such a person right?

I think it usually does, UNLESS there is other evidence that is pointing towards the person. JMO

 

[katydid23]

Why are we speaking of the failed poly as fact? We don't know this. LE has not said anything of the sort, and I'll take my cues from LE over CR every day.

I don't think anyone said it was 'failed.' I think it was reported as 'inconclusive.'


I will gladly believe what CR publicly reports. I think he has Dylan's BEST INTERESTS at heart, imo.

 

[marlywings]

I believe they said he wasn't an "official" POI. I take that to mean he is just not officially being named at this time.

I don't recall the following being changed since early December. If anyone has a report which states it has could you please post it??

BBM

12/01/2012

Mark Redwine, Dylan's father, was interviewed at length Thursday night by investigators. He did not ask for an attorney and is not considered a suspect or person of interest in the case, officials said.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...or-help-from-public-in-criminal-investigation

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I think it would depend on the result of the test, plus other circumstances, such as alibi, if this was the last and only person known to see the person, etc. A passed LD test probably takes the focus off of a person if no other suspicious circumstances surround them. I do believe that Jessica's mom was cleared before her body was found, and she was the last to see her, so perhaps a polygraph was a deciding factor.

How about a failed LDT but no other evidence showing responsibility for the disappearance. Should LE focus on that person vs someone else who may have evidence that points to them or should they investigate both persons?