CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #29

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  • #681
I have never seen it mentioned anywhere that Mark checked the lake for Dylan .

No it certainly hasn't been mentioned. I'm not saying it happened. I'm saying I agree that it would be plausible for him to check the lake area for Dylan since it seems (from his comments to MSM) that he apparently thought Dylan might have gone there.

I agree. I'm just saying we don't know for a fact he did not do a drive-by of the lake that afternoon when he didn't find Dylan at home.

^^ & all of the above is of course based on assuming MR is telling the truth. Which we don't know if he is or is not.
 
  • #682
I've watched (and listened to) this uncut MR video over and over again:
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vi...lks-about-son-s-disappearance/1d0dri49j?from=

There are unlimited ideosyncrasies to point out, but for starters:
I lost count of the number of times MR says the word "focus".Another biggie imo is how he keeps coming back to how important DR's friends are to him, even when he is NOT asked. It gives the impression that it is something foremost in his mind and is key to the reason DR went missing (ie a fight over "you only want to be with your friends and not your father".) Towards the end he talks about the last time DR came to visit, and goes into a nonsensical account (again not asked for) of the flight DR took and how he and ER disagreed about it.
Also, try turning the sound off, and just watching his nonverbal communication.

:welcome:
:wagon:

Your nickname here is fun! And the avatar is perfect! :rocker:
 
  • #683
I wonder what the next move will be for the family as they have finally got the ball rolling again and they need to maintain that momentum but the question is how ?!
 
  • #684
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What alarms in this is the fake attempt to cry . I have never seen a real person is about to generally break down and sob pull it back in which he does remarkably within a blink of a eye .


Nobody can switch off there emotions like that !

Yep, and I keep coming back to how many times he talks about how important DR's friends are to him - like he just wants to make sure everyone knows they could not have possibly fought about that.. At one point, MR says, "His friends are important..and I know they are important to me", freudian slip?? Even when he talks about how they possibly had plans to go bowling, he adds, "not with just me", but how they would also invite DR's friends. Why keep bringing it up?
I don't know how much you all believe in non-verbal lying clues, but it seems like whenever MR is talking about mundane things, he looks off to the left - -but when he talks about investigational issues, he looks up to the right. Supposedly, a person will look up to the right when lying, if they are right-handed.
 
  • #686
IDK, if Dylan was reluctant to spend time alone with MR & wanting to run off with friends for the week, maybe Mark found that spending time with Dylan & inviting Dylan's friends along as well made it more fun for Dylan and possibly less awkward between MR & Dylan. (I don't know how comfortable their relationship was, if they had a lot to talk about, etc.).

I would be fascinated to know what Dylan's friends think of MR. Not only have they probably spent time around MR (they can't drive themselves yet so they have probably at least been on car rides with him before). Also, teenagers tend to vent to their friends whenever a parent is ticking them off. Maybe Dylan has let loose about any strange or maddening behavior from MR.
 
  • #687
While I definitely see other possible scenarios, I can't help but believe MR is very involved in DR's disappearance because:

1) Language:

a) distancing - when he referred to him as "that boy"
b) past tense, very early on - ...he was a wonderful boy...he meant
everything to me
c) criticizes him - his priority was his friends (IMO almost blaming
DR for his own disappearance), which perps will do to justify
d) Within deception is often an element of truth, with the more
incriminating part of the story omitted: "I have no involvement in
where Dylan is at" I believe that could be true, so if he had
DR stashed somewhere, or disposed of, someone else may have
taken care of that part

2) Other issues and circumstances:

a) no communication from a 13 yr old avid texter after no later than
930 Sunday night and friends never hear from him next day
b) no pure scent of DR at MR's house, suggesting he may have
not made it there at all
c) Dad so adamant that he must have gone fishing and then
cadaver dogs hitting on his scent at the lake

3) LE has some or a lot of evidence that they are not giving up, and
yet they say they have cleared all of the known sex offenders
and they have not warned families in the area of a dangerous
kidnapper or perp, which tells me they believe Dylan met with
foul play at hands of someone he knew, either premeditated or by
accident, who is not an immediate threat to others..It was
personal. :jail:

It is my belief that 1) Dad either arranged a kidnapping, withhelp
and DR is held captive, or that something went wrong
with the plan and he is no longer with us, or that 2)Dad lost his
temper because of something said or done and it went too far and
maybe he had help with the disposal so that he could honestly
say "I have no involvement with where Dylan is at". What I have
seen in some of these cases is (not always but usually) an
innocent parent tends to use more direct statements about their
involvement with their child's disappearance, and a guilty parent
tends to use more vague statements, such as the one above.

Of course, all of this is my opinion and speculation only.
 
