CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #29

[Confusion]

Oh, I thought you meant that he agreed to take a polygraph.

Cory wants his dad to answer questions about what happened right before Cory went missing. Apparently MR will not discuss it with CR or ER. I think he owes them that discussion.

I know you didn't mean what you wrote, but I wanted to point out the error before another rumor got started...Cory never went missing! :what: I have nothing of importance to add to the discussion.

 

[mijamawi]

Oh, I thought you meant that he agreed to take a polygraph.

Cory wants his dad to answer questions about what happened right before Cory went missing. Apparently MR will not discuss it with CR or ER. I think he owes them that discussion.

Well I've gone back through the media and it seems a lot of the links point to more recent stories, like they overwrite their original stories. Anyway, I believe an official stated both parents were given polys but would not discuss results.

We have no idea what the initial texts were like from ER or CR. If he was accused outright and early on, then I don't blame him for not wanting to talk to them. He's talked to LE. He agreed to an in depth interview with authorities, including FBI, without a lawyer present.

People have wondered why he waited so long to contact ER. What if he did eventually locate Dylan safe and sound at a friend's house but he had already contacted ER about not knowing where he was. IMO he waited to contact her until he absolutely knew something was really wrong.

 

[rebeccaeee]

I have noticed the same language from the family. In fact, this is RUMOR.. but Cory has stated that he doesn't think MR would hurt Dylan & that he never hurt him (Cory). .. Which seems to contradict the story of MR swinging at one of the boys after having sex on the lawn?? :aktion1: Cory was present for that incident, yet states he doesn't think MR would ever harm Dylan?? IDK. It's interesting to me that they are so convinced he is involved in Dylan's disappearance, but do not seem to think he harmed him. Maybe they just won't allow themselves to consider this possibility??

My take on this is that when kids grow up with abuse or are regularly physically disciplined, they don't think of it as getting hurt. They think this is just what parents do, not good but not horrible, just the state of things. Could be MR never laid a hand on him or could be that he did or could be that MR threatened but never hit or only hit Er or never hit anyone at all, we don't know. FWIW I didn't take Cory's statement to mean that MR never smacked him, not at all.

ETA: I believe AZGrandma has mentioned the conditions of her own boys and MR.

 

[katydid23]

I know you didn't mean what you wrote, but I wanted to point out the error before another rumor got started...Cory never went missing! :what: I have nothing of importance to add to the discussion.

OOPs. sorry--thanks for the correction.[ I edited it.]

 

[dlc]

I think we had a poster on here who had to take a LDT (not for a criminal matter)... but she stated that she was never told the results.

^^I'm not making any inferences about MR or this case based on that. But I don't know that we can make a blanket statement that MR or others would be told the results of his LDT. Actually, someone (why do I never remember any poster's names?) just mentioned above that it could be a LE tactic to tell the subject of a LDT that they did not pass. IMO, that would be brilliant when trying to get info from a POI.

But, truthfully none of us here know the details of this LDT business with MR. Please don't think that by my questioning how factual or rumor it is that MR has refused a second poly for weeks on end now that I am insinuating Cory must be lying. I think Cory whole-heartedly believes everything he puts onto FB or in the media & that he just wants to find his brother. I'm sure most if not all of it is the truth. But because there is so much passion involved and a lack of communication between parties, sometimes I wonder where certain information has come from. That's all. =)

:moo:

Many threads ago, we discussed who received the results of polygraphs. At that time, I posted a police department statement (maybe Cleveland?, I can't find it now) stating that the person taking the test always receives the results. I just checked the official position of the American Polygraph Association, and they too confirm that the results are given to the examinee. The only place I found where the results weren't shared as freely/quickly was the NSA, which uses polygraphs for its employees. Ultimately, the examinee does receive the results, but the Agency puts the test through some kind of quality control process first, so there is a lag in receipt.

 

[mijamawi]

My take on this is that when kids grow up with abuse or are regularly physically disciplined, they don't think of it as getting hurt. They think this is just what parents do, not good but not horrible, just the state of things. Could be MR never laid a hand on him or could be that he did or could be that MR threatened but never hit or only hit Er or never hit anyone at all, we don't know. FWIW I didn't take Cory's statement to mean that MR never smacked him, not at all.

ETA: I believe AZGrandma has mentioned the conditions of her own boys and MR.

BBM, it's a pretty far reach to go from physically disciplined to abuse. I think there's a big difference between a spanking and murder. Cory is 21, he knows the difference in discipline and actual harm to a person. IMO

 

[scorekeeper]

I would tend to agree with you if Elaine was more neutral in her comments about Mark. She seems to believe that he has something to do with Dylan's disappearance and I feel that opinion will sway her in that direction if and when they talk. MOO.

just jumping off your post...

