CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #29

[SCHMAE]

I think we all should go back to the beginning. Gather the facts and go forward. I believe so much has been misconstrued from mixed up posts not really dealing in facts. So much has been misreported and elicited posts not based on facts but misinterpretation.

We have all asked for MR to give us an interview and now that we have it the predicted tearing it apart has happened. Analyzing his very words. No wonder he has not done it before and I doubt he will do it again. I can't help but feel both these parents are in pain and I don't think constant berating of MR is helping the situation. I have no idea what happened to Dylan but I know that until and when ever these people are left to their own feelings and honestly know that they are free to talk to grieve to do whatever without every word being torn apart, analyzed and put our own personal interpretation they cannot find any peace or solace. I really think they just need to be left alone. I don't see anything we are doing is helping this situation. It has truly turned into a place where we just argue. I for one am tired of coming here and seeing nothing but negative posts. But what else have we got. However, this is not about me it is about a family who has lost their child and it just breaks my heart that we, I, cannot help them. jmo

Agreed. What if LE came out today and said due to evidence testing, LDT results they are eliminating everyone in the family as having NOTHING to do with Dylan's disappearance ? What if they did ? I , for one, would be super relieved. I hope LE already is on the right track. So what would we look at then? I've got an idea but am not sure how to go about it. Are all crimes by adults public record? I'm thinking about unknown SO's. Maybe they've gotten charged with a XXX and plead out , first time offender style, and their lesser charge is YYY. So now when you see their history it doesn't look like a sex crime. I'm wondering if there's anyway to tell the difference. I hope I'm making sense. Just thinking supposing there is a person in the area or near who's got no sexual criminal history but those handling his case/s know he's a RSO in the making but they haven't been able to catch him with hard facts yet. Most SO's have dozens of victims before being caught and when their victims are male , the numbers almost double. So there could easily be a Jerry Sandusky style person working in the area that no one is aware is monster yet. But possibly some LE and DA's personnel have already seen him go through the system but had to plead him down to something more like simple assault because of evidence . I guess when you look at any cases , you would not know that unless you saw the actual files the DA had.
Morning rambling, sorry .

But I do think for a day or two we might all benefit and even come up with new theories if we just pretend LE came out and cleared everyone in the family !

 

[SCHMAE]

I do agree...everyone is different. I guess I look to Ed Smart often, as someone who persisted, despite all of the suspicion and even hideous comments about his religion, etc...he knew he was innocent and forged ahead for Elizabeth, somehow tuning out everything else and taking every opportunity to be on camera. Also the father of Brianna Rodriguez, who admitted on TV that he failed a LD test, but that since he knew he did not murder her, he didn't care who knew it or what they thought about him. He too persisted, and was he innocent. And Amber DuBois' stepdad...he went through as many as eight LD tests and lived under suspicion until JG confessed, but he did not shy away. There are examples of how innocent parents have dealt with the issue, in different ways, but as persistent as possible, as ER seems to be doing, even if she is focused on MR. I think that may be for reasons of her sanity, personally. If she convinces herself MR is guilty, then she convinces herself Dylan could be alive.

Agreed, the BEST case scenario from a mom's view is that dad's got him hidden away because then he will come home some day. To think he's been taken by a stranger and still not shown up means he is essentially gone for good .

 

[asyousay]

Do you live in mountains with lousy cell reception? If you do, you probably should have already noticed how fast phone batteries run down when they're left on. He used the phone before leaving CS, probably during the layover in Denver, and started again when he got to Durango. He was texting from the airport, from Walmart, and possibly from McDonald's. He would be txting off and on on the way back to the house, and the phone would be sending out pings quite often looking for a signal in that area, By the time they got home, I'd say he'd either have to charge the battery or the battery would be dead shortly after getting there. My guess is that he turned it off and charged it, but maybe switched to using the ipod instead until he was ready to sleep. Or, maybe he switched to the ipod so there'd be no bill going to mom showing who he was talking to.

I believe CR has said he thinks that MR has done something with him, but that he doesn't believe he'd hurt him. I could of course be wrong, and I'm sure you'll let me know. I should never try posting after taking my night meds, I guess.

My location states "London , uk" so not many mountains here I am afraid . His phone has no Internet connection and was a old phone and all of them can go on for hours and hours without a change as there is nothing to drain the battery on them . Unlike smart phones which need charging one a day .