  • #688
http://www.durangoherald.com/article/20121215/NEWS01/121219687

The above link near the bottom left side of page details the few text messages between Dylan and his friend Ryan that Sunday night, i found this article to be interesting describing Dylan from both Parents it's titled A boy's life !!

Thank you :)


A few quotes i have picked out

R said he would have expected Dylan to text him Monday morning if he overslept or at least to say when he was headed down to Bayfield.

They went fishing together, but Dylan would quickly become bored and start skipping rocks or swimming in the lake instead. He wouldn’t just grab a fishing pole and head to the lake by himself, his mother said.
 
  • #689
I have no idea what questions ER and CR want answered, but there are a few I'd love to have answers to. For instance:

1. What was Dylan's mood when he went to bed Sunday night?
2. Was the door locked when he got home Monday?
3. Was the cereal bowl wet, damp or dry when he first saw it?
4. Has DR ever walked to the market (or whatever it's called down the road) on other visits?
5. Did he tell anyone the results of his LDT, or that he'd been asked to take a second one? If so, who?

I have wondered about #2 myself.
 
  • #690
Yep, and I keep coming back to how many times he talks about how important DR's friends are to him - like he just wants to make sure everyone knows they could not have possibly fought about that.. At one point, MR says, "His friends are important..and I know they are important to me", freudian slip?? Even when he talks about how they possibly had plans to go bowling, he adds, "not with just me", but how they would also invite DR's friends. Why keep bringing it up?
I don't know how much you all believe in non-verbal lying clues, but it seems like whenever MR is talking about mundane things, he looks off to the left - -but when he talks about investigational issues, he looks up to the right. Supposedly, a person will look up to the right when lying, if they are right-handed.

Yes, what I have heard is you look to the left when remembering from true and real experience, and reflecting on the past, but you look to the right when you are talking or thinking about something new that you have not experienced, which would also be if you were making up something.
 
  • #691
Notice the person's eye movements. You can usually tell if a person is remembering something or making something up based on eye movements. When people remember details, their eyes move to the left if they are right-handed. When right-handed people make something up, their eyes move to the right. The reverse is true of left-handed people. People also tend to blink more rapidly ("eye flutter") as they're telling a lie. More common in men than in women, another tell of a lie can be rubbing the eyes.[1]
Watch the eyelids. These tend to close longer than the usual blink when a person sees or hears something he or she doesn't agree with.[2] However, this can be a very minute change, so you will need to know how the person blinks normally during a non-stressful situation for accurate comparison. If the hands or fingers also go to the eyes, this may be another indicator of trying to "block out" the truth.[2]4Do not use eye contact or lack of it as a sole indicator of truthfulness. Contrary to popular belief, a liar does not always avoid eye contact.[1] Humans naturally break eye contact and look at non-moving objects to help them focus and remember. Liars may deliberately make eye contact to seem more sincere; this can be practiced to overcome any discomfort, as a way of "proving" that truth is being told. Indeed, it has been shown that some liars tend to increase the level of eye contact in response to the fact that investigators have often considered eye contact as a tell.[2] Clearly, only use eye aversion as one indicator in a general context of increasing distress when being asked difficult questions.[2]

from - http://www.wikihow.com/Detect-Lies not a great source but what i could do on the fly.

FWIW - If my memory is serving correct and I can't say it is, MR is a lefty.
 
  • #692
Notice the person's eye movements. You can usually tell if a person is remembering something or making something up based on eye movements. When people remember details, their eyes move to the left if they are right-handed. When right-handed people make something up, their eyes move to the right. The reverse is true of left-handed people. People also tend to blink more rapidly ("eye flutter") as they're telling a lie. More common in men than in women, another tell of a lie can be rubbing the eyes.[1]
Watch the eyelids. These tend to close longer than the usual blink when a person sees or hears something he or she doesn't agree with.[2] However, this can be a very minute change, so you will need to know how the person blinks normally during a non-stressful situation for accurate comparison. If the hands or fingers also go to the eyes, this may be another indicator of trying to "block out" the truth.[2]4Do not use eye contact or lack of it as a sole indicator of truthfulness. Contrary to popular belief, a liar does not always avoid eye contact.[1] Humans naturally break eye contact and look at non-moving objects to help them focus and remember. Liars may deliberately make eye contact to seem more sincere; this can be practiced to overcome any discomfort, as a way of "proving" that truth is being told. Indeed, it has been shown that some liars tend to increase the level of eye contact in response to the fact that investigators have often considered eye contact as a tell.[2] Clearly, only use eye aversion as one indicator in a general context of increasing distress when being asked difficult questions.[2]

from - http://www.wikihow.com/Detect-Lies not a great source but what i could do on the fly.

FWIW - If my memory is serving correct and I can't say it is, MR is a lefty.