Dylan went missing the Monday before Thanksgiving

Elaine spoke with ABC the Monday after Thanksgiving

Elaine and Cory, I believe, spoke to media during that initial week (why wasn't Mark with them)?

Mark would/could not answer his cell or home phone (there was an early article that said both rang but no answer) for the media (not sure when he came to door with pillow). I think he said he was waiting for family to come from out of town (his brother). Wonder why his brother didn't speak for Mark?

It is my understanding also that Mark was not answering calls/texts from Cory or Elaine either that first week.

I believe Mark texted Elaine to tell her Dylan was missing. :what:

I wonder why Mark and Elaine didn't meet the minute she arrived in the Bayfield area? I mean LE was treating Dylan as a runaway; I don't think that would mean that they were questioning Mark for hours on end. Did he just report him missing then go and stay locked in his house?

I know these are questions we may never have answers too, but it makes no sense to me that Elaine, Cory and Marked didn't meet up right away. :banghead::banghead:

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Many threads ago, we discussed who received the results of polygraphs. At that time, I posted a police department statement (maybe Cleveland?, I can't find it now) stating that the person taking the test always receives the results. I just checked the official position of the American Polygraph Association, and they too confirm that the results are given to the examinee. The only place I found where the results weren't shared as freely/quickly was the NSA, which uses polygraphs for its employees. Ultimately, the examinee does receive the results, but the Agency puts the test through some kind of quality control process first, so their is a lag in receipt.

How long is the lag time for when the LE agency is required to release the test results? Is this a Federal law or does it vary by state? Is it a long enough period of time for LE to use deception techniques on polygraph subjects?

 

[Deleted member 39678]

just jumping off your post...

Dylan went missing the Monday before Thanksgiving

Elaine spoke with ABC the Monday after Thanksgiving

Elaine and Cory, I believe, spoke to media during that initial week (why wasn't Mark with them)?

Mark would/could not answer his cell or home phone (there was an early article that said both rang but no answer) for the media (not sure when he came to door with pillow). I think he said he was waiting for family to come from out of town (his brother). Wonder why his brother didn't speak for Mark?

It is my understanding also that Mark was not answering calls/texts from Cory or Elaine either that first week.

I believe Mark texted Elaine to tell her Dylan was missing. :what:

I wonder why Mark and Elaine didn't meet the minute she arrived in the Bayfield area? I mean LE was treating Dylan as a runaway; I don't think that would mean that they were questioning Mark for hours on end. Did he just report him missing then go and stay locked in his house?

I know these are questions we may never have answers too, but it makes no sense to me that Elaine, Cory and Marked didn't meet up right away. :banghead::banghead:

BBM
Why wouldn't LE be questioning Mark for hours on end from the very beginning? That's when LE should be doing it not days later, regardless of any claims of innocence that Mark may have claimed. Do we know when and for how long any LE interviews with Mark have been? MOO.

 

[mck16]

just jumping off your post...

Dylan went missing the Monday before Thanksgiving

Elaine spoke with ABC the Monday after Thanksgiving

Elaine and Cory, I believe, spoke to media during that initial week (why wasn't Mark with them)?

Mark would/could not answer his cell or home phone (there was an early article that said both rang but no answer) for the media (not sure when he came to door with pillow). I think he said he was waiting for family to come from out of town (his brother). Wonder why his brother didn't speak for Mark?

It is my understanding also that Mark was not answering calls/texts from Cory or Elaine either that first week.

I believe Mark texted Elaine to tell her Dylan was missing. :what:

I wonder why Mark and Elaine didn't meet the minute she arrived in the Bayfield area? I mean LE was treating Dylan as a runaway; I don't think that would mean that they were questioning Mark for hours on end. Did he just report him missing then go and stay locked in his house?

I know these are questions we may never have answers too, but it makes no sense to me that Elaine, Cory and Marked didn't meet up right away. :banghead::banghead:

Tell me if I am crazy but seems I remember way back at the beginning that MR (I think) said in an interview that they had all met. Seems they were all together at someplace and they discussed what was going on. Did I just dream that or wish it? jmo

 

[cluciano63]

We have only been told of one in-depth interview. Whether MR has since obtained a lawyer seems to be uncertain, although at least one news source said that he did.

 

[Tonto]

But since that time, which was a while ago, his son has asked that he agree to take a new poly. I wonder why he is not agreeing to do so.