So I have no reason to believe that phone would of died because of a low battery . He was not exactly in the mountains very long on the journey home either . He had been in town less then 3 hours before it went dead .

 

[SCHMAE]

Why would anyone expect to see him after leaving McDonald's? His ex-wife (ER) and his son (CR) have both said they don't believe he hurt him and that they know he loves him; his other ex-wife admits that she hasn't even seen him in many years. I'm known for being a motor-mouth (no surprise there, I'm sure!), and that I practically live on the telephone - which is sometimes true. In spite of that, I sometimes go for days without talking to anyone on the phone, don't always remember to return calls, and stop talking at some point every night.

One evening, my brother tried to call me using my secondary number, which I had forwarded to my son's number at one point and I forgot to switch it back. He got his voice mail and just left a quick message. He tried calling my other number and got my voice mail, so he called my sister to see if she knew where I was (my social life is pretty pathetic, I'm almost always home). My sister called a couple of other relatives I talk to a lot and a friend or two, and everybody called me off and on. I had been at a meeting which lasted for about 2 hours, and came home to find about 15 panicking calls on my voice mail, and several people ready to call 911.

My point is that even if he had quit texting early and went to sleep, got up about 10 or so, ate a bowl of cereal and watched some tv while waiting for MR to get back, nobody would have considered it at all suspicious IF he had still been there when MR returned (MOO). If that's true, then none of those things by themselves, or even combined, necessarily mean MR did anything. Just like me not answering my phone, accidentally forwarding my one number to another place, and "disappearing" without telling anyone where I was going (I was gone about 2 1/2 hours including driving time) were just coincidences, but might have looked suspicious if I never returned home. MOO

This BBM has struck me funny. It's so simple, yet true. At some point every night, we all stop communicating and go to sleep. And truly 9:37 is a very reasonable time for that to happen ! Genius Confusion. Thank you !
Dylan Redwine may have fallen asleep with a full tummy at 9:39 pm on Sunday night.

 

[fedfan4life]

OK, then why did he not text his friend back in the morning after he awoke?

 

[masootz]

This is from Cory just this Saturday




So yes Cory does think Mark has played a part here. Unless you have something that came after Saturday from Cory?


Elaine has stated that she thinks Mark may of harmed Dylan.


Also about the phone being switched off as not odd. Of course it is. He is a typical teenager who used his phone all the time " avid texter" . He was away from home and there is absolutely no reason why he would of switched it off when he was texing Ryan and then never switched it back on. It was not typical behavior. :cow:

has le or anything in msm said specifically that his phone was turned off or went dead? i asked this upthread and didn't get an answer. there's a big difference between not texting and turning your phone off. i would assume the cell phone records would show if the phone was pinging a tower occasionally overnight unless le has said the phone was off. any links are appreciated.

 

[DylansMom34]

I hope the reporter gets some answers from LE during this interview (wishful thinking). Especially:

What was the electronic communication at 9:37 p.m.?
Is 9:37 when the official timeline really ends (do they believe Dylan made it to MR's house)?

And from Mark, I'd like to know:

What happened to Dylan's phone on Sunday night?
What happened after McDonald's on Sunday night?
Did Dylan have access to any other electronic devices Sunday or Monday and were those devices used by Dylan?
When you returned home on Monday, were you alarmed by the television being left on and Dylan not being there?
How and when did you contact Law Enforcement about Dylan?

 

[SCHMAE]

has le or anything in msm said specifically that his phone was turned off or went dead? i asked this upthread and didn't get an answer. there's a big difference between not texting and turning your phone off. i would assume the cell phone records would show if the phone was pinging a tower occasionally overnight unless le has said the phone was off. any links are appreciated.

As far as I can gather , no one knows why the phone went silent. We've pondered battery life, smashing, dropping in water, malfunction, etc.

 

[Ronald99]

has le or anything in msm said specifically that his phone was turned off or went dead? i asked this upthread and didn't get an answer. there's a big difference between not texting and turning your phone off. i would assume the cell phone records would show if the phone was pinging a tower occasionally overnight unless le has said the phone was off. any links are appreciated.

Even if you turn your phone off, as long as the battery is not dead, it will still communicate with the tower, That's the reason a person is able to power their cell back on and there's messages or voicemails waiting, the cell and closest tower keep in contact.