I wonder about people who are ambidextrous?
 
  • #693
Notice the person's eye movements. You can usually tell if a person is remembering something or making something up based on eye movements. When people remember details, their eyes move to the left if they are right-handed. When right-handed people make something up, their eyes move to the right. The reverse is true of left-handed people. People also tend to blink more rapidly ("eye flutter") as they're telling a lie. More common in men than in women, another tell of a lie can be rubbing the eyes.[1]
Watch the eyelids. These tend to close longer than the usual blink when a person sees or hears something he or she doesn't agree with.[2] However, this can be a very minute change, so you will need to know how the person blinks normally during a non-stressful situation for accurate comparison. If the hands or fingers also go to the eyes, this may be another indicator of trying to "block out" the truth.[2]4Do not use eye contact or lack of it as a sole indicator of truthfulness. Contrary to popular belief, a liar does not always avoid eye contact.[1] Humans naturally break eye contact and look at non-moving objects to help them focus and remember. Liars may deliberately make eye contact to seem more sincere; this can be practiced to overcome any discomfort, as a way of "proving" that truth is being told. Indeed, it has been shown that some liars tend to increase the level of eye contact in response to the fact that investigators have often considered eye contact as a tell.[2] Clearly, only use eye aversion as one indicator in a general context of increasing distress when being asked difficult questions.[2]

from - http://www.wikihow.com/Detect-Lies not a great source but what i could do on the fly.

FWIW - If my memory is serving correct and I can't say it is, MR is a lefty.

Very interesting! Thanks.
 
  • #694
FWIW - I had also read something (in regards to eye movement) that it did not depend on whether a person was left or right handed. It was eyes moved towards the right because that is the creative side of the brain.
 
  • #695
I wonder about people who are ambidextrous?

LOL I wonder that as well, I'm a lefty but do pretty much everything except eat & write with my right hand. The downfall to being raised in a right-handed world. I guess if I lied my eyes would roll up or in circles. :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:
 
  • #696
I've watched (and listened to) this uncut MR video over and over again:
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vi...lks-about-son-s-disappearance/1d0dri49j?from=

There are unlimited ideosyncrasies to point out, but for starters:
I lost count of the number of times MR says the word "focus".Another biggie imo is how he keeps coming back to how important DR's friends are to him, even when he is NOT asked. It gives the impression that it is something foremost in his mind and is key to the reason DR went missing (ie a fight over "you only want to be with your friends and not your father".) Towards the end he talks about the last time DR came to visit, and goes into a nonsensical account (again not asked for) of the flight DR took and how he and ER disagreed about it.
Also, try turning the sound off, and just watching his nonverbal communication.

Just watched the video and noted that he looked up toward the left a lot of times and he continuously shook his head "No" while talking about the events of the evening. His monotone non-emotional voice reminds me of Jodi Arias' interviews with LE. He attempted to sound and look like he was fighting back tears but it did not come off as real emotion. I noticed that he did state twice that "Dylan had friends who loved him and planned on seeing them while he was there." He also stated that he didn't expect Dylan to be around him the entire time he was there.

I think that there was an altercation over Dylan's plans on immediately visiting his friends.
 
  • #697
LOL I wonder that as well, I'm a lefty but do pretty much everything except eat & write with my right hand. The downfall to being raised in a right-handed world. I guess if I lied my eyes would roll up or in circles. :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

I'm a lefty also......my mom would never let me iron; it drove her crazy!!

Perhaps we look like this...

:crazy::crazy::crazy:
 
  • #698
There is a show that used to be on called Lie to me!
Its very informative on eye movement facial expressions etc etc.
I think its on netflix now.

LE would hire these ppl.
 
  • #699
Yikes, watch the uncut video again, once with sound, once without. Taking our expert knowledge in body language, speech patterns and eye movements that we all just gained today and it's pretty dang scary!
Especially the topics inn which MR is really really shaking his head no.

Ok, enough school for me for today, gotta get back to work.
 
  • #700
Just watched the video and noted that he looked up toward the left a lot of times and he continuously shook his head "No" while talking about the events of the evening. His monotone non-emotional voice reminds me of Jodi Arias' interviews with LE. He attempted to sound and look like he was fighting back tears but it did not come off as real emotion. I noticed that he did state twice that "Dylan had friends who loved him and planned on seeing them while he was there." He also stated that he didn't expect Dylan to be around him the entire time he was there.

I think that there was an altercation over Dylan's plans on immediately visiting his friends.

Exactly what I keep coming back to as the reason for the disappearance of the cell phone (maybe if we get rid of that thing you'll pay some attention to ol dad) and also of Dylan. It hurts to believe it, I don't want to believe it, but I do.
 
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