Because he doesn't have to. He is cooperating with LE and is on advice of counsel. It isn't his duty to continually implore his innocence to someone who clearly doesn't believe him. It is CR's problem if he doesn't believe MR - not the other way around.

I hope Mark calls his attorney tomorrow and receives some names/phone numbers of mediators he can contact. Hopefully, the meeting with the mediator, Mark and Elaine can happen within the next week or so.

His attorney will probably advise him not to do this, and rightfully so for many other reasons than any potential implications or insinuations of guilt. Elaine isn't entitled to prod him for any more information than he's already disclosed to LE, to her, and to the public. She is entitled to not believe it, but that's it.

 

[mijamawi]

We have only been told of one in-depth interview. Whether MR has since obtained a lawyer seems to be uncertain, although at least one news source said that he did.

Well I would assume that first in-depth interview was pretty in-depth. Everyone was there except the CIA. He answered their in-depth questions without a lawyer present.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

We have only been told of one in-depth interview. Whether MR has since obtained a lawyer seems to be uncertain, although at least one news source said that he did.

I think your responding to my question about LE interviews. What does an "in-depth" interview mean? An interview that lasts a certain amount of time?

LE can interview a person after they retain an attorney. The subject can waive their rights to have an attorney present or LE can interview the subject with the attorney present. MOO.

 

[FruitTingles]

“We cannot show all our cards, so to speak, he said. “If were to keep the public informed, we also would be keeping potential suspects informed.”

Bender said he knows this is frustrating for the public, and he admitted the case has been dificult for law enforcement as well.

http://www.pinerivertimes.com/

BBM.
This gave me the heebie jeebies.

 

[NC Analyzer]

Because he doesn't have to. He is cooperating with LE and is on advice of counsel. It isn't his duty to continually implore his innocence to someone who clearly doesn't believe him. It is CR's problem if he doesn't believe MR - not the other way around.

True enough. But then he shouldn't be surprised, offended, or upset about their opinion of him...nor should he be upset about the public's perception of his involvement. As most of us continue to point out, he only has himself to blame. If he is ok with all of this, fine. But he obviously isn't because he said so.

JMO and MOO

 

[katydid23]

Because he doesn't have to. He is cooperating with LE and is on advice of counsel. It isn't his duty to continually implore his innocence to someone who clearly doesn't believe him. It is CR's problem if he doesn't believe MR - not the other way around.




His attorney will probably advise him not to do this, and rightfully so for many other reasons than any potential implications or insinuations of guilt. Elaine isn't entitled to prod him for any more information than he's already disclosed to LE, to her, and to the public. She is entitled to not believe it, but that's it.

YES, it IS his duty, as a father, to get himself cleared immediately, so LE can turn to other suspects. If he is innocent, then he should be able to pass the lie detector test successfully. The fact that he is afraid to retake it is very telling and suspicious, imo.

Finding Dylan should be his number one priority. He keeps saying that he wants t leave it up to LE to do their job. If so, he should agree to retake the poly, so they can move on from him. JMO

 

[DylansMom34]

I wish Mark would advocate for Dylan even partially as much as he does for himself MOO

 

[Dee10]

Investigators concluded their search of the home of Mark Redwine, father of 13-year-old Dylan Redwine, Thursday night after serving a search warrant in the morning.

Mark Redwine also agreed to give an official interview to the task force for the case — comprised of agents from the La Plata County Sheriff’s Office, Durango Police Department, Bayfield Marshals Office, FBI and Colorado Bureau of Investigation — after investigators asked if he would be willing to do an in-depth interview, said Lt. Ray Shupe, spokesman for the task force.

Redwine has given several cursory interviews in the past, but this was the first in-depth interview he has given, Shupe said. No attorney was present for the interview, and Shupe said Redwine has not retained an attorney.

Redwine has been cooperating with authorities and has not been named a suspect or a person of interest, Shupe said. http://www.cortezjournal.com/article/20121130/NEWS01/121139955/Redwine-gives-official-interview

 

[Tonto]

True enough. But then he shouldn't be surprised, offended, or upset about their opinion of him...nor should he be upset about the public's perception of his involvement.

'Surprised, offended, or upset' at folks who don't believe his story due to their speculation and innuendo, and despite any shred of evidence to the contrary? Yeah, I would be surprised, offended, and upset at this lack of intellectual honesty on their parts as well.

As most of us continue to point out, he only has himself to blame. If he is ok with all of this, fine. But he obviously isn't because he said so.

JMO and MOO

Yep. He only has himself to blame that he's told his side of the story to the appropriate folks multiple times, there is no evidence to the contrary, and folks still irrationally hone in on him like a moth to a porch light. Such a horrible person for not indulging the witch hunt.