Law Enforcement has the ability to listen to conversations thru people's turned off or on cell phones, they claim if you want to make sure no one is listening, remove the battery, This can be quickly researched on the net,

Once Dylan's cell quit pinging with the tower, and never connected again strongly suggest the phone was without a battery, the battery is compleately drained and never was recharged, or the cell was destroyed. If Dylan's cell battery died and he plugged it it once home, then as soon as it connected with the tower it would have pinged, that's never happened.

 

[SCHMAE]

Even if you turn your phone off, as long as the battery is not dead, it will still communicate with the tower, That's the reason a person is able to power their cell back on and there's messages or voicemails waiting, the cell and closest tower keep in contact.

Law Enforcement has the ability to listen to conversations thru people's turned off or on cell phones, they claim if you want to make sure no one is listening, remove the battery, This can be quickly researched on the net,

Once Dylan's cell quit pinging with the tower, and never connected again strongly suggest the phone was without a battery, the battery is compleately drained and never was recharged, or the cell was destroyed. If Dylan's cell battery died and he plugged it it once home, then as soon as it connected with the tower it would have pinged, that's never happened.

Ronald do you know if they find the phone and put a new battery in it , would any ' on hold ' messages or texts go to it ? My thinking is not but I dont know. Someone may have chucked phone one direction, battery the other. Is the communication lost forever ?

 

[SCHMAE]

OK, then why did he not text his friend back in the morning after he awoke?

Sadly we don't know the answer to that or I don't at least. He might have been unable to physically or the phone might still have been disabled , battery dead etc. Wish we know what form that last communication was and why he could not have used THAT in the morning IF his phone was disabled.

 

[i8mypaint]

Did Scott Peterson ever go on NG ??? Can't remember...

I watched the laci Peterson movie last night. I found it oddly similar (but not exactly) that he wouldn't give interviews spoke of her in the past tense...

 

[TxLady2]

I think we all should go back to the beginning. Gather the facts and go forward. I believe so much has been misconstrued from mixed up posts not really dealing in facts. So much has been misreported and elicited posts not based on facts but misinterpretation.

We have all asked for MR to give us an interview and now that we have it the predicted tearing it apart has happened. Analyzing his very words. No wonder he has not done it before and I doubt he will do it again. I can't help but feel both these parents are in pain and I don't think constant berating of MR is helping the situation. I have no idea what happened to Dylan but I know that until and when ever these people are left to their own feelings and honestly know that they are free to talk to grieve to do whatever without every word being torn apart, analyzed and put our own personal interpretation they cannot find any peace or solace. I really think they just need to be left alone. I don't see anything we are doing is helping this situation. It has truly turned into a place where we just argue. I for one am tired of coming here and seeing nothing but negative posts. But what else have we got. However, this is not about me it is about a family who has lost their child and it just breaks my heart that we, I, cannot help them. jmo

Well said!!

Nobody can help them unless we put aside the bias and the criticism and just start trying to figure out where Dylan is, and what happened to him. If there ever was a time for these two parents to sit down together and TALK rather than accuse, it is NOW. But they will never be able to do that if the media and the public keeps emphasizing their differences. Both of them could be reading here every day, and it is not encouraging them at all to keep saying the same things over and over, talking about their distrust of each other, their difficulty communicating and how perfect one is acting and speaking, versus the other one being wrong in everything they say or do.

I feel sorry for both of them, I really do. But it's my personal opinion that she is not hurting much worse than he is. Dyan is his son, too. He doesn't know what happened, IMO, and on top of that he has to bear the pain of being accused of hurting him. I cannot imagine a worst nightmare for a parent.

 

[SCHMAE]

Honestly and this might sound stupid but I wish someone like Dr Phil would reach out to them and get them to do a sit down OFF camera.

 

[TxLady2]

I'm not trying to make MR out to be a victim, but I have a feeling this is going to come out sounding like I am. If I think it will before I even get it in writing, I can imagine how other people will see it. I'll still try.

I keep wondering how different things would be with MR if they hadn't started out the way they did. One of the first things that people started seeing as damning was the fact that ER said that DR would have called/texted somebody if he was okay and that he was "tech savvy" and texted a lot. In spite of that, she didn't seem concerned that she hadn't heard from him for almost an hour and a half after landing, although she sounded (to me) like she had expected him to let her know his father had been there and picked him up okay. She also said that he would usually text her to let her know where he was spending the night, or at least text in the morning, but she didn't seem concerned about him not doing that until that afternoon when MR sent the text asking if she'd heard from him. RN also didn't seem to think it was strange for DR to take 15-30 minutes to respond, or to not respond at all. It wasn't until MR went there looking for him that RN realized there was a problem.

The next thing was when she accused him of "doing something" because if he couldn't have him, nobody would. I think that's a pretty strong statement for most people to just ignore. Since that time, almost every time he's been "interviewed", the questions seem to be how he feels about what was said about him, why it might have been said, if it was true (about what was said on NG), or some variation on one or more questions. Nobody seems to ask a lot about DR when talking to him, and he keeps saying to forget about him and focus on Dylan.

I'm not saying that the public's feelings about him are her fault, but I am wondering how different they might be if her initial reaction had been different (at least in public.) Obviously MOO, since I doubt it's anyone else's opinion. :blushing:

Good points. Maybe a few of us do come across as defending him, but so be it.

Yes, he has stated several times that he wants the focus to be on Dylan, yet he is being asked why his ex wife accused him, and how he feels about it. Maybe he shouldn't respond to those questions at all. Maybe he should just tell the reporter he would rather talk about something else, namely his missing son. I fault the media for that, it seems that they are focusing mostly on the drama surrounding the case, rather than where Dylan is or what happened to him.

As to not making a public plea to Dylan, it's probably difficult for him to talk to him on camera, like most think he should have. I've said before, my husband would be extremely hard to interview on camera. I cannot imagine him "talking" to a missing child, he just wouldn't do it. For a year after his son passed away, he would not talk about his feelings. He shut down completely. He still can't talk about it much, and it's been 20 years.

I agree, I think this whole thing got off to a bad start when ER made the statement she did in public. If you want someone's cooperation and answers to the questions you have, it's not a good idea to accuse them of something right off the bat, especially to the whole world. That would put anybody on the defensive from the start. I'm not saying she didn't have the right to be suspicious of him and voice her concerns, just saying that it wasn't the best approach towards getting any kind of answers.

 

[asyousay]

Sadly we don't know the answer to that or I don't at least. He might have been unable to physically or the phone might still have been disabled , battery dead etc. Wish we know what form that last communication was and why he could not have used THAT in the morning IF his phone was disabled.

He had his charger on him in his bag so he would of charged it unless it had broken and it begs the question of why did he not wait at home until Mark picked him up and they would of then of tried to have got it fixed as that was the way he communicated with his mum and family so there is no way he would of been left phone-less unless he had no choice in the matter .

 

[asyousay]

Even if i went back to the beginning and looked at the case again then it would still lead me to Mark . The lack of phone use via Dylan , the texts which point to Dylan being a eager beaver and yet randomly sleeping in .The taking his rucksack with him with 98% of his belongings as well .

 

[SCHMAE]

MR is the obvious choice. This is not so much based on ER's statements at all. In any missing person case OR homicide case for that matter ( which im not saying this is) the last person seen with them is the FIRST person police want to talk to. Add in a missing chunk in the story and you've got a really good looking suspicious person. That is a given ! But for some reason I keep getting the feeling that something is not adding up in this case. There is a 'missing link' that makes me think something truly bizarre and unimaginable has happened. Yes its unimaginable that your child would come up missing from your own home. But something is just not right. I do not know if it's MR and his story or if it's something even more bizarre than that. There is a weird element to it.

In fact I'd like to think I dont' even consider ER's statements about MR in how I feel about MR .
I think most of what she said is explainable because of her condition and shock and despair and
I don't know that she meant literally 100% of those words. It will be very interesting to see
her demeanor tomorrow vs. several weeks ago. She's had time to sit and think and sort and sift
all of her knowledge with the facts LE has given her.

 

[Tennlyn]

Even if i went back to the beginning and looked at the case again then it would still lead me to Mark . The lack of phone use via Dylan , the texts which point to Dylan being a eager beaver and yet randomly sleeping in .The taking his rucksack with him with 98% of his belongings as well .

I did go back just now and start rereading from Post 1 on Thread 1. There's some interesting stuff in there. :moo:

 

[DylansMom34]

I went back and re-read several pages of thread one, how frantic and worried we were for Dylan. IMO Things weren't adding up way back at the beginning and this was days before Elaine said anything about Mark. Again MOO